(poll) What civs would you like to see in a hypothetical third expansion?

[Krajzen]

I can’t put my finger on it, but something feels different about Civ6 at this stage in the process.

Civ3, Civ4, and Civ5 all felt “done” after two expansions.

Civ6 had probably what was the most complete vanilla Civ game to date, yet it still feels incomplete.

Maybe it’s the missing classic civs, or maybe it’s just that this game has a higher threshold for the amount of features it can handle.

Something feels different. As if we have only begun to play...

Well I'd be surprised if Firaxis never changed "two expensions" formula for next 100 years. Paradox Interactive milks CK2 and EU4 for 6-7 years of like 12 DLC mini expansion releases...

 

[PhoenicianGold]

A proposed small DLC pack:

* Goths - Theoderic
* Mughals - Nur Jahan

 

[The Kingmaker]

A proposed small DLC pack:

* Goths - Theoderic
* Mughals - Nur Jahan

I’d buy it. But then, I’d buy any new DLC pack with new civs.

The difference is that I’d pay more for the things I want the most.

 

[Vahnstad]

A proposed small DLC pack:

* Goths - Theoderic
* Mughals - Nur Jahan

Would absolutely love it!

 

[Vahnstad]

Well if we get four expansion packs (and go over the top).

Expansion Pack Three
Ashanti - Osei Tutu
Argentina - Eva Peron
Babylon - Hammurabi
Burma - Anawrahta
Gauls - Vercingetorix
Maya - Lady Six Sky
Navajo - Manuelito
Portugal - Joao II
Alt Roman leader - Theodora

Expansion Pack Four
Assyria - Ashurbanipal
Ethiopia - Menelik II
Goths - Theodoric
Morocco - Tariq Ibn Zayid
Mughals - Nur Jahan
Muisca - Nemequene
Romania - Vlad Dracula
Vietnam - The Trung Sisters
Alt. Russian leader - Ivan The Terrible

Still so many civs left over... lol (I'd save Bulgaria for civ 7 because Dracula fits civ 6 better)

 

[The Kingmaker]

I do think it’s interesting that nations that might otherwise be perceived as lesser contenders have famous leaders that catapult them into contention.

Eva Perón, for example, is so famous she has her own musical, making her the obvious choice for Argentina.

And who hasn’t heard of Dracula? Even if Vlad Țepeș wasn’t really a vampire.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I do think it’s interesting that nations that might otherwise be perceived as lesser contenders have famous leaders that catapult them into contention.

Eva Perón, for example, is so famous she has her own musical, making her the obvious choice for Argentina.

And who hasn’t heard of Dracula? Even if Vlad Țepeș wasn’t really a vampire.

I personally don't find either that appealing, given that Eva wasn't exactly a model of female leadership and Vlad never led all of Romania. Also, I really, really don't care for Evita the musical so having any reminder of it would kind of ruin Argentina for me.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I personally don't find either that appealing, given that Eva wasn't exactly a model of female leadership and Vlad never led all of Romania. Also, I really, really don't care for Evita the musical so having any reminder of it would kind of ruin Argentina for me.

I’m not especially partial to either of them myself, but there’s no disputing their notoriety.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Eva Peron's defeat screen would have to at least let her say "Don't cry for me Argentina."

 

[Zaarin]

Eva Peron's defeat screen would have to at least let her say "Don't cry for me Argentina."

And yet Kupe doesn't even say "You're welcome" when trading with him.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I’m not especially partial to either of them myself, but there’s no disputing their notoriety.

Oh yeah I wouldn't dispute that at all. Although looking at the most obvious mechanical focuses they would likely have, I don't see them as being substantially very different from the Mapuche or Hungary at this point.

Well if we get four expansion packs (and go over the top).

