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I made a thing for Florida. :3
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I made a thing for Florida. :3
Bair_the_Normal
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Revised.
1. Oregonian Republic: Because I quite want to guide a politically volatile new world nation sitting between two powers with comparatively little agency on its own. Alternatively, my actual reason for wanting to control Oregon is its unique status as a Francophone tabula rasa of sorts. Due to the greatly divergent history in the region, I would take immense pleasure designing and detailing alternative regions, metropolises, and cultural phenomena that such a unique, distinct nation would have.That being said, should I get Oregon, I would decidedly be solidly on the flavor and cultural development side of things.
2. Nagpur: I guess because it seems relatively low effort.
3. Nepal: ^
This being said here's some basic stuff for Oregon I've drawn up:
1. Oregonian Republic: Because I quite want to guide a politically volatile new world nation sitting between two powers with comparatively little agency on its own. Alternatively, my actual reason for wanting to control Oregon is its unique status as a Francophone tabula rasa of sorts. Due to the greatly divergent history in the region, I would take immense pleasure designing and detailing alternative regions, metropolises, and cultural phenomena that such a unique, distinct nation would have.That being said, should I get Oregon, I would decidedly be solidly on the flavor and cultural development side of things.
2. Nagpur: I guess because it seems relatively low effort.
3. Nepal: ^
This being said here's some basic stuff for Oregon I've drawn up:
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1.) The United States of America
Americans, however secular, tend to think of themselves as citizens of a nation with a certain divine providence, one that may take wrong turns but always finds its way back, one in which justice prevails in the end.
--Paul Krugman, 11/11/2016
~
We hold these truths to be self-evident -- that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
-Thomas Jefferson, 6/11/1776
The year 1950 sees the shattered United States turn to a yet another military man, to restore the hope and faith of a battered nation. The job of putting together a government capable of living up to its lofty ideals, however, may be at this late date too far out of reach, even for a man as widely respected as Dwight David Eisenhower.
2.) The Democratic Republic of China
The empire, long united, must divide; long divided, must unite.
Economically, the DRC is the strongest Chinese successor state -- the Beijing-Harbin-Haishenwai triangle is Asia's largest industrial region, and Beijing its third largest equity market (behind Tokyo and Singapore). To date, however, the DRC has been unable to translate that economic success into military capabilities; thanks to a decade of underinvestment, the capabilities of DRC military equipment is significantly less capable than comparable Korean or Japanese versions. While the DRC has been backstopped by the Japanese army so far, that ability may not survive the next decade.
3.) The Republic of Westphalia
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brueder,
Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt.
Frankfurt has not squandered the opportunities provided by membership in the EEC. Westphalian capital is heavily committed all over the Four Germanies and Czechia, and has begun making inroads in the Netherlands and Switzerland; Westphalian investment have saved thousands of jobs in Saxony and kept Bavaria's national champion BMW in business. Westphalia is well-placed to begin reaping the fruits of that investment, financial or otherwise.
Americans, however secular, tend to think of themselves as citizens of a nation with a certain divine providence, one that may take wrong turns but always finds its way back, one in which justice prevails in the end.
--Paul Krugman, 11/11/2016
~
We hold these truths to be self-evident -- that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
-Thomas Jefferson, 6/11/1776
The year 1950 sees the shattered United States turn to a yet another military man, to restore the hope and faith of a battered nation. The job of putting together a government capable of living up to its lofty ideals, however, may be at this late date too far out of reach, even for a man as widely respected as Dwight David Eisenhower.
2.) The Democratic Republic of China
The empire, long united, must divide; long divided, must unite.
Economically, the DRC is the strongest Chinese successor state -- the Beijing-Harbin-Haishenwai triangle is Asia's largest industrial region, and Beijing its third largest equity market (behind Tokyo and Singapore). To date, however, the DRC has been unable to translate that economic success into military capabilities; thanks to a decade of underinvestment, the capabilities of DRC military equipment is significantly less capable than comparable Korean or Japanese versions. While the DRC has been backstopped by the Japanese army so far, that ability may not survive the next decade.
3.) The Republic of Westphalia
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brueder,
Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt.
