Crezth
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Enact policy to that end. For example, if you wanted a Federation, you might draft a new constitution officially incorporating all the realms as sovereign underneath a federal authority. Or something.
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Enact policy to that end. For example, if you wanted a Federation, you might draft a new constitution officially incorporating all the realms as sovereign underneath a federal authority. Or something.
Seon
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Enacting policies cost EPs too is that correct?
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Yes. Almost anything you can think of to do will require resources to see about its implementation.
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Even firing government workers?
JohannaK
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Especially firing government workers. With all the pension programs and unemployment benefits, you want to keep them in your payroll until they die.
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Look at Mr. Welfare State over here.
Crezth
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Hehe. I'll try to make a standardized pricing table sometime this week that will clarify some of the spending rules/give examples. Most projects you won't have to budget for if you don't want to: just tell me what you want to accomplish and a range of EP's you're willing to part with to make it happen.
Thought I may as well post this here
United States of America
Capital: Columbia (same location as OTL-Washington D.C.)
The 13 “Great States” of America: Despite the victory in the 4th Anglo-American War, the nation entered in a crisis. Casualties were monstrously high, the federal government was in severe debt, trade with Japan and Asia had been greatly disturbed by British raiding, and there was rioting over back pay due to soldiers. Facing the potential for collapse, a second Constitutional Convention was called at behest of the governors, and the union was greatly reworked in favor of the states. Larger, “Great States” capable of resisting the federal government were created, and the electoral vote system was reorganized into needing to win a plurality of Great States. The Great State’s presidential vote would be determined by the state legislature, and the process has significantly reduced the power of the average voter in favor of the moneyed elites. The convention calls for 13 States, equal in size, and has mechanisms for a new convention to be called if needed to reorganize the states.
New Caledonia: The former New England area. a sort of repressed state because the northern abolitionists and anti-southerners are in strength here. Industrialized and much more socially liberal than the South. This is a troubled region that detests the administration and more or less charts its own policy, ignoring Washington. Currently under a Republican governor who is planning on joining the anti Democrat coalition to elect a Progressive to the White House.
Jeffersonia: The Pacific seaboard. Very heavy population of Japanese and Chinese immigrants, as well as second and third generation Asian-Americans, and even those of mixed White-Asian ancestry. Jackson (formerly known as San Francisco) is easily the largest city in the region, and is now one of the largest in the country. Decidedly more liberal than the rest of the country, especially on matters of racial equality, and the least religious. Currently under a Progressive governor.
Texas: American southwest (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada). Much of the population is concentrated in the eastern part of this state, especially around Houston. A recent oil boom has seen a major uptick in immigration, but for much of the rest of the state, the population is far flung and small. Many in East Texas complain about the cost of administering these far flung territories, while everyone else complains about busybodies from Austin running everyone’s affairs from far away. There is heavy resentment here, and there has been talk of trying to reorganize the state, though in the current situation, the rest of the state would not be populous enough to warrant a new state on its own. Currently dealing with some migration issues from Mexicans fleeing civil war. Currently under a Democrat governor, though Progressives are on the rise in the west.
Allegheny: Virginia (West included), North Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee. This region is an industrial powerhouse for the country, with coal mining in the northwest and Kentucky, and factory towns in Virginia and North Carolina. Allegheny does have some of the richest and some of the poorest people (particularly Tennessee) in the country, and there exists some tension between those who live on the coast and those who live inland, though the coastal inhabitants are very happy with the current state of affairs. Allegheny is one of the more prestigious states still, but Gotham’s recovery, as well as the growth of Jeffersonia has diminished its status. Currently under a Democrat governor.
Tidewater: South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. A much more agricultural state than Allegheny, Tidewater is the picture of the antebellum south. Savannah and Charleston are strong commercial centers, and Atlanta is a major factory city. Aside from that though, Tidewater is dominated by massive plantations and has a very large black population to work said plantations. Tidewater has the strictest racial laws in the country, and a black making eye contact with a white is a punishable offense. Currently under a Democrat governor and has some of the most reactionary social policies in the country.
Louisiana: Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana. Much of this state is centered on the declining river traffic down the Mississippi river as railways dominate transportation. New Orleans, while economically declining, is experiencing a cultural renaissance with the growth of Jazz during the 1920s, and as it did not join the “Great Rising”, it did not see itself burned. St Louis has grown steadily, especially in the wake of the Madison Fire. Currently under a Democrat governor due to the work of the “St Louis machine”, though New Orleans is trending more Progressive.