Expansion Pack Three
Ashanti - Osei Tutu
Argentina - Eva Peron
Babylon - Hammurabi
Burma - Anawrahta
Gauls - Vercingetorix
Maya - Lady Six Sky
Navajo - Manuelito
Portugal - Joao II
Alt Roman leader - Theodora

Expansion Pack Four
Assyria - Ashurbanipal
Ethiopia - Menelik II
Goths - Theodoric
Morocco - Tariq Ibn Zayid
Mughals - Nur Jahan
Muisca - Nemequene
Romania - Vlad Dracula
Vietnam - The Trung Sisters
Alt. Russian leader - Ivan The Terrible

Still so many civs left over... lol (I'd save Bulgaria for civ 7 because Dracula fits civ 6 better)

This is where my current ideal list currently sits at. Bear in mind, my focus is primarily a) following the general trend set by the first two expacks as much as possible and b) filling out the map with the broadest and most unique cultures in the region.

Expack 3

* Maya - Lady Six Sky
* Morocco/Berbers - Yusuf I/Kahina
* Portugal - Sebastian
* Swahili - Fumo Liyongo
* Burma - Anawrahta
* Navajo - Barboncito
* Ireland - Grace O'Malley
* Armenia - Artaxias

Expack 4

* Ethiopia - Haile Selassie
* Denmark - Margaret
* Vietnam - Trung Trac
* Yoruba/Benin - Euware/Idia
* Hawaii - Liluokalani
* Italy/Vatican - Innocent III
* Taino - Anacaona
* Romani - Stefan Razvan? (this theoretical expack is lacking a Muslim, Semitic, Middle Eastern, or Indian civ; given that Romania is fairly incoherent and Bulgaria would share a lot mechanically with Hungary, I would personally pivot toward the Romani occupying this TSL location. I don't think they stand a chance in hell given that they are a very controversial demographic, but given the options for that region I think they they are the most culturally and mechanically unique option).

DLC (highly requested "duplicate" kingdoms)

* Goths - Theoderic
* Mughals/Gurkani - Nur Jahan

DLC (prehistoric civs)

* Inuit - Nanook
* Noongar - Yagan

And then I guess I would at this point also consider Mexico, Colombia, and the Philippines for another DLC pack although I personally have no affinity for any of them. I would believe Mexico would sell the best, while Colombia would fill the most relevant geographic spot. But I also acknowledge that after SE Asia is filled out, the Philippines could feasibly slide in too.

Geographically Tibet and Sakha are also two extremely large self-governing polities within China and Russia that I think would add to the map. I no longer consider either very likely so I just presume those regions will remain empty.

And we also have the Sami, who are a perfect gap filler for Finland, but who are competing with Denmark for a third Inuit for Scandinavia spot and the Inuit for the polar civ spot. I would welcome the Sami and even two polar civs, but damn if I can't figure out where to fit them in.

And, I guess after all or most of these slots have been filled, then I would begin to consider Byzantium as a separate civ from Rome at some point. I would say at the very least I would not consider it more important than the civs in expack 3. Expack 4, sure it could take the Romani's spot and I wouldn't be too salty. I think another 16+ civs could just barely justify the Rome/Byzantium split, but if we only get another 8 civs, I just don't support it when there are at least half a dozen regions/cultures that could use that slot more.

 

[awesome]

I do think it’s interesting that nations that might otherwise be perceived as lesser contenders have famous leaders that catapult them into contention.

Eva Perón, for example, is so famous she has her own musical, making her the obvious choice for Argentina.

And who hasn’t heard of Dracula? Even if Vlad Țepeș wasn’t really a vampire.

Honestly, if a "lesser" civilization can bring a more interesting play style, then I'm all for it. For example, people will usually argue that the Byzantine empire was more important than Romania, and it probably was, but I could see Vlad getting something involving religious combat, which would be cool.

 

[Greywulf]

Maya
Ethiopia
Babylon
Assyria
Inuit
Muisca
Portugal
Tamil

 

[The Kingmaker]

I saw a poster on another forum who is absolutely convinced we’ll get two more years of content, with all the civs you could ask for.

If only!

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I saw a poster on another forum who is absolutely convinced we’ll get two more years of content, with all the civs you could ask for.

If only!

I am actually finding myself to believe this more and more. And let me break down why.

