Pharaoh

[mice]

My opinion, the contact with the last civ is not so crucial. We dont need it for domination, and he/she should be backward for trading if we go space.

It seems to me we are in a strong positon with a lot of good land. We just need to be calm and build our army and put in some infrastructure. If we can't afford two cities we shouldnt conquer more.

I'm a little worried about being annoyed with Cyrus. If he declares Cathy would dogpile.

Thebes, keep on military builds,that's easy.

Edit, no it was National Epic in Paris I think Sloberhotep agreed to it. - HE in your capital Metahu ?

 

[Cabledawg]

Razing Nibru gave us nothing that our culture wont soon take over anyway. We can settle it anytime we feel in a better position.

Nubian was razed to give breathing room to Lagesh. Besides not being able to afford it right now, it would be swamped by Gilly's culture on the left and Cathy's on the right.

We can still get to lib first I believe, but we must go Paper, Education, and Philo now. I allways like to get to universities as quick as possible. Usually, Once i get Civil Service, I beeline to liberalism and leave it for 1 turn completion and try to get cannons as the free tech, but in our case, Cyrus has paper and well be lucky to get nationalism as the free tech.

The people of Elephantine are rising up and calling for a new governor. (read....i would be willing to give up that city to a governor that doesnt have many cities)

 

[Arlborn]

Razing Nibru gave us nothing that our culture wont soon take over anyway. We can settle it anytime we feel in a better position.

Nubian was razed to give breathing room to Lagesh. Besides not being able to afford it right now, it would be swamped by Gilly's culture on the left and Cathy's on the right.

We can still get to lib first I believe, but we must go Paper, Education, and Philo now. I allways like to get to universities as quick as possible. Usually, Once i get Civil Service, I beeline to liberalism and leave it for 1 turn completion and try to get cannons as the free tech, but in our case, Cyrus has paper and well be lucky to get nationalism as the free tech.

The people of Elephantine are rising up and calling for a new governor. (read....i would be willing to give up that city to a governor that doesnt have many cities)

Nah. You don't need to.

By the way, next target, and when?

 

[Arlborn]

divine right is only 6 turns away! :s

Ah well, paper now then for Lib uh...

 

[r_rolo1]

Not sure about the razings..... but a victor is always a victor

We need to rebuild our army. Gilgamesh is no longer our friend and we need to have military security.... and we shoud ressettle th doubly razed phants site ( even the would justify that ).

My opinion is that we should prepare to retake war vs Gilgamesh and get the most out of it.....

About my city: this is where it stands now:

Spoiler :

This is the proposed MM:

Spoiler :

Let it grow to the cap and be free to whip it after. The queue is alright ATM

 

[Arlborn]

Answer fast is possible; Why are we on org, Religion when we could be on theocracy or free religion???

 

[mice]

Answer fast is possible; Why are we on org, Religion when we could be on theocracy or free religion???

Sure with no state religion we should be in Free

By the way Metahu Thah , if we go engineering next you could build Notre Dame in about 6 turns.
We have alot of cities so that's good population boost, especially if we are whipping.

Wen Amon , we have happiness from the ivory, it's in the culture border of your great city.

Metahu ,after the caravels could you build a spy in Thebes. I would like to send it up to look around Cyrus' land. We have no espionage points to work with , so it's just for a look.

 

[Arlborn]

Sure with no state religion we should be in Free

By the way Metahu Thah , if we go engineering next you could build Notre Dame in about 6 turns.
We have alot of cities so that's good population boost, especially if we are whipping.

Wen Amon , we have happiness from the ivory, it's in the culture border of your great city.

So, no beeline for Liberalism?

I am in turn 4, just finished paper, so please decide now. We can, we do need pikeman also you know. And maybe we are lucky and we still get Lib.

 

[pawelo]

Advisor pawelo will wait some more for his own city, though he hoped getting Lagash... Will be happy with Ur anyway if next general gives it to him.

Nice fast war cabledawg.

I vote free religion, if we don't go for stete religion not to upset Cathy.

