[POLL] More Wonders for VP
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Deljade
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No@Deljade I'm curious, did you play with Era Restrictions? Still waiting for your thoughts
I was slow at completing games before and been having even less time this autumn so I just did a couple of playthroughs on the newest patch thus far. I'll eventually get to it though, want to try in a Huge map game with more civs than I usually add
No problem.No
I was slow at completing games before and been having even less time this autumn so I just did a couple of playthroughs on the newest patch thus far. I'll eventually get to it though, want to try in a Huge map game with more civs than I usually add
Yes, This improvement is in addition to camp and pasture because you cannot build two adjacent ones. The problem is that a human player will voluntarily choose to make a camp rather than a Kan to access the wonder while the AI doesn't, the goal was rather to put the AI at the same level as the human.
But I'm not sure this civ proposal is played, I'm trying to rebalance it because it was completely overpowered at the end of the game.
It would be a good idea but I absolutely don't have the skills to do this
.No problem, I only play with the communitas that I changed slightly (only the latitude values for the different biomes) but so I can't swear the error is not mine.
I will try other maps to see.
I confirm that it doesn't work on
Culture, nor on 
Golden Age Points.Spoiler Culture by conversion :
Yet I can see 2I confirm that it doesn't work on
Spoiler Culture by conversion :
from conversion. 10% from 24 
means 2,4 rounded down means 2 .notaspambot
Warlord
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It shows up in the tooltip, but is not actually addeed to the sum: 8+8+6+14+2=38, yet only 36 is shown at the bottom. I've confirmed that it works for food/production/gold/science, at least.
If this is a DLL issue, I'll have to leave the reporting to someone else with a github account.
If this is a DLL issue, I'll have to leave the reporting to someone else with a github account.
Yeah it's dll. Table is formatted correctly. I rechecked that.
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It could be missed by VP devs because they didn't use culture as an output. Make github issue on VP and hoe they will fix this.
Thank you for heavy balance feedback. Long time since last one I got from anyone. Unfortunately I must disagree with some of your statements.
causes 
? Because of uncontrolled growth?
That was the idea. Well may be counterproductive but is free, and compensated by this on River. It was initially, so look how OP it was before. Beside that Well and Water Mill give almost the same bonuses ( ,
and /
). The only difference is that Water Mill comes later and is slightly more powerful. But as I said, it is compensated by this powerful boost.
/tile on Karnak, only flat . Giving it Water Mill, very late and powerful classical era building would be too much.
in other wonders, even too much imo. This wonder was planned to be "different" and give powerful boost becoming amazing later on. Those flat yields are just an irrelevant and simple "addon".
And other thing is that Stonehenge is now not the only early religious wonder in the pack. Now you can also boost your religion with Ggantija, Goebekli Tepe, Majorville or Nazca as well. That's a huge variety.
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(not 35). +5 is applied to any other inland city. Food bonus might look like displaced, but I've added it because it had granaries prepared for long siege. I will lower defense to 20 total, cut the carry bonus, increase the base from 1 to 2. I will not cut the Supply bonus, because it is very thematic for this wonder. If it gives +5-+7
, then it is not much. Remember that coastal cities do not count towards this bonus. It gets huge nerf even without this.
Look at Gate of Sun response. Already solved.
Why
causes ? Because of uncontrolled growth?That was the idea. Well may be counterproductive but is free, and compensated by this
on River. It was initially, so look how OP it was before. Beside that Well and Water Mill give almost the same bonuses ( , and /). The only difference is that Water Mill comes later and is slightly more powerful. But as I said, it is compensated by this powerful boost.
I don't modify base WWs, so Petra shouldn't be touched. There's no
/tile on Karnak, only flat . Giving it Water Mill, very late and powerful classical era building would be too much.
Strange because when I hit some test games to check some new stuff, Kuk is the most frequent wonder I get on city list.
