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Regeneration In Process
Well, that's funny. I wrote exactly that just four posts ago, very much in clear view as one should think. Now I know how Symphony feels. 
PREVIEW: SymNES II
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North King
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I think I'll be using the words related to agriculture and civilization from the proto-whatever that Josef is coming up with, and the rest of the the words will be the ones from my people's original language family.
jalapeno_dude
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Oh, shush.And he got into U. Chic.
I was not particularly awake when I last posted. 
JosefStalinator
Я буду снова здесь
Well, it's late, but to get the ball rolling I very quickly assigned some roots to my short list of basic words. It is by no means complete, but hopefully it will inspire someone to muck with it and expand it .
Feedback is appreciated. Don't be afraid to mess with it and remove any repeats/bad sounding crap.
.Spoiler Proto-Veseldic/Ialian/Whatever Origin 1 is roots :
)Feedback is appreciated. Don't be afraid to mess with it and remove any repeats/bad sounding crap.
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Looks good, JS.
I'm going to probably be in the northern half of the Origin 1 cradle; anything more specific than that would, I think, be violating Sym's instructions. I think that people who are going to be relatively close should probably think about swapping word lists in order to see what kind of loanwords we can pick up.
Oh, and a basic overview of my tribe: entered the cradle from a distant land, and ala the Aryans moved in and intermixed with the locals, creating a powerful series of tribes in... wherever they settled. They got most of their words for agriculture from the natives, of course, since they never practiced their own, and probably many/most of their words for oceans, societies, and so on...
Symphony, if you find something wrong with this concept (given that it's so vague at this point, I doubt it, but), then do tell.
I'm going to probably be in the northern half of the Origin 1 cradle; anything more specific than that would, I think, be violating Sym's instructions. I think that people who are going to be relatively close should probably think about swapping word lists in order to see what kind of loanwords we can pick up.
Oh, and a basic overview of my tribe: entered the cradle from a distant land, and ala the Aryans moved in and intermixed with the locals, creating a powerful series of tribes in... wherever they settled. They got most of their words for agriculture from the natives, of course, since they never practiced their own, and probably many/most of their words for oceans, societies, and so on...
Symphony, if you find something wrong with this concept (given that it's so vague at this point, I doubt it, but), then do tell.
JosefStalinator
Я буду снова здесь
We should make calls on that when we see where Symphy actually puts us
. But yeah, there would definitely be more inter-connectedness in areas geographically close.PS: We still need a new name for Cradle One's language! Some good ones have already been proposed...
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I'm going to have to hold out for Ialian. The cadence of the word is totally different from 'Italian' when you say it smoothly. And a lot of our root words will probably end up resembling Hebrew/Aramaic or OTL proto-languages by sheer accident anyway.
With minor exceptions, a close derivative of the base family.
Spoiler Tsalian Language Sub-Family :
With minor exceptions, a close derivative of the base family.
Based on Thlayli's list, my people will be the Kalioko or People of the Bright Earth.
das
Regeneration In Process
Come up with a word for "language" (and/or "tongue") and use that.
Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
Mythology: TBD
Writing: Pictograph ready for transition to alpahbet; Ink on papyrus or incised clay tablets.
See map for appropriate area. Willing to share.
How about a map scale?
Attachments
Fuschia
A Little Odd
I suppose that makes sense, as the languages will have even less effect on the future than the societies themselves will. Anyways, on to writing out some of the stuff I have come up with over a week, or maybe two, of working. Unluckily, I can't seem to remember when this started and I'm too lazy to check, so you'll have to bear with my lack of time sense. First of all, a reiteration of the template and such, with a change or two.
Origin Location: One
Societal Name: Alarkiens
Language Family: Proto-Alarkien
Descent Rights: Communal, Merit-Based
Inheritance Rights: Communal, Merit-Based
Climate Distribution: Temperate grassland or forest; rivers would be ideal, but proximity to large standing bodies of water not so much
Alarkien society is a mixing of Maori and Japanese with a healthy blend of random things taken from other societies, especially other Polynesian societies, and my own head. Try to keep all of that in mind when reading everything else here.