 

[mice]

So, no beeline for Liberalism?

oh I forgot about that. The beeline is better. Ignore my ramblings.

 

[r_rolo1]

@ Mice

Ok, I overlooked that .... but we have the Great Lighthouse and the Collosus.... a city there would pay it self almost from the beginning. And we should get those gems as well....

P.S If we want lib, we'll have to race for it.... Cyrus has Paper already. And some caravels would be welcomed... there is still a civ in the mist ( hopefully a backward one..... Wen Amon always wanted to have a nice summer city )

 

[mice]

@ Mice

a city there would pay it self almost from the beginning. And we should get those gems as well....

Wen amon, what city site would you recommend most? I might pop out a settler and steal that site before anyone else does.

 

[r_rolo1]

@mice

You're talking about the Phants/cows spot or of the gems? If Gems:

Spoiler :

Needs some jungle clearing ( and has some overlap ), but may become a quite nice cottage city...
If phants/cows... maybe 1 E of the ruins ( catches 1 more desert, but avoids overlap with Wen Amon and have more grassland )

 

[Arlborn]

Pre-turn

Hum, we do need Catas. But he did whip a lot, I will try to whip where it is optimal, but there is not as much hurry as before, with Cathy and Gil busy on each other, right?

And some Pikes is indeed a good idea! But we better try Lib first.


Turn 1:
Jeez, I saw it now. 70% science = -104 gpt??? We got only 600 gold, so not a very good idea. I did put down for 60% = -77 gpt, and it didn't changr the time of paper, which comes in 3 turns.

Thebes: workboat > caravel
Memphis: maceman > catapults
Heliopolis: maceman > cata

Songwriter quest; I didn't want to waste money for 450 culture(33 gold), so I got the first option; free 100 culture in Thebes.

Troops built going to north to main stack or to cities.

The place around where Nubian was is a very good site! But it is indeed risky now. I won´t settle the elephant in my turns yet, we need money and research. I will try to reshape our economy a bit.


Turn 2:

Barbarian archer south of Memphis > change to a warchariot to take care of it because our cities are poorly defensed there(warrior in thebes? 1??! lol)

Paris: Missionary > harbor(health cap soon and we need money, it has 4 trade routes of 3)
Bombay: xbow > forget (whip soon)
Orleans: Whiped cata > market
Heliopolis: Cata > cata

Whale connected.

Shouldn't we be on free religion or theorcracy???!! Benefits of org. religion for us aren't many!

Turn 3:
Freaking Cathy:


HOW DARE YOU THREAT THE BEST KING IN THE WORLD?!? YOU SHALL PAY FOR THIS SIN CATHERINE, WRITE MY WORDS, YOU SHALL PAY!
The answer is no, if you didn't get my drift. Bye.
Still cautious, Ah well.

Heliopolis: cata > cata
Bombay: Whip forge, next is courthouse.


Turn 4:
Cathy offers Feudalism for music + 175 gold. I decline because I decided we need the money.

Adopt free religion > forgot to adopt last turn uh-oh.
Paper > philosophy

Great scientist in Paris. What shall I do? Hum, he can help in education or build academy in paris(which is biggest science city togheter with Thebes, 46 beakers). I think academy. Yes, OK, built academy.
Next Great Person in 21 turns in Thebes. Probably GE or GP.



Memphis: war chariot(take care of barbarian) > cata.


Turn 5:

Thebes: Caravel > caravel. Sent caravel exploring NW with a misionary inside.
Memphis: cata > cata
Heliopolis: Cata > market(need money)
Paris: Harbor > Cata


Turn 6:

VoK: cata > spy( I want to see what is gonig on north)
Memphis: Cata > wealth(25 gpt!!!!!!!!!!!! We need it to beeline fast for lib, we are losing too much money, and market there would give us only 2 gpt)
Wen Amon: Courthouse whipped for 2 pop. Next is market(chopped too). Sorry but we need some money.

Confu in bombay.


