Pmod01 - A lightly modded SG

[pnaxighn]

Seems like the right plan except we want universal suffrage, not rep.

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Seems like the right plan except we want universal suffrage, not rep.

What for do we want universal suffrage?? And keep in mind we will get 2 free specialists per city. That means (after settling the fillers) around 34-38 free specialists. This would mean 102-105 free breakers + multipliers, what would raise it to more than 152 just from rep!! And as we're not in any hurry building infa or military I don't see any effort in taking US!!

 

[cripp7]

What for do we want universal suffrage?? And keep in mind we will get 2 free specialists per city. That means (after settling the fillers) around 34-38 free specialists. This would mean 102-105 free breakers + multipliers, what would raise it to more than 152 just from rep!! And as we're not in any hurry building infa or military I don't see any effort in taking US!!

I agree with that too, US adds the +1 to towns, but right now we need boost to keep up with the AI

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

I'm still waiting for silk's and pnax's comments..

 

[silk1976]

Yeah it seems to me that rep is the way to go at this moment - unless I'm missing something with US

Everything else sounds fine to me - usage of great people, civics changes, etc.

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Finally I played my turns and here's the report:

IT:
MM to get demo in 4 turns

1690:
Toku came to ask for this:

Spoiler :

Decided to decline..
But an Acadamy was build in Hastings.

1695:
We got lucky:

Spoiler :

1705:
The turn our plan comes together:
Demo is in + Nottingham finished it's Stock Exchange + London born another GS so we started our GA, switched to Rep, Nation, Eman, Merc, Free Rel as well as we started on the stature in Nottingham and on Oxford in Hastings. Did I say that I do love it when a plan comes together??
Techwise we went for RepParts, 'cause Econ and Coop would not make any effort right at the moment..
Additionally we got this:

Spoiler :

And we've got another trading partner! Wang Kong agreed to this deal:

Spoiler :

1710:
Mao demanded Constitiution but I declined, and Wang Kong asked for OB what I accepted.

1715:
Right here's the reason why I made the deal with Wang Kong above:

Spoiler :

Charly was the only one (except of Toku) who still missed Lib so we saved two rounds in RepParts!

1720 --> 1730:
Build Infra.. Nothing worth to mention..

1735:
Obsolete asked for OB and I accepted.

And here I finished.

There are two more round of GA.. And we definetely should stop dreaming of stealing something from someone. For me it seems the costs for stealing are even raising.. And our resurch is that good, that I'm sure we'll get far ahead soon, so no tech will be availabe for stealing.. So I fired nearly every spy and took scientists or merchants..

BTW: The question how to feed our NP city still remains..

Forgot the roster..

silk1976
thy_spellcraft --> just played
cripp7 --> up now
pnaxighn --> on deck

 

[pnaxighn]

Finally I played my turns and here's the report:

IT:
MM to get demo in 4 turns

1690:
Toku came to ask for this:

Spoiler :

Decided to decline..
But an Acadamy was build in Hastings.

1695:
We got lucky:

Spoiler :

1705:
The turn our plan comes together:
Demo is in + Nottingham finished it's Stock Exchange + London born another GS so we started our GA, switched to Rep, Nation, Eman, Merc, Free Rel as well as we started on the stature in Nottingham and on Oxford in Hastings. Did I say that I do love it when a plan comes together??
Techwise we went for RepParts, 'cause Econ and Coop would not make any effort right at the moment..

The reason I wanted US is that we have a bunch of cottages, and production becomes more and more important as the game goes on. Buying buildings also helps get cities online faster. Rep isn't the worst thing ever, however.

Additionally we got this:

Spoiler :

And we've got another trading partner! Wang Kong agreed to this deal:

Spoiler :

This seems like a really poor deal. Picking up a series of techs we haven't bothered much with for liberalism, which is important to later techs.

1710:
Mao demanded Constitiution but I declined, and Wang Kong asked for OB what I accepted.

1715:
Right here's the reason why I made the deal with Wang Kong above:

Spoiler :

Charly was the only one (except of Toku) who still missed Lib so we saved two rounds in RepParts!

Replaceable parts is a good tech, and saving time on it is good. I'm not sure two rounds was worth trading liberalism around like that, but at least this is a real benefit.

1720 --> 1730:
Build Infra.. Nothing worth to mention..

1735:
Obsolete asked for OB and I accepted.

And here I finished.