Early Alarkien society was based upon small villages, led by a single political, religious, and military leader known as the Alark'tangat, roughly translated as Person of the Balance. The modern name for the society is an elongated version of Proto-Alarkien's word for Balance, Alark. The Alark'tangat was responsible for the maintenance and leadership of the village. Anyways, before moving on to more complicated ideas about the Alark'tangat's purpose, we will first go through the life of an average Alarkien of the time.
Alarkiens would be born to parents that had been previously recognized as capable of child-bearing by the Alark'tangat; one of his purposes was to choose those who would be allowed to breed, as well as with whom they were allowed and when. This was utilized to keep populations generally stable to prevent the need for great expansion, as well as preventing the mixing of characteristics, as primitive Alarkiens were strong believers in the idea that children would adopt the mental and physical qualities of their parents.
The child would be raised by its parents and given no name. When it spoke its first word, it would be taken by the Alark'tangat to be taught language properly, as well as the traditions and customs of the village and society, which we shall come to later. This teaching by the Alark'tangat would continue until such a time as he believed the child was ready to move on. The child would be allowed to take its own name only when completing this course on customs and language.
As many as fifty children might be taught by the Alark'tangat at any one time, and they would live and sleep together in a building constructed for this purpose and be taught by the Alark'tangat when his time became available; the communal housing and identical teaching helped to build a strong sense of both community and common culture with other Alarkien villages, even though the people themselves rearely traveled. This was the first in a long line of apprenticeships through which young children had to pass before becoming adults.
When succeeding at their apprenticeship to the Alark'tangat and taking their first name, one of their choice, they moved on to be taught by the various adults of the village what was necessary for their life. This included various teachings on poisonous plants, assistance in harvest, and other basic tasks spread among the various necessities that were required for the village to function. There was no set order in which a child passed through the various apprenticeships, and no one adult was expected to teach more than one child at a time besides the Alark'tangat.
When the child had successfully passed each apprenticeship, he was not yet considered an adult. The next step was the assignment of a Hakamei by the Alark'tangat. The Hakamei was a position within the tribe that one would fulfill for the entirety of one's life, a custom that greatly increased specialization and perfection of tasks. The decision was reached by the Alark'tangat through a general assessment from the various apprenticeships through which the child had passed. Once reached, the child would take a second name based upon his Hakamei and be considered a full adult, fit to perform his single task for the rest of his life.
Hakamei ranged from farmer, to fisher, to hunter, to warrior, all essential positions that had to be filled. Hakamei made little differentiation between males and females, only between natures. It was considered an essential part of the Alark, or Balance, to maintain one's position, as the Hakamei was said to refine one's basic nature throughout life in preparation for death and rebirth. If one had performed one's Hakamei well, one might be reborn as a human with a nature considered slightly better; if one performed one's Hakamei poorly, than one might not be reborn at all, or reborn as some animal to repay through his short life the sin of damaging his or her village.
Anyways, to move back to the average life of an Alarkien at this time, when one had been given a Hakamei you worked on perfecting it for your entire life, doing few other non-essential tasks. While goods were not shared communally, but both poverty and wealth were considered damaging to the village as a whole because they damaged the quality of one's work. Working hard was considered a virtue, but the gathering of property was not.
Throughout one's life, one would go through a cycle of wealth and poverty because of the Hei. Hei were the traditional feasts hosted by a single person from a village who had amassed a great amount of food or other goods which could be traded for food. One would invite the entirety of the village to the feast, and all would eat until the food was gone. This ensured that no one became overly rich nor overly poor, but went through a cycle skirting with each.
No one person lost much because of Kapei'uerunta because others would hold Kapei'uerunta as well, repaying that person with a position of honor at their own Kapei'uerunta, as well as the best food. Kapei'urunta were also considered as a sort of payment that would further refine one's nature for the eventual rebirth after death.
