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Pre-ChaNES: Into the Void
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Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
And that, gentlemen, is the Carmentan Way.
Symphony D.
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Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
The people of the Independent Republic would not be opposed to some type of mutual defense agreement with the Planetary Republic of Bacchus. If our domestic independence was ensured, we might consider a confederation of some type.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Spoiler :
"Citizens of the Republic, the Interim President of Carmenta, Joseph Cantico."
"I apologize for overriding your local HUD channels, but at present the Solar Federation has jammed most public communications. Please allow me to take a moment of your time.
Several weeks prior, elected representatives from all across our fine planet met in Jefferson, to announce our withdrawal from the Solar Federation. Of course, we were long told that such a withdrawal could be accomplished peacefully. However, clinging to peace and accepting table scraps from Sol is the last refuge of the coward. For how many decades have we been promised a timetable and criteria for independence? For how many decades have we seen insufficient funding for the development of our planet? Simultaneously, what money the economy can generate has been siphoned off to ridiculous integration projects on Sol, and the expansion of a vast space fleet that the citizens of the Federation neither need, nor want.
Why does the "Solar Federation," as the dictatorship of Earth is so politely called, NEED hundreds of ships, costing trillions of dollars, to patrol the stars? To counter the threat of a China that is fleeing Sol as fast as it can run? To fight off a small and peaceful Interstellar Commonwealth? To repel the few and essentially meaningless pirate attacks that occassionally occur in isolated areas? No, the purpose of this vast military is self-evident. It exists to police the will of an Earth-based elite, to secure their economic interests and geopolitical goals. The Solar Federation has the trappings of a democracy, but it is an elaborate puppet show, balancing on the point of a bayonet. Frankly, this is unacceptable.
The masterminds of the Solar Federation threaten a blockade. Fair enough. Britain too attempted a blockade of the Thirteen Colonies, and we know how that ended. We were a colony of the United States of America. When that proud nation was essentially integrated as a subunit of the Solar Federation, were the American colonies consulted? Were we allowed a plebiscite to determine our ultimate fate? No. To Sol, we are just another point on the map, and another source of tax income to build another useless spaceship.
Frankly, the people of Carmenta want none of it. And we want none of their imperialist economic . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . any longer. We have the resources and the werewithal to engineer our survival as an independent state. And if the overlords of the "Federation" choose to bomb us from orbit, we shall see how long they last as a democratic entity.
Citizens of the Solar Federation, we wish you the best. But the people of Carmenta wish to define our own destiny. We are not part of your five-point plan for partial autonomy under the heel of Earth's kleptocracy.
Citizens of the Independent Republic of Carmenta, we face times of hardship and trial. But the result is freedom: Freedom today, freedom for our children, and freedom for all time. The day will come when all of humanity embraces that self-same freedom. And the name of Carmenta shall then ring true.
Carmenta, O Carmenta. My blood cries out for you."
From Republic of Bacchus
To Carmenta
As generally hardline as the Bacchan people are, we are not powerful on the international stage. We will maintain all trade relations with you but do not like the fact that you will be introducing another military. We had hoped for a untied Infinitas under a Bacchan Republic that was established and peaceful, but we see that is not possible. If the Bacchan government was to join a confederation we would join with the Interstellar Commonwealth to whom we share roots, culture, trade, and most social values.
We will not conflict with you, but again state our disappointment that there will be another military in Infintas and frankly your Rhetoric is even more aggressive than Bacchans can handle most of the time.
To Carmenta
As generally hardline as the Bacchan people are, we are not powerful on the international stage. We will maintain all trade relations with you but do not like the fact that you will be introducing another military. We had hoped for a untied Infinitas under a Bacchan Republic that was established and peaceful, but we see that is not possible. If the Bacchan government was to join a confederation we would join with the Interstellar Commonwealth to whom we share roots, culture, trade, and most social values.
We will not conflict with you, but again state our disappointment that there will be another military in Infintas and frankly your Rhetoric is even more aggressive than Bacchans can handle most of the time.
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das
Regeneration In Process
The funny thing is, American Infinitas already tried to launch a ******** (in both senses of the word) rebellion a while ago. Then the colonial governor, who was just about the only one interested in the rebellion, changed his mind - to the joy and relief of the administration and the populace alike.
Something tells me that Mr. Cantico will be hanging on a lamp post before too long if he isn't thrown out of the window by his secretaries before that.