There are two more round of GA.. And we definetely should stop dreaming of stealing something from someone. For me it seems the costs for stealing are even raising.. And our resurch is that good, that I'm sure we'll get far ahead soon, so no tech will be availabe for stealing.. So I fired nearly every spy and took scientists or merchants..

BTW: The question how to feed our NP city still remains..

We should continue to dream of stealing something from someone because we WILL steal something from someone. By building spy buildings, we generate spy points -- no spy specialists or spy rate required. We won't steal *much* and it won't be our primary economy, but it will be a nice way to pick up a tech, which is always important. This works even better if you can buy those buildings, but we're in rep...

As to the NP city -- it doesn't need food. the NP is for preserves. You don't need to work them, you just need to have them. That city will have 10 specialists -- even if it has nothing else, that's useful.

 

[pnaxighn]

In other news...

Cripp is up. God, why does he never think he's up?!

 

[cripp7]

In other news...

Cripp is up. God, why does he never think he's up?!

I'm up, really hehe, I had 2 other SGs that came up at the same time and had gotten them mixed up. That's what had happened.
Where to go after economics>corp(for WS)>SM>Bio>SP>AL
Mao is 1t from Physics, he's teching like mad! However getting bureaus in the cities and keeping at 10% will get us some key key techs to steal(yes stealing is still vital)

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

I'd rather go for Astro right after economics 'cause we need observatories online pretty soon to keep up in the tech race! And afterwards I'd go for Assembly line for factories!

And about the stealing: I'm not very familiar with this, but I think we're teching a bit too fast to steal more than some backfillers.. As far as I see astro would be a key tech right at the moment, but we need nearly 3 times as much EPs on Mao as we already have to steal it! If you'd ask me, I'd say it would be a waste of 10% science.. Build those bureaus but better leave the slider where it is!

 

[pnaxighn]

I'd rather go for Astro right after economics 'cause we need observatories online pretty soon to keep up in the tech race! And afterwards I'd go for Assembly line for factories!

And about the stealing: I'm not very familiar with this, but I think we're teching a bit too fast to steal more than some backfillers.. As far as I see astro would be a key tech right at the moment, but we need nearly 3 times as much EPs on Mao as we already have to steal it! If you'd ask me, I'd say it would be a waste of 10% science.. Build those bureaus but better leave the slider where it is!

I usually don't run the spy slider, but it's still easy to steal key techs. Since Mao will get physics before us, that (or SM, depending) are good targets. The key is that more EP -> lower cost, plus more to spend, so it's sorta O(x^2), if anyone knows what I'm talking about. The point is, the investment will pay off.

Anyway, we need to start thinking about, y'know, victory. Since space seems the best option, we should start considering the key techs: robotics (elevator), computers (internet), and...whatever gives labs . I forget. Anything on the way to those is important. We might also want SOME military...

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Since space seems the best option, we should start considering the key techs: robotics (elevator), computers (internet), and...whatever gives labs . I forget. Anything on the way to those is important. We might also want SOME military...

It's superconductors..
And I agree to go straight forwards Robotics (which includes Computers..) for the elevator.. And as we want to be the first on those techs we should concentrate on teching them and should steal the military ones like rifling, MS or MT..

 

[cripp7]

Pregame
nothing really to do so hit enter

Turn 259 (1)
Eco in start Astro (make the switch to FM after Astro is in)

Spoiler :

Oxford lighthouse>harbor
York sent settler to 'next city' marker

Turn 260
GA over research 70%(+1)
Canterbury temple>jail
Warwick court>forge
settle Brighton >granary

Turn 261
Newcastle grocer>bureau
Toku DW on Obsolete, expect demands soon

Turn 262
Astro in start SP

Spoiler :

London walls>observatory
Oxford harbor>frigate
Hastings Ox>jail

remove some signs clutter
revolt to FM

Turn 263
Mao declares on Obsolete

Turn 264
Liverpool library>harbor
Toku has captured 2 of Obsoletes cities now

Turn 265
Cahokia stock>observatory
Brighton granary>court

Turn 266
Hastings jail>observatory
Mound City grocer>customs
Coventry jail>harbor
Dover (renamed National Park) court>library

Turn 267
Mao's GA has begun
slider to 80%(-19)

Turn 268
zzz

Turn 269
Just a matter of time...sorry

Spoiler :

York settler>observatory
Canterbury jail>customs
Oxford frigate>levee
SP in queue up SM, we have 2 sources of coal

Spoiler :

Turn 270
Wang offers a trade..not right now

Spoiler :

London observatory>customs
Nottingham SoL!>observatory
Toku captures another city of Obsolete

Turn 271
Cahokia observatory>musket
Newcastle bureau>frigate
Settled Dover >granary
Mao canceled all deals and closed borders..stopped here

The only thing I can think of is our power rating is bottomed out, start drafting some units and go into military mode to get our power up. We're 1t from SM.