Frankfurt has not squandered the opportunities provided by membership in the EEC. Westphalian capital is heavily committed all over the Four Germanies and Czechia, and has begun making inroads in the Netherlands and Switzerland; Westphalian investment have saved thousands of jobs in Saxony and kept Bavaria's national champion BMW in business. Westphalia is well-placed to begin reaping the fruits of that investment, financial or otherwise.
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Proper sign up, disregard the first one.
1. Mexico: Politicking the American nations and South America while also balancing against Japan in the Pacific looks incredibly fun. Main goal though is, of course, SPACE. (in my head this is also somehow the sequel to nuke's Superpowers after Mexico finishes wrecking the US)
2. Canada: Same idea as Mexico, maneouvering around the north american nations opposite Mexico looks super fun. Canada has the added fun of being more isolated, so it'd be fun to focus more on domestic development.
3. Ottomans: I have an Ottoman fetish. Centre of world, lots of enemies, endless shadowy politicking. Good stuff.
4. Siam: Playing a middling power trying to balance between the influences of Japan/South Wales/Mexico while competing with neighbours seems like it would be a lot of fun.
5. Union of Turkestan: Competing for Siberia seems entertaining.
1. Mexico: Politicking the American nations and South America while also balancing against Japan in the Pacific looks incredibly fun. Main goal though is, of course, SPACE. (in my head this is also somehow the sequel to nuke's Superpowers after Mexico finishes wrecking the US)
2. Canada: Same idea as Mexico, maneouvering around the north american nations opposite Mexico looks super fun. Canada has the added fun of being more isolated, so it'd be fun to focus more on domestic development.
3. Ottomans: I have an Ottoman fetish. Centre of world, lots of enemies, endless shadowy politicking. Good stuff.
4. Siam: Playing a middling power trying to balance between the influences of Japan/South Wales/Mexico while competing with neighbours seems like it would be a lot of fun.
5. Union of Turkestan: Competing for Siberia seems entertaining.
inthesomeday
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1 (if possible): The socialist revolutionaries in the Philippines
-I am an Ilocano (Filipino ethnicity) socialist revolutionary
-I love the idea of developing what starts as a client state into a powerhouse in the Cold War era, especially in my homeland, and I also love the idea of starting as a guerrilla movement challenging a Western colonial government
2 (if possible): Philippines (status quo)
-I am an Ilocano (Filipino ethnicity) -- um -- guy
-I can also handle being the colonial government, if that's allowed. I'll be a toadie it'll be fun
3: Latin Africa
-Alternatively I could have fun with a demented post fascist racist state that is in turmoil and has the denunciations of most civilized nations of the world, could be fun right
4: Tibet
-Modernization during this period would be excellent, dealing with aspects like education, technology, transportation, industrialization, etc
-Also the setting which may lead to boiling over war will make the impressive Himalayan natural defenses interesting
5: Ottoman Empire
-Fun
-I am an Ilocano (Filipino ethnicity) socialist revolutionary
-I love the idea of developing what starts as a client state into a powerhouse in the Cold War era, especially in my homeland, and I also love the idea of starting as a guerrilla movement challenging a Western colonial government
2 (if possible): Philippines (status quo)
-I am an Ilocano (Filipino ethnicity) -- um -- guy
-I can also handle being the colonial government, if that's allowed. I'll be a toadie it'll be fun
3: Latin Africa
-Alternatively I could have fun with a demented post fascist racist state that is in turmoil and has the denunciations of most civilized nations of the world, could be fun right
4: Tibet
-Modernization during this period would be excellent, dealing with aspects like education, technology, transportation, industrialization, etc
-Also the setting which may lead to boiling over war will make the impressive Himalayan natural defenses interesting
5: Ottoman Empire
-Fun
Zappericus
Euro scumbag
1. The Franco-British Union
I've never played a major power in games like these, and I'd like to give it a try. Also, as a European I feel obligated to play as Europe høhø
2. Italy
Always been a fan of the Italian culture and their history.
3. The Scandinavian Empire
Is my home, so I want to make stronk northern europe
4. Canada
cuz o canada
5. Peru-Bolivia
I played as Bolivia once in Blackened Skies. I liked it
I've never played a major power in games like these, and I'd like to give it a try. Also, as a European I feel obligated to play as Europe høhø
2. Italy
Always been a fan of the Italian culture and their history.