After having lived many years, an Alarkien at this time would begin to decline and, once incapable of performing his or her Hakamei, would sacrifice his or her own life for the good of the tribe, generally by committing suicide or having another kill them. Upon death, the body of an Alarkien would be roasted and consumed by all, ensuring that no part of the body went to waste. The Alark'tangat would, at later dates, keep the bones for the fashioning of currency, ensuring the continuance of the barter and Kapei'uerunta system even with the invention of currency. The death ceremony was believed to help ensure rebirth as a member of the village, as no part of his body had left the village in any way.
Upon death, goods were distributed by the Alark'tangat to others of the dead's Hakamei. This was to ensure that tools were never wasted upon those who could not use them, and also greatly increased cooperation between members of a Hakamei.
More will come eventually, I am sure that will provide more than enough for people to read.
Origin Location: One
Societal Name: Alarkiens
Language Family: Proto-Alarkien
Descent Rights: Communal, Merit-Based
Inheritance Rights: Communal, Merit-Based
Climate Distribution: Temperate grassland or forest; rivers would be ideal, but proximity to large standing bodies of water not so much
Alarkien society is a mixing of Maori and Japanese with a healthy blend of random things taken from other societies, especially other Polynesian societies, and my own head. Try to keep all of that in mind when reading everything else here.
Early Alarkien society was based upon small villages, led by a single political, religious, and military leader known as the Alark'tangat, roughly translated as Person of the Balance. The modern name for the society is an elongated version of Proto-Alarkien's word for Balance, Alark. The Alark'tangat was responsible for the maintenance and leadership of the village. Anyways, before moving on to more complicated ideas about the Alark'tangat's purpose, we will first go through the life of an average Alarkien of the time.
Alarkiens would be born to parents that had been previously recognized as capable of child-bearing by the Alark'tangat; one of his purposes was to choose those who would be allowed to breed, as well as with whom they were allowed and when. This was utilized to keep populations generally stable to prevent the need for great expansion, as well as preventing the mixing of characteristics, as primitive Alarkiens were strong believers in the idea that children would adopt the mental and physical qualities of their parents.
The child would be raised by its parents and given no name. When it spoke its first word, it would be taken by the Alark'tangat to be taught language properly, as well as the traditions and customs of the village and society, which we shall come to later. This teaching by the Alark'tangat would continue until such a time as he believed the child was ready to move on. The child would be allowed to take its own name only when completing this course on customs and language.
As many as fifty children might be taught by the Alark'tangat at any one time, and they would live and sleep together in a building constructed for this purpose and be taught by the Alark'tangat when his time became available; the communal housing and identical teaching helped to build a strong sense of both community and common culture with other Alarkien villages, even though the people themselves rearely traveled. This was the first in a long line of apprenticeships through which young children had to pass before becoming adults.
When succeeding at their apprenticeship to the Alark'tangat and taking their first name, one of their choice, they moved on to be taught by the various adults of the village what was necessary for their life. This included various teachings on poisonous plants, assistance in harvest, and other basic tasks spread among the various necessities that were required for the village to function. There was no set order in which a child passed through the various apprenticeships, and no one adult was expected to teach more than one child at a time besides the Alark'tangat.
When the child had successfully passed each apprenticeship, he was not yet considered an adult. The next step was the assignment of a Hakamei by the Alark'tangat. The Hakamei was a position within the tribe that one would fulfill for the entirety of one's life, a custom that greatly increased specialization and perfection of tasks. The decision was reached by the Alark'tangat through a general assessment from the various apprenticeships through which the child had passed. Once reached, the child would take a second name based upon his Hakamei and be considered a full adult, fit to perform his single task for the rest of his life.
