Pre-ChaNES: Into the Void

[Thlayli]

Um, what? How so?

The part where you called it 'American Infinitas'. We were trying to distinguish between the past, where America was the colonizing agent, to the present, where it (along with the rest of the SolFed apparatus) has prevented self-government for decades.

In any case, whether you are a local government attempting to secede or a grassroots movement, how do you expect to find the support necessary to even get to the part where you hold a press conference, much less actually stay in power for more than a week? I seriously doubt that most people in Carmenta would want to severe their ties with the USA, or that they view it as subordinated to the SolFed to any inordinate amount. A bunch of paranoid space rednecks, sure. Note that they would seem if anything much less trustworthy than the SolFed to your average Carmentan, having come out of nowhere to basically usurp power.

The update:

On nearby Carmenta, the separatist attitude coalesced somewhat in the first half of the 2140's. The loyal, Earth-appointed colonial government, combined with the Solar Federation's strong stance on its member states' colonial possessions, meant that a disorganized push for independence wouldn't work, as it had on Bacchus - a fact that Carmenta's separatist masterminds surely recognized.

In 2143, an organization styling itself as a "shadow government" was formed, with significant (though not majority) support among the Carmentans. Carmenta, somewhat surprisingly, was a strongly pro-ethnic streaming region of SolFed control, a point of division with the more ambivalent Bacchans. Thus, the shadow government did not favor a union with Bacchus, instead advocating that the Solar Federation be pressed to specifically name its criteria for a colony to gain independence, so that an agreed timetable for the Carmenta's independence could be decided.

Why the shadow government decided to move to direct action rather than wait another 50 years for a timetable recommending a phased withdrawal plan is anyone's guess.

 

[das]

Right. Should've figured that you would be up to your old tricks again.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

OOC: I just realized that I've forgotten, what were the fates of the European Union's colonies on Carmenta?

 

[Adrogans]

OOC: well as our statement says they are welcome to come to Bacchus and stay or go back to Earth from there. We will facilitate any civilian who wishes to leave the situation. But I really want to know what is going on at Carmentia too...

 

[Chandrasekhar]

Wait for the update, folks. Don't hold your breath, though. This one's going to take awhile.

 

[Ekolite]

Tyrelia will accept european civilians that have been displaced from Carmenta and are unwilling or unable to return to Earth.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Private Message to Tyrelia from Europe- Why Just Europeans? Certainly all refugees can be accomodated.

 

[Ekolite]

I understood that it was only the Europeans being displaced? You asked what were the fates of the European Union's colonies on Carmenta? So I offered to accept refugees.

We will not, of course, turn non-europeans away after their long journey to our system. We will welcome any refugees.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

OOC: I was noting that I was unsure of what had become of the European Colonies on Carmenta.

IC:

Message from Yvonne Regiral, President of the European Commission, Representing the European Union of the Interstellar Commonwealth

Regarding Carmenta

I call for peace, coolheadedness, and discourse, and encourage fellow leaders of the Commonwealth to the same.

Suppression of a small group of violent rebels is an understandable action, but the suppression of a large population desiring independence is not an action that belongs in this day and age.

Carmenta is one of the oldest of humanity's colonies- perhaps its time has come, like its sibling planet of Bacchus.

Or perhaps, this is not such a time.

At any rate, open discussion must take place, lest terrible bloodshed be brought upon the population of Carmenta.

 

[Thlayli]

From: The Independent Republic of Carmenta
To: The Interstellar Commonwealth

While we regret the necessity of targeted action to remove oppressive forces from the Planet of Carmenta, we welcome this call for peace.

 

[Symphony D.]

Retroactive deletion.

 

[sp1023]

**** Wrong thread. Sorry.

 

[Thlayli]

Just keeping this on the first page, as per Chand's request.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

Wait, did I explicitly request that? Oh well, I certainly don't mind. Not much progress to note so far, though.

 

[Thlayli]

I think it's in thread somewhere that you didn't want it falling to the second page.

 

[Azale]

Second page bump

 

[Symphony D.]

Retroactive deletion.

 

[Niklas]

Merry Christmas to you too Symph!

 

[Chandrasekhar]

I actually laughed out loud at that. Alright, I'm on my break, and I believe I've succeeded at burning myself out on the newest release of Fall from Heaven II, so an update may be forthcoming sometime in the broadly foreseeable future.

 

[alex994]

OOC: Symphony is hilarious