Gotham: New York, New Jersey. The state suffered tremendously in the Anglo-American Wars, and even had some issues during the Great Rising, but is definitively on the upswing as the industrial and financial clout returns to New York City. Currently under a Democrat governor due to Thomas Wayne’s excellent political skill, though its voters are significantly more Republican or Progressive than Democrat.
Franklin: Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Delaware. People from Franklin are Frankliners or Franklinese. The burning of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh harmed the region but most Frankliners are small farmers who supported suppressing the Great Rising. Currently under a Democrat governor, which is the main reason it was not placed under martial law.
Columbia: Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan. Not to be confused with Columbia the capital. Trends generally towards Republican candidates, but saw risings in Ohio and Pontiac in line with more socialist thought. Was put under martial law due to its generally anti-Democratic tendencies, but is being allowed to vote in the upcoming elections.
Madison: Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin. The hardest hit state from the Great Rising. Milwaukee and Monroe (Chicago) both were major centers of the Great Rising, and the Battle of Monroe destroyed the largest American industrial center. Madison is about to end martial law and will be allowed to vote once more in the 1932 elections.
Great Plains: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. The greatest of the “battleground states”, the Great State of Great Plains is politically the most volatile, and does not have established permanent voting trends. Great Plains has been recently decided by pluralities, usually between the Democrats and the Republicans, though the Progressives have been gaining ground. In the last election in 1928, the Democrats took the governorship with 40% of the vote, the Republicans took 35%, and the Progressives gained 15%. It is one of the more vulnerable seats though, and the Democrats are desperately trying to ensure they maintain control of the key number of seven states.
Denver: Colorado, Idaho, and Utah. Centered around mostly Denver the city, this state is a Progressive hotbed, particularly in the cultural center that Denver has become. Currently under a Progressive governor.
Rushmore: Minnesota, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. Very independence minded and detests Columbia the capital. Currently under a Progressive governor.
United States of America
Capital: Columbia (same location as OTL-Washington D.C.)
The 13 “Great States” of America: Despite the victory in the 4th Anglo-American War, the nation entered in a crisis. Casualties were monstrously high, the federal government was in severe debt, trade with Japan and Asia had been greatly disturbed by British raiding, and there was rioting over back pay due to soldiers. Facing the potential for collapse, a second Constitutional Convention was called at behest of the governors, and the union was greatly reworked in favor of the states. Larger, “Great States” capable of resisting the federal government were created, and the electoral vote system was reorganized into needing to win a plurality of Great States. The Great State’s presidential vote would be determined by the state legislature, and the process has significantly reduced the power of the average voter in favor of the moneyed elites. The convention calls for 13 States, equal in size, and has mechanisms for a new convention to be called if needed to reorganize the states.
New Caledonia: The former New England area. a sort of repressed state because the northern abolitionists and anti-southerners are in strength here. Industrialized and much more socially liberal than the South. This is a troubled region that detests the administration and more or less charts its own policy, ignoring Washington. Currently under a Republican governor who is planning on joining the anti Democrat coalition to elect a Progressive to the White House.
Jeffersonia: The Pacific seaboard. Very heavy population of Japanese and Chinese immigrants, as well as second and third generation Asian-Americans, and even those of mixed White-Asian ancestry. Jackson (formerly known as San Francisco) is easily the largest city in the region, and is now one of the largest in the country. Decidedly more liberal than the rest of the country, especially on matters of racial equality, and the least religious. Currently under a Progressive governor.
Texas: American southwest (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada). Much of the population is concentrated in the eastern part of this state, especially around Houston. A recent oil boom has seen a major uptick in immigration, but for much of the rest of the state, the population is far flung and small. Many in East Texas complain about the cost of administering these far flung territories, while everyone else complains about busybodies from Austin running everyone’s affairs from far away. There is heavy resentment here, and there has been talk of trying to reorganize the state, though in the current situation, the rest of the state would not be populous enough to warrant a new state on its own. Currently dealing with some migration issues from Mexicans fleeing civil war. Currently under a Democrat governor, though Progressives are on the rise in the west.
Allegheny: Virginia (West included), North Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee. This region is an industrial powerhouse for the country, with coal mining in the northwest and Kentucky, and factory towns in Virginia and North Carolina. Allegheny does have some of the richest and some of the poorest people (particularly Tennessee) in the country, and there exists some tension between those who live on the coast and those who live inland, though the coastal inhabitants are very happy with the current state of affairs. Allegheny is one of the more prestigious states still, but Gotham’s recovery, as well as the growth of Jeffersonia has diminished its status. Currently under a Democrat governor.