Turn 7:
Philosophy > education
Cyrus has no philosohy yet by the way.

Duh, why our scout on extreme north was fortified without explore? Put him to explore.

Paris: Cata > cata (when we build national epic? Will it be here for sure?)

Turn 8:

VoK: spy > cata
Paris: cata > Xbow
Thebes: market > angkor Wat(would be nice to get more shrines by the way)

Turn 9:

Lagash is a great city by the way. I am doing some watermills there, but I think it would be better to farm and use priests. Specially because Angkor Wat is bengi built.

Thebes: Caravel > harbor


Turn 10:

Cyrus completed university of blablabla. We are third weathist CIV(was it?), and the unknown CIV is last. Probably isolated in another continent.

And here I leave.


4 turns for education with 50% research rate.




So, what now? I built loads of catas. Maybe Gil again?


Save attached.

 

[r_rolo1]

Gilgamesh is loosing the war with Cathy.... If we attack him and take some cities , he'll vassalize to her..... but my vote is for Gil anyway...

I've checked the wonders screen and noticed that our unknow friend had been busy and have a impressive collectoins of wonders ( includind the Great Library... not the result of the stealing of Lib tech, you see ) .Maybe a Ind civ? Whoever it is, it may worth a detour....

 

[Arlborn]

Gilgamesh is loosing the war with Cathy.... If we attack him and take some cities , he'll vassalize to her..... but my vote is for Gil anyway...

I've checked the wonders screen and noticed that our unknow friend had been busy and have a impressive collectoins of wonders ( includind the Great Library... not the result of the stealing of Lib tech, you see ) .Maybe a Ind civ? Whoever it is, it may worth a detour....

If we do more damage than Cathy, he is more likely to vassalize to us. At least that is what was in the change list of the patch! Hehe.

 

[mice]

"No Vassals" in this game.

It makes Gilgamesh a target even more.

I vote Hakizamanabag II takes the army an attacks Sumeria. Cities to be divided betwen Hakizmanabag and Pawelo.

If Cathy doesnt doW us we can breathe for a while. To be honest losing Lib won't be so bad if we can take Sumeria and get it producing.

 

[r_rolo1]

Ooops..... ( my head is starting to hurt with so much self inflicting hammerage....).
I agree with war on Gilga.....

@Arlborn

In spite of this not being the case, if this game had vassals Gil would probably vassalize to Cathy... Why? Same reason of what happened in the Spain ALC ( take 2 ) : AI spend their troops early in the war...most likely Gilga sent his personal SoD against Cathy ( and lost it, by the looks of the power graph ) and we would reenter the war against fewer units, so we would kill less Gilga units than Cathy. Because the AI decides who is winning the war by the number of troops they lost ( BTW same applies to 1:1 wars.... that is the main reason why some guys stuborny refuse peace: they killed more units than they had lost, and so they think they are winning, regardless of being stuck in a 1 tile island with no resources and 2 archers.... ), Gilga would think that Cathy had done to him greater damage than us ( even if we took all of his cities except one ) and would vassalize to her.

 

[pawelo]

I think Sumeria is a great target now - always a good time to kick someone already on the ground.
Also, no need to leave great cities to Russia.

I propose to let advisor Hakizanamabag ( or alike ) take over our reign and go after the Ur region.

Nice moves Metahu Thah - always nice to get the circumnavigation, even if we meet no one.

 

[Cabledawg]

Good turns Arlborn. My orders for my cities:
In Lagash, watermill every tile possible. Dont chop any of the forest there. Purple is watermills and the line is indicating where it should go. You may have to build them in a particular order to get them on the correct side of the river. Yellow is lumbermills. Red is mines and green is farms.

After its current build, do temple, forge, and courthouse.

In Memphis, build a Confused monastary and Temple next for the hammers. Its running a spy specialist...was that intended?

In Orleans, a harbor or caravel next is fine.

In Agra, the lighthouse can be whipped for 2 pop. It also needs another WB that Thebes can build. Its not my city, but a suggestion.