I disagree. There's enough
in other wonders, even too much imo. This wonder was planned to be "different" and give powerful boost becoming amazing later on. Those flat yields are just an irrelevant and simple "addon".
With Stonehenge there's a major problem - how to differentiate it from Pyramids. I added "no Coast" requirement to avoid often building them both in a starting city. It's about 4th iteration for this wonder.
And other thing is that Stonehenge is now not the only early religious wonder in the pack. Now you can also boost your religion with Ggantija, Goebekli Tepe, Majorville or Nazca as well. That's a huge variety.
Agreed. Plantation added as an optional requirement.
On github there's new build which does not need Mountains to be worked to get the bonuses. Yields are added automatically after claiming tiles like for Machu Picchu. 2nd option is already applied.
Agreed. Forge idea was original one I saved. I missed it is so late. Increased yields and GSciP instead of free Forge.
Agreed. Lowered to 10XP per
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It gets only 30
(not 35). +5 is applied to any other inland city. Food bonus might look like displaced, but I've added it because it had granaries prepared for long siege. I will lower defense to 20 total, cut the carry bonus, increase the base from 1 to 2. I will not cut the Supply bonus, because it is very thematic for this wonder. If it gives +5-+7, then it is not much. Remember that coastal cities do not count towards this bonus. It gets huge nerf even without this.
This topic was mentioned earlier by someone else. The reason I gave it Archaeologist is the deep need of Artifacts to fill the slots and get maximum theming bonus. This, even if delayed, gives much advantage in that matter. I will give that additional GArtP anyways to make it stronger earlier. But Archaeologist must stay imo.
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pineappledan
Deity
Since the wonder comes too early, but you still want it to boost archeoogists, maybe it could give a promotion to archeologists instead?
Maybe make them faster, or ignore terrain costs, or increase their improvement speed, so they dig up ruins quicker?
Might be a nice unique buff to Archaeologists that do not have one, right?
Why not : Can collect artefacts in civilization without open borders if it shares the same religion ?
AndreyK
King
Civilopedia entry for Rockefeller Center has historical description for Arecibo
Golden Dagon Pagoda wil have promotion instead of free Archaeologist:
- all Archaeologists: "+20% Work Rate. Unit can enter rival territory without Open Borders." (Hidden Artifacts);
@adan_eslavo
Mohenjo-Daro: I know that Petra and Karnak don't buff food yields -- my point was that they boost desert tiles periods, which makes three desert-boosting wonders in the ancient era alone. And giving Water Mill while removing the food per tile seems like a nerf actually
But I understand your point.
Kuk: It's definitely the most built wonder... precisely because it allows of jungle without marsh! My point was that the requirement should be marsh only, not jungle only or jungle + marsh (because jungle+marsh starts are quite rare).
Mohenjo-Daro: I know that Petra and Karnak don't buff food yields -- my point was that they boost desert tiles periods, which makes three desert-boosting wonders in the ancient era alone. And giving Water Mill while removing the food per tile seems like a nerf actually
But I understand your point.Kuk: It's definitely the most built wonder... precisely because it allows of jungle without marsh! My point was that the requirement should be marsh only, not jungle only or jungle + marsh (because jungle+marsh starts are quite rare).
Jeez, it should be Jungle + Marsh since the beginning, but I used standard function checking Or instead of And
Bad news!
My computer has cooling failure so I sent it to service. Because of Covid-19 they have tons of computers to fix, so I'm out of programming for at least 3 weeks, maybe more.
If you have another ideas or suggestions, still post them. I will read those posts - with lower frequency than earlier probably, and later when my unit will be back, I will try to post some beta asap.
My computer has cooling failure so I sent it to service. Because of Covid-19 they have tons of computers to fix, so I'm out of programming for at least 3 weeks, maybe more.
If you have another ideas or suggestions, still post them. I will read those posts - with lower frequency than earlier probably, and later when my unit will be back, I will try to post some beta asap.
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AndreyK
King
Looks like Bioluminescent Bay gives 1 food to fish, not science