Something tells me that Mr. Cantico will be hanging on a lamp post before too long if he isn't thrown out of the window by his secretaries before that.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Unfortunately, the Independent Republic of Carmenta views the province of the Solar Federation called the United States of America to be PART of the problem. Whether or not the official governing body is declared to be the USA or SolFed, SolFed has the guns. To quote a Haitian saying, "Constitutions are paper, but bayonets are steel."
With Carmenta's improving ecology and dedicated population, we believe that self-sufficiency and TRUE liberty will soon be achieved. Sol's "assistance" is not required. We hope that the Solar Federation sees reason and accepts our immediate withdrawal, fully understanding that we have no territorial ambitions outside of planetary control.
With Carmenta's improving ecology and dedicated population, we believe that self-sufficiency and TRUE liberty will soon be achieved. Sol's "assistance" is not required. We hope that the Solar Federation sees reason and accepts our immediate withdrawal, fully understanding that we have no territorial ambitions outside of planetary control.
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OOC: Basically this is why Bacchus is not signing anything with Carmentia. We have 3 factions and while all are fanatical in defense of the Homeland we are not aggressive per se. Carmentia appears to be aggressive and we do not want war. (And since 2 of the factions do not really support the idea of Carmentia being not a part of the Republic...)
das
Regeneration In Process
OOC: Symphony, I'm quite sure he replied to you, not to me. Which, ofcourse, makes his case look even worse than it would have been otherwise, but there you go.
Government in Closed Session to Discuss the Recent Events on Carmentia
The parliament and presidential cabinet have been meeting non-stop since the announcement of the governor of Carmentia. They have rebuffed all officials sent by Carmentia with the simple statement that trade will continue, but no agreements are being signed at this time.
No one in the media is quite sure what is going on behind the doors as security has been very tight and as one unnamed source put it We are trying to determine what the consequences of all actions will be.
Out going President Isabella Soto in the last few months of her term has made an official statement regarding the announcement.
Infinitas has been a peaceful and mostly stable system since its colonization by various powers from Sol. There were troubles which lead to the creation of the Republic of Bacchus, but we feel that since then things have gone smoothly for Infinitas as there has been no war and even now there are cordial relations between the colonies, Republic of Bacchus, and the powers from Sol. While deep down most Bacchans believed that the people of Carmentia would eventually join the Republic peacefully and create a united Infinitas under a stable and peaceful government dedicated to keeping it that way, this ideal image has now crumbled.
To begin we do not know what the sentiment is on Carmentia and if this announcement will even become official or if the government of Carmentia will withdraw this declaration as has happened in the past. As we have dealt with this before the Republic is wary of entering into any agreement with Carmentia.
We also are unsure of what is exactly transpiring on the colonies of Carmentia. The official statements have us concerned that there may be conflict going on in Carmentia or that at least their rhetoric is confusing and inflammatory to say the least.
The Bacchan people are staunch in their defense of the Republic, but are also and more importantly proud of the fact that we had a peaceful and overall easy transition to independence thanks to the understanding and cooperation from the EU. Carmentia appears to be taking a different approach; one that does not mesh with our beliefs and feelings.
Until we are certain what is actually going on in Carmentia and what the United States of America, and possibly the Solar Federation are doing we remove ourselves from the situation.
We also know that many Bacchans have friends and family on the American or Former American colonies and we hope that come what may they are fine.
President Soto went on to say that anyone from Carmentia with relatives or who wish to stay away from the situation are welcome to come to the Republic of Bacchus and stay until the situation is calm or permanently if that is their wish, immigration officials have been told to expedite anyone from the Carmentia to get either a long term visa or permanent residence as requested.
The government has not made any official statement since awaiting it appears more information and official statements from the USA and Solar Federation.
We of course will continue to follow the story as it develops.
The parliament and presidential cabinet have been meeting non-stop since the announcement of the governor of Carmentia. They have rebuffed all officials sent by Carmentia with the simple statement that trade will continue, but no agreements are being signed at this time.
No one in the media is quite sure what is going on behind the doors as security has been very tight and as one unnamed source put it We are trying to determine what the consequences of all actions will be.
Out going President Isabella Soto in the last few months of her term has made an official statement regarding the announcement.
Infinitas has been a peaceful and mostly stable system since its colonization by various powers from Sol. There were troubles which lead to the creation of the Republic of Bacchus, but we feel that since then things have gone smoothly for Infinitas as there has been no war and even now there are cordial relations between the colonies, Republic of Bacchus, and the powers from Sol. While deep down most Bacchans believed that the people of Carmentia would eventually join the Republic peacefully and create a united Infinitas under a stable and peaceful government dedicated to keeping it that way, this ideal image has now crumbled.