Tidewater: South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. A much more agricultural state than Allegheny, Tidewater is the picture of the antebellum south. Savannah and Charleston are strong commercial centers, and Atlanta is a major factory city. Aside from that though, Tidewater is dominated by massive plantations and has a very large black population to work said plantations. Tidewater has the strictest racial laws in the country, and a black making eye contact with a white is a punishable offense. Currently under a Democrat governor and has some of the most reactionary social policies in the country.
Louisiana: Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana. Much of this state is centered on the declining river traffic down the Mississippi river as railways dominate transportation. New Orleans, while economically declining, is experiencing a cultural renaissance with the growth of Jazz during the 1920s, and as it did not join the “Great Rising”, it did not see itself burned. St Louis has grown steadily, especially in the wake of the Madison Fire. Currently under a Democrat governor due to the work of the “St Louis machine”, though New Orleans is trending more Progressive.
Gotham: New York, New Jersey. The state suffered tremendously in the Anglo-American Wars, and even had some issues during the Great Rising, but is definitively on the upswing as the industrial and financial clout returns to New York City. Currently under a Democrat governor due to Thomas Wayne’s excellent political skill, though its voters are significantly more Republican or Progressive than Democrat.
Franklin: Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Delaware. People from Franklin are Frankliners or Franklinese. The burning of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh harmed the region but most Frankliners are small farmers who supported suppressing the Great Rising. Currently under a Democrat governor, which is the main reason it was not placed under martial law.
Columbia: Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan. Not to be confused with Columbia the capital. Trends generally towards Republican candidates, but saw risings in Ohio and Pontiac in line with more socialist thought. Was put under martial law due to its generally anti-Democratic tendencies, but is being allowed to vote in the upcoming elections.
Madison: Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin. The hardest hit state from the Great Rising. Milwaukee and Monroe (Chicago) both were major centers of the Great Rising, and the Battle of Monroe destroyed the largest American industrial center. Madison is about to end martial law and will be allowed to vote once more in the 1932 elections.
Great Plains: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. The greatest of the “battleground states”, the Great State of Great Plains is politically the most volatile, and does not have established permanent voting trends. Great Plains has been recently decided by pluralities, usually between the Democrats and the Republicans, though the Progressives have been gaining ground. In the last election in 1928, the Democrats took the governorship with 40% of the vote, the Republicans took 35%, and the Progressives gained 15%. It is one of the more vulnerable seats though, and the Democrats are desperately trying to ensure they maintain control of the key number of seven states.
Denver: Colorado, Idaho, and Utah. Centered around mostly Denver the city, this state is a Progressive hotbed, particularly in the cultural center that Denver has become. Currently under a Progressive governor.
Rushmore: Minnesota, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. Very independence minded and detests Columbia the capital. Currently under a Progressive governor.
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Wolfgang Jäger
Chancellor of the Collective Republic, Chairman of the Collectivist Party and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces
To Wolfgang Jäger we owe the character of the Collective Republic.
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UPDATE:
Berlin, Collective Republic, 1931,
Unfortunately, the Chancellor has had all powers suspended when junior members of the staff publicly reveal his once-famous eyebrows are in fact caterpillars!
Fortschrittism
While all members of the German Tripartite Union in one form or another followed the socialist ideals spearheaded by the French Social Democratic Republic, Germanic socialism was in many ways a departure from the “orthodox,” pluralist vision of socialism typical for the French sociopolitical thought. In general, significant lack of republican tradition in modern history of Germany meant that dominant ideologies in two out of three German sub-states were much more etatist in their nature. While the ideological thought of the Council Republic of the Ruhr and the Bavarian Worker’s Council Republic may be interesting topics of their own, the official ideology of the German Federalist Alliance of Chairman-General Johann Reyher represents the biggest departure from the early idealistic views of European socialism.