Hakamei ranged from farmer, to fisher, to hunter, to warrior, all essential positions that had to be filled. Hakamei made little differentiation between males and females, only between natures. It was considered an essential part of the Alark, or Balance, to maintain one's position, as the Hakamei was said to refine one's basic nature throughout life in preparation for death and rebirth. If one had performed one's Hakamei well, one might be reborn as a human with a nature considered slightly better; if one performed one's Hakamei poorly, than one might not be reborn at all, or reborn as some animal to repay through his short life the sin of damaging his or her village.
Anyways, to move back to the average life of an Alarkien at this time, when one had been given a Hakamei you worked on perfecting it for your entire life, doing few other non-essential tasks. While goods were not shared communally, but both poverty and wealth were considered damaging to the village as a whole because they damaged the quality of one's work. Working hard was considered a virtue, but the gathering of property was not.
Throughout one's life, one would go through a cycle of wealth and poverty because of the Hei. Hei were the traditional feasts hosted by a single person from a village who had amassed a great amount of food or other goods which could be traded for food. One would invite the entirety of the village to the feast, and all would eat until the food was gone. This ensured that no one became overly rich nor overly poor, but went through a cycle skirting with each.
No one person lost much because of Kapei'uerunta because others would hold Kapei'uerunta as well, repaying that person with a position of honor at their own Kapei'uerunta, as well as the best food. Kapei'urunta were also considered as a sort of payment that would further refine one's nature for the eventual rebirth after death.
After having lived many years, an Alarkien at this time would begin to decline and, once incapable of performing his or her Hakamei, would sacrifice his or her own life for the good of the tribe, generally by committing suicide or having another kill them. Upon death, the body of an Alarkien would be roasted and consumed by all, ensuring that no part of the body went to waste. The Alark'tangat would, at later dates, keep the bones for the fashioning of currency, ensuring the continuance of the barter and Kapei'uerunta system even with the invention of currency. The death ceremony was believed to help ensure rebirth as a member of the village, as no part of his body had left the village in any way.
Upon death, goods were distributed by the Alark'tangat to others of the dead's Hakamei. This was to ensure that tools were never wasted upon those who could not use them, and also greatly increased cooperation between members of a Hakamei.
More will come eventually, I am sure that will provide more than enough for people to read.
Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
Only one is necessary that's why I put the "or" in there. I am hoping that others will speak up and provide their thoughts. I am assuming everything I want until told other wise.
And as i have said, I will accept any language group that others of area 1 choose. From that base, we will develop our language based on the precepts stated before.Of course I didn't mean any modern scale, that would be totally out of the picture. I meant a scale based on how far a man could walk in a week, month or cycle of the moons (and how many nights it takes for the moons to cycle).No. Why would I assist you in figuring out how big the planet is to any capacity?.
Distance is also irrelevant on a 1000 year time-scale, really.
JosefStalinator
Я буду снова здесь
I reiterate my hope that the origin one languages will use the OSV word order .
And Symph, do you want us to mark on the map the general area in which to base us, or do you prefer a vague description?
.And Symph, do you want us to mark on the map the general area in which to base us, or do you prefer a vague description?
Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
For the moment, my pre-religion is the Umbral Mythos, which worships (in a shamanistic fashion) the two moons as deity incarnations, and their relationship with the ocean, which is not simply a life giving force, but the physical incarnation of spirituality. Sort of like the "psychic sea" theories of Carl Jung, except given a physical manifestation.
Tidal forces are very important in the moon-sea duality, and wave patterns are used in rituals and foretellings. All worship is communal, as is all property ownership with the Tsai, and features in their social interactions strongly.
Expect a lot more data on this soon.
Tidal forces are very important in the moon-sea duality, and wave patterns are used in rituals and foretellings. All worship is communal, as is all property ownership with the Tsai, and features in their social interactions strongly.
Expect a lot more data on this soon.
Abaddon
Deity
I wasn't able to post earlier, but I am VERY excited about a SymNES, and hope to get involved later on in its development.
It looks exceedingly impressive.
It looks exceedingly impressive.
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