pholkhero
Deviant Mind
and, uh...does anyone else have thoughts on settling??
PH17: pholkhero and the Holy Grail
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I can;t decide whether red dot or with horsies in first ring. Was hoping one of the more experienced players would make the call. Horsies first ring seems the short term better city but weak long term.
We probably have to raze the insane city founded on GOLD so any cultural pressure will be short lived--hopefully.
We probably have to raze the insane city founded on GOLD so any cultural pressure will be short lived--hopefully.
Tough call, but I'd go for 1N of horses probably. Probably HC should indeed be first victim (soonish) and once his presence is gone it will be quite a decent city.
I'll play the rest of the turns tomorrow so feel free to comment. If no comments then 1N of horses it will be!
I'll play the rest of the turns tomorrow so feel free to comment. If no comments then 1N of horses it will be!
Continued the set.
2725 We are informed we're the least cultural guys out there. We also found Saint Petersburg 1N of the horses. Decide to start on a worker, as had been suggested. At least working the forested plains hill gives us a bonus hammer.
2700 Supposedly St Pete wants to join HC's empire but we're not in a mood to give anything away.
2625 The prudent archery is in, go pottery next.
2525 Moscow finishes barracks, archer next.
2425 Moscow archer -> archer. It's back to size 5 now so it could build a settler, but figure another archer won't hurt.
2400 Pottery in, stop here. Selected mysticism. Hinduism didn't spread to us yet, so we might want monuments.
Scouted a bit to the north, it looks like this:
Note to next player, 1S2E of the scout (in the NW of the picture) is a barb archer, try to avoid him. Close to the scouting warrior in the east is a barb warrior, so try to go through the forests.
I sent Moscow's worker over to St Pete and we have the horse pasture online since last turn. Moved the worker to the forest 1W of it and started chopping, due in 5 (after worker build finishes). Don't know what the hammers will be for, maybe a barracks if we want to spam some chariots.
After current archer build in Moscow (2 turns) I'd go for another settler, as it has no access to the horses yet. Maybe when the 2nd worker is online a road should be built between both cities, so Moscow can spam chariots as well, should we want to use them on HC. Otherwise I think we need sailing to connect through the northern river, and a road from Moscow to that river.
2725 We are informed we're the least cultural guys out there. We also found Saint Petersburg 1N of the horses. Decide to start on a worker, as had been suggested. At least working the forested plains hill gives us a bonus hammer.
2700 Supposedly St Pete wants to join HC's empire but we're not in a mood to give anything away.
2625 The prudent archery is in, go pottery next.
2525 Moscow finishes barracks, archer next.
2425 Moscow archer -> archer. It's back to size 5 now so it could build a settler, but figure another archer won't hurt.
2400 Pottery in, stop here. Selected mysticism. Hinduism didn't spread to us yet, so we might want monuments.
Scouted a bit to the north, it looks like this:
Note to next player, 1S2E of the scout (in the NW of the picture) is a barb archer, try to avoid him. Close to the scouting warrior in the east is a barb warrior, so try to go through the forests.
I sent Moscow's worker over to St Pete and we have the horse pasture online since last turn. Moved the worker to the forest 1W of it and started chopping, due in 5 (after worker build finishes). Don't know what the hammers will be for, maybe a barracks if we want to spam some chariots.
After current archer build in Moscow (2 turns) I'd go for another settler, as it has no access to the horses yet. Maybe when the 2nd worker is online a road should be built between both cities, so Moscow can spam chariots as well, should we want to use them on HC. Otherwise I think we need sailing to connect through the northern river, and a road from Moscow to that river.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
nice turns. i dont know about a chariot rush, but that's only b/c a)i've never done it, and b)this is Immortal. I would be up for trying it.
if not, i think we should build arches till Moscow reaches 6 & unhappiness, and whip a settler for 3 pop, thereby still getting us military AND another city.
i also see Kubey's new city over to our west as well. just from looking at the map, i would say the south is nicer territory than the north.