To begin we do not know what the sentiment is on Carmentia and if this announcement will even become official or if the government of Carmentia will withdraw this declaration as has happened in the past. As we have dealt with this before the Republic is wary of entering into any agreement with Carmentia.
We also are unsure of what is exactly transpiring on the colonies of Carmentia. The official statements have us concerned that there may be conflict going on in Carmentia or that at least their rhetoric is confusing and inflammatory to say the least.
The Bacchan people are staunch in their defense of the Republic, but are also and more importantly proud of the fact that we had a peaceful and overall easy transition to independence thanks to the understanding and cooperation from the EU. Carmentia appears to be taking a different approach; one that does not mesh with our beliefs and feelings.
Until we are certain what is actually going on in Carmentia and what the United States of America, and possibly the Solar Federation are doing we remove ourselves from the situation.
We also know that many Bacchans have friends and family on the American or Former American colonies and we hope that come what may they are fine.
President Soto went on to say that anyone from Carmentia with relatives or who wish to stay away from the situation are welcome to come to the Republic of Bacchus and stay until the situation is calm or permanently if that is their wish, immigration officials have been told to expedite anyone from the Carmentia to get either a long term visa or permanent residence as requested.
The government has not made any official statement since awaiting it appears more information and official statements from the USA and Solar Federation.
We of course will continue to follow the story as it develops.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Symphony, your level of annoyance is slightly amusing. Let's remind ourselves that we're playing a game here. And of course, ad hominem is hardly fun, but hey, feel free to keep at it!
Firstly, Symphony, I was replying to das' statement. In whatever context it was delievered, consider it a response to a statement given by an "official of the Chinese government" or however you'd like to interpret it. I was attempting to distinguish between an abortive, "******** rebellion" launched by an American governor, and one with significant popular support.
Did I give any implication that I was specifically responding to you, by quoting, mentioning your name, or anything else? Not really. So great, we're taking grammar nazism to the next level. GG!
Again, the IC view of Carmenta is that the United States is part of SolFed, which it is, and therefore doesn't acknowledge distinctions between an American military and that of the Solar Federation.
I'd like to remind you not to associate the qualities of a country THAT I PLAY with my personal qualities as a player or an individual. It's not welcome.
It does make sense that an attempt at humor might be lost on someone taking everything a little too seriously.
So, to clarify it, we are a rebellion. That implies a level of violence, no? In addition, we are a populist secession. Last time I checked, that'd been done before...in America.
Firstly, Symphony, I was replying to das' statement. In whatever context it was delievered, consider it a response to a statement given by an "official of the Chinese government" or however you'd like to interpret it. I was attempting to distinguish between an abortive, "******** rebellion" launched by an American governor, and one with significant popular support.
Did I give any implication that I was specifically responding to you, by quoting, mentioning your name, or anything else? Not really. So great, we're taking grammar nazism to the next level. GG!
Again, the IC view of Carmenta is that the United States is part of SolFed, which it is, and therefore doesn't acknowledge distinctions between an American military and that of the Solar Federation.
I'd like to remind you not to associate the qualities of a country THAT I PLAY with my personal qualities as a player or an individual. It's not welcome.
It does make sense that an attempt at humor might be lost on someone taking everything a little too seriously.
So, to clarify it, we are a rebellion. That implies a level of violence, no? In addition, we are a populist secession. Last time I checked, that'd been done before...in America.
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North King
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Guys, cut the crap and take it out of the thread. There's no reason we need to have this kind of argument here.
Chandrasekhar
Determined
Well, to be fair, it does relate to current events in the NES, so there's no better place to put it. If you're talking about the rather flammable tone of the conversation, I suppose I can't disagree, though that sort of thing seems inevitable in the first place.
das
Regeneration In Process
Um, what? How so?
Where in your reply is there anything remotely connected to that?
In any case, whether you are a local government attempting to secede or a grassroots movement, how do you expect to find the support necessary to even get to the part where you hold a press conference, much less actually stay in power for more than a week? I seriously doubt that most people in Carmenta would want to severe their ties with the USA, or that they view it as subordinated to the SolFed to any inordinate amount. A bunch of paranoid space rednecks, sure. Note that they would seem if anything much less trustworthy than the SolFed to your average Carmentan, having come out of nowhere to basically usurp power.
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