3. The Scandinavian Empire
Is my home, so I want to make stronk northern europe
4. Canada
cuz o canada
5. Peru-Bolivia
I played as Bolivia once in Blackened Skies. I liked it
1. Republic of Arkansas
The combination of the oddity that is an independent Arkansas and its geopolitical situation as a buffer state between Mexico and the US is what makes Arkansas interesting to me. I enjoy playing minor nations in odd places, and would like to see what can be achieved in the Land of Opportunity.
2. Kingdom of Finland
I was considering Scandinavia as it's a nation in my home neighbourhood so to say, but I'd rather not handle that colonial empire and I like the Greater Finland potential that Finland has in this game so: eläköön Suomi!
3. Portuguese Democratic People's Republic
I'm thinking it could be fun to try and make it as the only socialist state in Europe.
The combination of the oddity that is an independent Arkansas and its geopolitical situation as a buffer state between Mexico and the US is what makes Arkansas interesting to me. I enjoy playing minor nations in odd places, and would like to see what can be achieved in the Land of Opportunity.
2. Kingdom of Finland
I was considering Scandinavia as it's a nation in my home neighbourhood so to say, but I'd rather not handle that colonial empire and I like the Greater Finland potential that Finland has in this game so: eläköön Suomi!
3. Portuguese Democratic People's Republic
I'm thinking it could be fun to try and make it as the only socialist state in Europe.
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
I'm really sorry, as much as I would love for either of these things to happen I'm afraid it's something that just isn't possible (as I can't really see playable colonial governments being workable with what I have)
What I can do, though, is give you something else for now, with the caveat that if a playable country does arise in the Philippines later on, I'll give you first preference for that. Does that work? (Feel free to adjust your choices if you want)
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inthesomeday
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That's alright. I may then apply for Japan but only if nobody else wants it. Something like
1 Japan (if nobody else wants it)
2 Tibet
3 Missouri
4 Latin Africa
5 Ottomans, Italy, Scandinavia, USA would all be fine too
1 Japan (if nobody else wants it)
2 Tibet
3 Missouri
4 Latin Africa
5 Ottomans, Italy, Scandinavia, USA would all be fine too
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Cool. I'm going to go ahead and give some minor non-power countries out right now, based on the thread and some conversations I've had with people.
Arkansas: Gurra09
Bengal: bonefang
Florida: Johanna
Netherlands: JamesCaesar
Oregon: Bair_the_Normal
ZAR: Civ'ed
Thanks again everyone who has signed up/expressed interest thus far! Ideally I'd like to get upwards of 30 players before I launch (I believe I have approximately 17 right now)
Arkansas: Gurra09
Bengal: bonefang
Florida: Johanna
Netherlands: JamesCaesar
Oregon: Bair_the_Normal
ZAR: Civ'ed
Thanks again everyone who has signed up/expressed interest thus far! Ideally I'd like to get upwards of 30 players before I launch (I believe I have approximately 17 right now)
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Sign up post updated. If that helps
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
lay your hands off my Argentina
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Cool. FYI though I won't be assigning any powers at all, great or secondary, until closer to the end of this week.
Oh also, if you are interested but worried about time right now - the game won't be starting for a good while. I forget if I said this in the OP but it won't launch until either the end of this month or early December.
Oh also, if you are interested but worried about time right now - the game won't be starting for a good while. I forget if I said this in the OP but it won't launch until either the end of this month or early December.
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Hey, @SouthernKing - let me know if you need a considerate and strong player to play a particular role in your game. I don't have very strong favorites (so far, at least - still reading the background), but I volunteer to play whichever role you want me to fill.
1. Franko-British Union OR Mexico OR Japan. I don't feel particularly strong about either of these nations, but I want, for a change, to play a responsible, mentally stable, pragmatist great power that's capable of protecting its interests while also keeping the world in a state of contained geopolitical competition. In other words, I want to make sure that this game doesn't spiral out of control and into a nuclear holocaust after Turn 1. It's a Cold War game, after all, and IOT strategies tend to go DEFCON 5 pretty much from the start.
2. The Ottomans OR the Intermarium. Again, I don't feel very emotionally attached to either (although Intermarium is slightly more interesting), but I want to play a responsible regional power who doesn't act like a raving loon with a knife.