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if not, i think we should build arches till Moscow reaches 6 & unhappiness, and whip a settler for 3 pop, thereby still getting us military AND another city.
i also see Kubey's new city over to our west as well. just from looking at the map, i would say the south is nicer territory than the north.
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nocho >> just played
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talamane
Got it.
Chariot rush isn't really feasible here, if we want to rush elephants and catapults would be the best bet.
So how are we going to win this? Has anyone thought about that yet? We need to establish an end point and play towards that.
We can go peacuful and try for a space, cultural or religious (AP) win or go all hairy chested and try for conquest or domination. What do we think?
Chariot rush isn't really feasible here, if we want to rush elephants and catapults would be the best bet.
So how are we going to win this? Has anyone thought about that yet? We need to establish an end point and play towards that.
We can go peacuful and try for a space, cultural or religious (AP) win or go all hairy chested and try for conquest or domination. What do we think?
Since this is pholkhero's game, I suggest he look down at his chest and count the hair over there. If a lot then conq/dom, otherwise something more peaceful. Personally I'd prefer a more aggressive route (which does not necessarily correlate to my chest), or at least pound one AI out of the game (HC) before going more peacefully.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
despite the relative hairyness, i'd like to try a peace route, as the last few games i've played and am in are war-like.
might be nice to aim for space, though.
might be nice to aim for space, though.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
well, as 2 of you have voted for war, and i'm the lone peacenik, we can do warfare.
whatever makes us win...an immortal win is all i'm looking for.
whatever makes us win...an immortal win is all i'm looking for.
Warfare seems to be the best route for an immortal newbie like me, IMHO. The 3.19 AI runs espionage ruthlessly on a space race (Isabella is a trip if you're not her religion and she is a neighbor), less so on a cultural try. I would hate to see what DeGaulle or Stalin is like on immortal when it comes to spying.
BTW, I recently won my first C4 cultural victory using Pericles on a very tough map. It was only Prince, but the map made it more like Monarch. I am a bona fide Pericles freak now. Really like the traits and the UU is superb for early rushes. I snagged the Parthenon and had an inventory of GPs.
BTW, I recently won my first C4 cultural victory using Pericles on a very tough map. It was only Prince, but the map made it more like Monarch. I am a bona fide Pericles freak now. Really like the traits and the UU is superb for early rushes. I snagged the Parthenon and had an inventory of GPs.
I think space is a real option here, if we play well.
We're at the point where our paths will divurge for each victory type so I'll leave it to pholk to have the final say and we can take it from there.
We're at the point where our paths will divurge for each victory type so I'll leave it to pholk to have the final say and we can take it from there.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
i think since the consensus is warfare, bring on the smashy-smashy 
we'll leave an immortal space race for ph20
we'll leave an immortal space race for ph20
As consensus is smashy, I'd say we research Maths, Contruction then HBR. This gives us cats and phants, good for the first war, second hopefully supported by maces adn third cannons/grens maybe.
We need production cities for troops.
If we're happy with Maths as next up (do we have Writing even?) I'll play tomorrow.
We need production cities for troops.
If we're happy with Maths as next up (do we have Writing even?) I'll play tomorrow.
Cool, bring it on!
No, we don't even have writing yet, pottery just came in. But I'm fine with beelining to HBR and construction. I guess that means we'll bypass the typical aesthetics path? Should myst and IW be squeezed in somewhere? Maybe better to trade for those if possible, at least IW.
No, we don't even have writing yet, pottery just came in. But I'm fine with beelining to HBR and construction. I guess that means we'll bypass the typical aesthetics path? Should myst and IW be squeezed in somewhere? Maybe better to trade for those if possible, at least IW.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
yeah, idk about backfilling techs...maybe we don't really need swords if we've got phants and cats.
down south seems appropriate for production, iirc (it's been SO long since any turns
)
down south seems appropriate for production, iirc (it's been SO long since any turns
)
My civing computer has kaput itself (hard drive gone I think), I'm out until I can fix it up sorry.
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