Phasing out smoking

It's hard to ban bad parenting.

How I wish there was a parenting license. Parenting is a responsibility, not a right, and that right should be taken away if you suck at it.

Anyway, banning smoking inside a car with children in it is quite easily enforcable.

*Most* parents do not smoke around their children. Some do, but not most.
I'd love to see the statistics!
 
How I wish there was a parenting license. Parenting is a responsibility, not a right, and that right should be taken away if you suck at it.

You're correct. Parenting is a responsibility, not a right. And the government can take your children away if you do suck at it.

How would you enforce a parenting license? Force women (or men) on birth control?
 
You're correct. Parenting is a responsibility, not a right. The government can take your children away if you do suck at it.

How would you enforce a parenting license? Force women (or men) on birth control?

I'd like to note that I said "how I wish" - that is, I have no clue how to make it work, or if it can even work in principle. :p
 
It can though. You could kill someone while on a coke high.

Statistically, you're more likely to kill someone while drunk. Voodoo pharmacology is a myth. If Bob does some coke and then kills someone, Bob is the murderer, not the coke.

As I said, if you don't like someone smoking, go somewhere else. It doesn't matter anymore anyways, smoking is banned everywhere but outside, which is quite ********.

You're right, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to ban smoking everywhere, when you're still allowed to drive everywhere.
 
It's not the governments business to legislate how people live their lives. If people won't to smoke let them pay higher insurance premiums and have shorter lives, no skin off my back.
 
It's not the governments business to legislate how people live their lives. If people won't to smoke let them pay higher insurance premiums and have shorter lives, no skin off my back.

this is exactly the reason why every substance should be legal. Other people have no right to tell me what to do with my own body.
 
Cocaine doesn't harm anyone around you.

I think they don't mean just bodily harm. Psychological harm to friends and especially family. Imagine the mental anguish of the parents or boy/girlfriends?
 
I think they don't mean just bodily harm. Psychological harm to friends and especially family. Imagine the mental anguish of the parents or boy/girlfriends?
I don't really think psychological harm to friends/family can compare to physical harm. :p

this is exactly the reason why every substance should be legal. Other people have no right to tell me what to do with my own body.
Except, as said before a dozen times, smoking does not only affect the body which takes it.
 
I think they don't mean just bodily harm. Psychological harm to friends and especially family. Imagine the mental anguish of the parents or boy/girlfriends?

I fail to see how it's any worse than an alcoholic.
 
This would never work for the same reason alchohol prohibition never worked, it will cause more problems than it solves. You will essentially be creating a new black market for criminals to exploit. I think our police have much more important things to do than busting people for smoking tobacco.
 
In Ontario, you pay 5.30 in tax alone on each pack (25). If you smoke two packs a week, that's 550 dollars a year, or ~16500 over 30 years. This in addition to a much higher amount you paid for normal healthcare.

If the commercials are right, only one in three smokers will die from tobacco. So that's ~49,000 per smoker. Sounds alright to me.
 
Well I don't ski or mountain climb, and when people are injured or need to be rescued my tax dolars pay for that, so by this same logic of phasing out smoking, should we ban mountain climbing and other dangerous sports?
 
I think it should me made much, much harder for teenagers to start smoking. Probably not to the point of banning it outright, however. I also think that selling cigarettes in clubs and pubs should be banned...... :cringe:
 
I don't buy the argument that "it harms people." It's their personal choice to do so.

Where do I mention cocaine? I said chocolate, as in candy. It makes people fat. :rolleyes:

Well, you said

AlCosta said:
The argument to ban smoking is stupid. You can't ban someone's choices, it's their personal freedom.

Cocaine is a choice. It is banned.

I don't think you are arguing that everything that is a personal choice should be legal.. are you?
 
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