 

[pnaxighn]

Pregame
Turn 263
Mao declares on Obsolete

Wow, that's pretty important.

Turn 264
Liverpool library>harbor
Toku has captured 2 of Obsoletes cities now

Even more so. This puts Mao firmly in the "man to beat" spot.

Turn 265
Cahokia stock>observatory
Brighton granary>court

Turn 266
Hastings jail>observatory
Mound City grocer>customs
Coventry jail>harbor
Dover (renamed National Park) court>library

Turn 267
Mao's GA has begun
slider to 80%(-19)

And this only solidifies it.

Turn 268
zzz

Turn 269
Just a matter of time...sorry

Spoiler :

York settler>observatory
Canterbury jail>customs
Oxford frigate>levee
SP in queue up SM, we have 2 sources of coal

Spoiler :

Turn 270
Wang offers a trade..not right now

Spoiler :

London observatory>customs
Nottingham SoL!>observatory
Toku captures another city of Obsolete

Turn 271
Cahokia observatory>musket
Newcastle bureau>frigate
Settled Dover >granary
Mao canceled all deals and closed borders..stopped here

The only thing I can think of is our power rating is bottomed out, start drafting some units and go into military mode to get our power up. We're 1t from SM.

Usually if they're going to war...they war. This seems like he was bribed, or Obsolete APed us again. If no one else canceled, it would be a bribe...but by who?

 

[cripp7]

Maybe Charlie or Toku bribed otherwise it would've been an AP vote. Either way we should be able to reopen in a few turns

 

[pnaxighn]

Alright. Got it for...some point. I probably won't be able to play until Thursday (must prepare for houseguests). If anyone's in a rush, feel free to swap and take this one.

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Just took a bit deeper look at the save.. Just one question: Why the hell did we change to free market? We didn't have OB with more than two other leaders.. Therefore FM makes defenitely NO sense! (Keep in mind we have Rep and therefore 3 additional breakers per specialist..) So I think we should switch back as fast as possible!

And stop the custom houses as they don't pay off at the moment, as well as we should stop staration in Mound City!! And shouldn't we rather have gone for AssemblyLine instaed of resurching SM?? This would obsolete our monasties and I far as I see we don't need it at the moment, 'cause there's still enough other stuff to go for (and the free scientist from phisics is gone already..).

BTW: We may steal MilTrad from Mao!

 

[cripp7]

Just took a bit deeper look at the save.. Just one question: Why the hell did we change to free market? We didn't have OB with more than two other leaders.. Therefore FM makes defenitely NO sense! (Keep in mind we have Rep and therefore 3 additional breakers per specialist..) So I think we should switch back as fast as possible![\quote]

I switch to FM because I thought with the +1tr would be bringing in more , but since Mao closed borders I can understand that. I'll make note off that for future games.

And stop the custom houses as they don't pay off at the moment, as well as we should stop staration in Mound City!! And shouldn't we rather have gone for AssemblyLine instaed of resurching SM?? This would obsolete our monasties and I far as I see we don't need it at the moment, 'cause there's still enough other stuff to go for (and the free scientist from phisics is gone already..).

Yeah customs work with FM. Stop what in Mound? There's only 1t left in SM so we could switch to AL.

BTW: We may steal MilTrad from Mao!

That can done

 

[silk1976]

I switch to FM because I thought with the +1tr would be bringing in more , but since Mao closed borders I can understand that. I'll make note off that for future games.

I saw that Mao closed borders after the switch to FM as well. No real way to predict whether an AI is going to close borders, so while FM may have not panned out, I dont see a huge basis for arguing against FM originally, when we had 3 trading partners.

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

I saw that Mao closed borders after the switch to FM as well. No real way to predict whether an AI is going to close borders, so while FM may have not panned out, I dont see a huge basis for arguing against FM originally, when we had 3 trading partners.

Ok.. I didn't see that there were 3 partners.. But nonetheless stoping trade with Obsolete after Toku asked for it (at least it seems to be..) was not the best idea after all..

But what's done is done.. Let's keep the wheel rolling..