Otto Wels
Known as Fortschrittism (from the German word “Fortschritt” meaning “progress,” or “advance forward”
, the idea of historical relativity of social justice was heavily based on academic works of Otto Wels. In his books Wels argued that the communist society, while objectively achievable, is tied to a much more advanced stage of human technologic development. That argument was based on the Marxist assumption that means of production define the political and economic format of society. Our century (or, at least, the first half of it), Wels argued, was destined to be the century of the struggle between capitalism and socialism, as the level of technological development was still falling short of production capacities needed to fully sustain a truly communist society. That, of course, didn’t mean that the idea of society built on equality had to be abandoned, but, rather, it had to be pursued via technological progress and not via other, more violent means. Wels had made it clear in his works that he did not view other socialist regimes as being straight out wrong in their efforts to restructure the society here and now. They were, as he put it, well-meaning, but ultimately as naïve as the ancient Babylonians who attempted to build a tower of clay that could reach the sky. Not that such a feat was unachievable, Wels stated, but it requires a different technology that is now well-known to modern engineers. So, instead of being “mesmerized by the beauty of the communist vision,” these new socialist regimes, according to Wels, shouldn’t waste time trying to recreate ideal communes in the world of today, but rather work on advancing the society at a quicker pace than decentralized capitalist science would ever be able to.
Wels’ futuristic, technocratic view of socialist ideals quickly bought him a lot of followers among some European science fiction writers (particularly the French and Bavarian ones), but generally fell short of attracting the masses. However, in the early 30s there was one socialist regime in dire need of well-developed ideological base. The militarist government in Berlin was struggling to define itself in terms more well-sounding than “a military junta of old-regime collaborators.” Otto Braun gave the Chairman-General such an ideology.
Otto Braun
Already a prominent socialist thinker, Otto Braun took Wels’ works and developed them into an etatist ideology that fit the needs of Johan Reyher’s regime. Braun argued that technological advance is not linear, but rather choice-driven. Each time humanity accepts a certain technology as the one and only way a certain type of goals can be achieved, the history of humanity passes through a fork road and accepts a political and economic format that matches its new technologic state. In a sense, Braun reasoned, human history may be presented as a tree, with most of its branches existing only in the realm of possibilities and only a single branch growing increasingly. Decentralized political and economic format, typical for capitalism as well as other antiquated social systems, is incapable of mindfully making wise technological choices, “flipping the coin” on each of the “fork roads.” Besides, the capitalist society is unable to return to a technological choice it has passed and make a better one, as the evolutionary nature of its competitive society turns the progress into a non-stoppable flow, making retrospective choices impossible.
Given that, Braun continued, only strong socialist states possess the ability to properly guide humanity on its road toward ideal society. Not only are they capable to consciously choose the best technologies, but they also can revise old choices and “correct” the mistakes made by decentralized societies (as suggested examples of such corrected choices, Braun named rocket propulsion technology as a better alternative to any existing methods of propulsion and synthetic industry as an ideal alternative to the “Earth-devouring” mining practice). What’s more important, Braun protected the idea of a strong, well-armed, etatist state acting as a “beacon of progress,” spearheading humanity’s advance while not necessarily struggling to force humanity into its fold.
Braun’s ideas, while rejected by many orthodox Welsians, gave Reyher’s government the image it was looking for. Forschrittism became the dominant state ideology in the German Federalist Alliance.
While all members of the German Tripartite Union in one form or another followed the socialist ideals spearheaded by the French Social Democratic Republic, Germanic socialism was in many ways a departure from the “orthodox,” pluralist vision of socialism typical for the French sociopolitical thought. In general, significant lack of republican tradition in modern history of Germany meant that dominant ideologies in two out of three German sub-states were much more etatist in their nature. While the ideological thought of the Council Republic of the Ruhr and the Bavarian Worker’s Council Republic may be interesting topics of their own, the official ideology of the German Federalist Alliance of Chairman-General Johann Reyher represents the biggest departure from the early idealistic views of European socialism.
Otto Wels
Known as Fortschrittism (from the German word “Fortschritt” meaning “progress,” or “advance forward”
, the idea of historical relativity of social justice was heavily based on academic works of Otto Wels. In his books Wels argued that the communist society, while objectively achievable, is tied to a much more advanced stage of human technologic development. That argument was based on the Marxist assumption that means of production define the political and economic format of society. Our century (or, at least, the first half of it), Wels argued, was destined to be the century of the struggle between capitalism and socialism, as the level of technological development was still falling short of production capacities needed to fully sustain a truly communist society. That, of course, didn’t mean that the idea of society built on equality had to be abandoned, but, rather, it had to be pursued via technological progress and not via other, more violent means. Wels had made it clear in his works that he did not view other socialist regimes as being straight out wrong in their efforts to restructure the society here and now. They were, as he put it, well-meaning, but ultimately as naïve as the ancient Babylonians who attempted to build a tower of clay that could reach the sky. Not that such a feat was unachievable, Wels stated, but it requires a different technology that is now well-known to modern engineers. So, instead of being “mesmerized by the beauty of the communist vision,” these new socialist regimes, according to Wels, shouldn’t waste time trying to recreate ideal communes in the world of today, but rather work on advancing the society at a quicker pace than decentralized capitalist science would ever be able to.Wels’ futuristic, technocratic view of socialist ideals quickly bought him a lot of followers among some European science fiction writers (particularly the French and Bavarian ones), but generally fell short of attracting the masses. However, in the early 30s there was one socialist regime in dire need of well-developed ideological base. The militarist government in Berlin was struggling to define itself in terms more well-sounding than “a military junta of old-regime collaborators.” Otto Braun gave the Chairman-General such an ideology.