We are getting on average two European civs, plus a europe-adjacent civ/leader, each expansion pack. (Scotland, Netherlands Georgia; Sweden, Hungary, Eleanor)

We will inevitably get Portugal. That is one.

We suspiciously got Scotland before Ireland and the only Irish representation is Northern Ireland. Ireland seems quite likely at some point. That is two.

A game like VI feels wasted without Margert leading Denmark. Finland/Sami is also a highly requested civ. We will get at least one more Scandinavian civ. That is three.

Italy/Vatican/Papal States also seem like they will happen, given all the weird signs. CdM, no Florence CS, no Venice CS, the theme song. That is four.

We are already seeing evidence of at least four European civs which are likely planned for the complete game. They can't all fit into one expansion pack, and so there must be something planned after Expack 3 if all goes well.

Other signs:

Precisely four major African regions could use a civ (Morocco, Ethiopia, Swahili Coast, Bight of Benin), and we have gotten only two African civs per expack.

Generally the American civs have been spread out. I am confident we will get both the Maya and a Caribbean/Colombian civ. Since they are too close to be released in the same expack, this suggests there will be two.

Asia is missing too much potential to be filled with one expack. Mughals/Timurids/Gurkani, Burma, and Vietnam?

So I think there is longer support planned here. I would also argue that the GS civs aren't so wacky as to suggest the devs have exhausted weird civ ideas or will have with only eight more.

 

[The Kingmaker]

In the good old days of Civ3-5, there was a lot of discussion about why this or that Civ might make it in the game, while some other Civ might not. This was primarily because we knew we had limited slots.

I honestly feel like the limits are gone now. I’m no longer considering certain civs as long-shots now that we have Mapuche, Georgia and Canada in the game.

I think they may honestly release anything they think people will buy. That means almost everything is on the table. There’s a couple options that might be more difficult to implement. But this is really the first time I’ve seen the Civ community waiting with bated breath for more content after an XP2.

As for leaders... thinking of Margaret brings up an interesting situation.

Queen Margaret leads Denmark... and Norway... and Sweden.

Maria Theresa leads Austria... and Germany... and Hungary.

Charlemagne leads Germany... and France... and Italy.

Forget two-Civ leaders and go for broke!

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Margaret would only lead Denmark and Norway, given that she was queen consort of Norway first, then queen regent of Denmark, then ruled both. She only ruled Sweden incidentally or by force and she isn't really associated with it as a national figure like in Norway. Case in point, Eleanor does not lead Ireland

Charlemagne is interesting because at the time the Franks and the Germans we're kind of the same thing, and he led both from Aachen. Is not two separate polities with two separate crowns, however the Carolingian empire did happen to have a second capital in Rome. So the real dichotomy is between the Franks and the Lombards, not France and Germany .I actually think there is a strong chance Charlemagne would only lead France and Italy, and not Germany since we already have a HRE leading that civ. Imo, a HRE who was more German and involved in German identity, no less.

I think Maria Teresa would also only lead Austria and Hungary along these lines. We don't have Victoria leading Scotland, etc. I personally think Austria has nothing interesting to add to the game, but if we got another 24, 30 civs who knows?

 

[The Kingmaker]

Although I may disagree with some of your assertions, I find the idea of a further 24-30 civs to be highly agreeable.

 

[Zaarin]

I personally think Austria has nothing interesting to add to the game

Yes, yes, you were talking about mechanically, but still.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Yes, yes, you were talking about mechanically, but still.

I fully acknowledge that this could still happen, as bored as I would be by it. That said, I think Austria would happen solely for Teresa's sake ala Alexander and Macedon. I think she is one of the few leaders who could be added simply for their own sake.

But, in all honesty, her legacy is mostly as a baby making machine and strategic pageant mom. So I would never miss her.

I will acknowledge the very valid counterpoint that, like Ireland and Denmark, Austria has no city state and is not part of any city list. So "space" still exists, even if it would necessitate finding non-Hungarian uniques.

But even if we presume that Austria is planned, we now have some FIVE European civs remaining. I just get the overwhelming impression that we will get a LOT of civs.