3. SouthernKing's choice. I'm at the point of my IOT gamer's life when I feel like I want to be given a role that I will adjust my playing style to rather than select a nation based on my emotional attachment to it. When I get emotionally attached to IOT nations, those IOT games die. *wink-wink*
1. Franko-British Union OR Mexico OR Japan. I don't feel particularly strong about either of these nations, but I want, for a change, to play a responsible, mentally stable, pragmatist great power that's capable of protecting its interests while also keeping the world in a state of contained geopolitical competition. In other words, I want to make sure that this game doesn't spiral out of control and into a nuclear holocaust after Turn 1. It's a Cold War game, after all, and IOT strategies tend to go DEFCON 5 pretty much from the start.
2. The Ottomans OR the Intermarium. Again, I don't feel very emotionally attached to either (although Intermarium is slightly more interesting), but I want to play a responsible regional power who doesn't act like a raving loon with a knife.
3. SouthernKing's choice. I'm at the point of my IOT gamer's life when I feel like I want to be given a role that I will adjust my playing style to rather than select a nation based on my emotional attachment to it. When I get emotionally attached to IOT nations, those IOT games die. *wink-wink*
jackelgull
An aberration of nature
1. Ottoman Empire (Please, please, please, I want to play a major Islamic power)
2. Mexico (My sociology class has taught me how American military and economic might has worked to keep Latin America in subjugation. I'm mildly interested to see what would happen if these tactics were applied in reverse.)
3. Indianna (I have mentioned my fascination with the movie Tecumseh's dream right?)
2. Mexico (My sociology class has taught me how American military and economic might has worked to keep Latin America in subjugation. I'm mildly interested to see what would happen if these tactics were applied in reverse.)
3. Indianna (I have mentioned my fascination with the movie Tecumseh's dream right?)
Two questions to @SouthernKing :
- What's the technological development of the world? I see that nuclear bombs exist, and so do airplanes and tanks. Yet, I'm not quite clear if TTL 1950 technology is the same as OTL 1950 technology.
- Most of Siberia and Arabic desert is not marked as belonging to anyone, and I have no idea what it signifies. Not colonized, since the 16th century? Abandoned? If yes, why? That particularly made me question what level of technological development we're talking about.
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
@Ahigin
As far as i understand it it is almost exactly at the technological level of 1950s.
Siberia is marked as not belonging to anyone as Russian Imperial government has fallen with no clear successor to replace its hold on Siberia. Siberian region is akin to a failed state with anarchy being the rule of the land.
Arabic desert should theoretically belong to Ottomans but I don't think they care about the region enough at the moment to really police the region, with nomadic Arabians mostly ruling themselves.
As far as i understand it it is almost exactly at the technological level of 1950s.
Siberia is marked as not belonging to anyone as Russian Imperial government has fallen with no clear successor to replace its hold on Siberia. Siberian region is akin to a failed state with anarchy being the rule of the land.
Arabic desert should theoretically belong to Ottomans but I don't think they care about the region enough at the moment to really police the region, with nomadic Arabians mostly ruling themselves.
I have considered it, but I can't find any indications for this in the history doc. Siberia is literally the only part of Russia that was not ravaged by two major wars and a nuclear bombing. If anything, that part of Russia should be the only one with more or less functional provisional governments, even though I agree they'd be independent from Moscow, Yekaterinburg, or Petrograd.
If SK wants, I can help him set up a few interesting alternate successor states in Siberia. Not insisting, of course; just offering.
BTW, while we're talking about Siberia - I noticed that the map doesn't always match the country descriptions. Japan is mentioned to control Magadan, and Mongolia is said to hold Irkutsk. That's not what the map is showing. Again, not critical, but either the map or the descriptions need to be slightly edited, in my mind.
P.S. Don't intend to sound overly critical, of course. I think SK did a great job with his alternate timeline, and I'd love to play the game regardless of those features.
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Hi all. I've been lurking the forums for quite a while, and wanted to throw my hat into the arena for once.
1. New England: As I come from this corner of the world it seems to be the most fitting, and the ideal state for a beginner with a little bit of everything. Homeland of Benjamin Franklin, the Rockefeller's, the Kennedy's, New England has vast potential. One I plan to tap into through courting both foreign and domestic investors, mending a broken political scene, and expressing New Englander culture and pride. Equally as likely, watch helplessly as the nation is sundered by opposing Mexican and Canadian interests. Both paths sound enjoyable for me.