Otto Braun
Already a prominent socialist thinker, Otto Braun took Wels’ works and developed them into an etatist ideology that fit the needs of Johan Reyher’s regime. Braun argued that technological advance is not linear, but rather choice-driven. Each time humanity accepts a certain technology as the one and only way a certain type of goals can be achieved, the history of humanity passes through a fork road and accepts a political and economic format that matches its new technologic state. In a sense, Braun reasoned, human history may be presented as a tree, with most of its branches existing only in the realm of possibilities and only a single branch growing increasingly. Decentralized political and economic format, typical for capitalism as well as other antiquated social systems, is incapable of mindfully making wise technological choices, “flipping the coin” on each of the “fork roads.” Besides, the capitalist society is unable to return to a technological choice it has passed and make a better one, as the evolutionary nature of its competitive society turns the progress into a non-stoppable flow, making retrospective choices impossible.
Given that, Braun continued, only strong socialist states possess the ability to properly guide humanity on its road toward ideal society. Not only are they capable to consciously choose the best technologies, but they also can revise old choices and “correct” the mistakes made by decentralized societies (as suggested examples of such corrected choices, Braun named rocket propulsion technology as a better alternative to any existing methods of propulsion and synthetic industry as an ideal alternative to the “Earth-devouring” mining practice). What’s more important, Braun protected the idea of a strong, well-armed, etatist state acting as a “beacon of progress,” spearheading humanity’s advance while not necessarily struggling to force humanity into its fold.
Braun’s ideas, while rejected by many orthodox Welsians, gave Reyher’s government the image it was looking for. Forschrittism became the dominant state ideology in the German Federalist Alliance.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
You may have meant to post that in the main thread and the other post in this thread. ^^
To answer your question, the Base Cost is the cost multiplier for raising divisions. Higher base cost means a more expensive army.
To answer your question, the Base Cost is the cost multiplier for raising divisions. Higher base cost means a more expensive army.
I think both actually should belong to this thread. It's a background thread, after all.
Thanks. And it's literally multiplication, right? E.g., if my national Base Cost is 8 EP, then a division of Trench Infantry (base cost 1) would cost 8 EP, correct?
Seems like my orders are messed up - at least the division-raising part of them. Feel free to ignore everything I'm spending on raising new divisions and just re-invest these money into the economy. Sorry for my confusion.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Yeah. Without talking your ear-off, it's a re-working of my Supply system from an earlier game I ran. The idea is you're purchasing the equivalent economic value of one division in your own country's terms. It's pretty much EP/capita with a consideration for IC.
I think we can suss out the intentions of your orders and faithfully execute them without sacrificing too much. Read: don't worry. ;p
Thanks, that was very helpful.
While we're at it, another question: how do I know how much Action Potential one or another reform would take? Or is it completely encapsulated from the player? I'm fine with any answer, just being curious.
While we're at it, another question: how do I know how much Action Potential one or another reform would take? Or is it completely encapsulated from the player? I'm fine with any answer, just being curious.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Action potential is sort of a half-cocked stat; at this point just assume that higher action potential means you'll have an easier time governing. It's sort of become a stat that describes how powerful your (central) government is, more than anything.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Dubble post: hey y'all! Sorry about the stats snafu some of you experienced, your stat concerns should now have been addressed. Many people have asked if military spending takes two turns, but it does not. However, some of you have begun ambitious efforts that may take a few turns to see fruition.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
The stats should currently be up-to-date on most players. A few of you mousey lot slip through the cracks. Please check the stats and make sure your name is on your country and post here if it isn't!
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South Africe, which is played by me, is listen as NPC
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
I'll fix it right away, my fine Finnish fellow.