2. Juliana: I like the idea of Juliana. A predominantly cultural and story game. Observing the other powers of the world do their thing.
3. Czechia: A nice small nation surrounded by far more dominant powers in a violate area of the world. Ideally, can pull off a Switzerland-lite.
4. Swabia: Honestly, I just like the name.
1. New England: As I come from this corner of the world it seems to be the most fitting, and the ideal state for a beginner with a little bit of everything. Homeland of Benjamin Franklin, the Rockefeller's, the Kennedy's, New England has vast potential. One I plan to tap into through courting both foreign and domestic investors, mending a broken political scene, and expressing New Englander culture and pride. Equally as likely, watch helplessly as the nation is sundered by opposing Mexican and Canadian interests. Both paths sound enjoyable for me.
2. Juliana: I like the idea of Juliana. A predominantly cultural and story game. Observing the other powers of the world do their thing.
3. Czechia: A nice small nation surrounded by far more dominant powers in a violate area of the world. Ideally, can pull off a Switzerland-lite.
4. Swabia: Honestly, I just like the name.
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Welcome to the forums, Spagetty!
Anyway, @Ahigin
Seon's right on most of this. (Sorry for slow response, it's been a busy day)
1. In most regards, it's about the same; military technology in general we can assume to be about the state it was in during the OTL Korean War. The hydrogen bomb hasn't been created yet. The only major divergences I can think of from the top of my head, would be things like eugenics and early 20th century racial psuedoscience not having been completely discredited, as there was no real equivalent here to the Nazis to really do that. If you want a more detailed answer ask me about more specific fields, since it's hard for me to give a broad picture of everything.
2. I should have probably clarified on this earlier. Both of these are territories that don't belong to any significant state, yeah. In Arabia's case it's because no Saudi-like state was ever allowed the opportunity to rise to power, and neither the Ottomans nor East India have ever had any real desire to make an effort to control the interior of the peninsula, so what authority there is in the area is local and decentralised.
In Siberia's case, yes, no one controls it either. In my mind, after the the end of the last war, the collapsing Russian government lost control of it. Since the area was extremely vast and decentralised, Siberia didn't come under a functioning government and therefore effectively no one controls it. (I'm not opposed to having a Siberian state, and actually early on I had one, but someone convinced me that it was unfeasible; I can still change this if I'm convinced otherwise, it's not too late. And don't worry about sounding overly critical, I'd actually really appreciate help with this!)
Japan and Mongolia not being reflected on the map is my mistake - apparently, when I did update that part of the world, it didn't save. I'll fix that in the coming days (as I will the Aral Sea, Lake Chad, and a couple other minor things as well).
Anyway, @Ahigin
Seon's right on most of this. (Sorry for slow response, it's been a busy day)
1. In most regards, it's about the same; military technology in general we can assume to be about the state it was in during the OTL Korean War. The hydrogen bomb hasn't been created yet. The only major divergences I can think of from the top of my head, would be things like eugenics and early 20th century racial psuedoscience not having been completely discredited, as there was no real equivalent here to the Nazis to really do that. If you want a more detailed answer ask me about more specific fields, since it's hard for me to give a broad picture of everything.
2. I should have probably clarified on this earlier. Both of these are territories that don't belong to any significant state, yeah. In Arabia's case it's because no Saudi-like state was ever allowed the opportunity to rise to power, and neither the Ottomans nor East India have ever had any real desire to make an effort to control the interior of the peninsula, so what authority there is in the area is local and decentralised.
In Siberia's case, yes, no one controls it either. In my mind, after the the end of the last war, the collapsing Russian government lost control of it. Since the area was extremely vast and decentralised, Siberia didn't come under a functioning government and therefore effectively no one controls it. (I'm not opposed to having a Siberian state, and actually early on I had one, but someone convinced me that it was unfeasible; I can still change this if I'm convinced otherwise, it's not too late. And don't worry about sounding overly critical, I'd actually really appreciate help with this!)
Japan and Mongolia not being reflected on the map is my mistake - apparently, when I did update that part of the world, it didn't save. I'll fix that in the coming days (as I will the Aral Sea, Lake Chad, and a couple other minor things as well).
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