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E.T.A on start?
This one is quite eager
This one is quite eager
The NES is set to start on my birthday - a present from me to all of you, so to speak. 
germanicus, having played in Stormy's 1919 NES (however briefly) and noted your fairly capable handling of the UK in that game (although it didn't act as I personally as a private citizen would have wanted, it didn't act poorly either), I would normally allow you to play (if it were on grounds of competence alone), but unfortunately Thlayli expressed interest a few months back and he did contribute in some ways to the shaping of the actual scenario, so I'm afraid he has a better claim than you do. Of course, there is a Presidential election in two years...
I have noted the relative disparities of certain nations' economies, but wish to point out the relatively feudal and undeveloped Hungarian economy as compared with the rapidly modernizing Bulgarians; while agriculture does have a strength all its own, the more modern state of the Bulgarian economy is more productive than the backwards Hungarians. Eco centers are "weird" on purpose; not all of them have an output of 1 (should Hamburg or London really be on the level of, say, Aden?).
Nobody has taken Russia, unless flyingchicken is going to do so (Dis, if you'd rather, your AH Thread contributions would probably put you in line for it). Reservations of Serbia (Toltec), USA (Thlayli), Brazil (silver), Spain (Shadowbound), Sweden-Norway (Jason), Greece (LittleBoots!
), Canada (j_eps), Denmark (e350tb), and France (a propagandist) are noted. Supermath, if you want to play (and I do encourage it; look through the Guide and peek through a few older games first) you should probably reserve a nation; a few nice South American states are still extant, like Argentina or Peru, as are Bulgaria, the Turks, the Dutch, and Persia.
germanicus, having played in Stormy's 1919 NES (however briefly) and noted your fairly capable handling of the UK in that game (although it didn't act as I personally as a private citizen would have wanted, it didn't act poorly either), I would normally allow you to play (if it were on grounds of competence alone), but unfortunately Thlayli expressed interest a few months back and he did contribute in some ways to the shaping of the actual scenario, so I'm afraid he has a better claim than you do. Of course, there is a Presidential election in two years...
I have noted the relative disparities of certain nations' economies, but wish to point out the relatively feudal and undeveloped Hungarian economy as compared with the rapidly modernizing Bulgarians; while agriculture does have a strength all its own, the more modern state of the Bulgarian economy is more productive than the backwards Hungarians. Eco centers are "weird" on purpose; not all of them have an output of 1 (should Hamburg or London really be on the level of, say, Aden?).
Nobody has taken Russia, unless flyingchicken is going to do so (Dis, if you'd rather, your AH Thread contributions would probably put you in line for it). Reservations of Serbia (Toltec), USA (Thlayli), Brazil (silver), Spain (Shadowbound), Sweden-Norway (Jason), Greece (LittleBoots!
), Canada (j_eps), Denmark (e350tb), and France (a propagandist) are noted. Supermath, if you want to play (and I do encourage it; look through the Guide and peek through a few older games first) you should probably reserve a nation; a few nice South American states are still extant, like Argentina or Peru, as are Bulgaria, the Turks, the Dutch, and Persia.
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Poet Jester
What's the desicion on the UK. Its not listed on there...
JosefStalinator
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The NES is set to start on my birthday - a present from me to all of you, so to speak.
germanicus, having played in Stormy's 1919 NES (however briefly) and noted your fairly capable handling of the UK in that game (although it didn't act as I personally as a private citizen would have wanted, it didn't act poorly either), I would normally allow you to play (if it were on grounds of competence alone), but unfortunately Thlayli expressed interest a few months back and he did contribute in some ways to the shaping of the actual scenario, so I'm afraid he has a better claim than you do. Of course, there is a Presidential election in two years...
I have noted the relative disparities of certain nations' economies, but wish to point out the relatively feudal and undeveloped Hungarian economy as compared with the rapidly modernizing Bulgarians; while agriculture does have a strength all its own, the more modern state of the Bulgarian economy is more productive than the backwards Hungarians. Eco centers are "weird" on purpose; not all of them have an output of 1 (should Hamburg or London really be on the level of, say, Aden?).
Nobody has taken Russia, unless flyingchicken is going to do so (Dis, if you'd rather, your AH Thread contributions would probably put you in line for it). Reservations of Serbia (Toltec), USA (Thlayli), Brazil (silver), Spain (Shadowbound), Sweden-Norway (Jason), Greece (LittleBoots!
That doesn't even make sense; how on earth would the rest of eastern europe develop faster than one with, supposedly, diplomatic clout? Or, you know, a more powerful unified and skilled national government. If anything, it would be leeching off the German technological might, and be leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of its region.
Think of Hungary as sort of like OTL A-H, but without the highly industrialized western regions, a slightly more unified foreign policy, a much less federal or even libertarian system of government and no real enemies. What would be the point in the Hungarian magnates industrializing that much - what little they did do has been the seed for some Marxism. Besides, the Budapest and Zara ECs are supposed to signify a limited amount of industrialization in those two cities (although the Zara one is more for trade).
EDIT: Kal'thzar, huh? That doesn't make much sense.
If you want a challenge, the Turkish Republic or the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies would be good ideas; if you're not quite in for something masochistic, then I suppose Peru or Argentina would be good options. (Of those two, Argentina is significantly more isolated diplomatically but more powerful militarily.)
JosefStalinator
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You still didn't explain how the other, much more pathetic countries are doing so well in comparison.
And Hungary was actually very agriculturally efficient. According to wikipedia, until the depression, it exported more wheat than any other European nation.
All right; the Hungarian base eco will be adjusted higher. WRT the pathetic countries: there is a lower limit. I made a very quick and dirty attempt to keep nations from having too much money but at the same time have vaguely realistic amounts of cash at their disposal, and apparently it's not worked out terribly well.
JosefStalinator
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The rest of it seems fine, excepting Bulgaria's power. I really don't see how its so feared when it's so tiny and undeveloped.
The army.
On the Balkan-wide scale, it is pretty impressive; it has the economy brute strength of Greece without the naval commitments, and outmatches Serbia entirely.
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Poet Jester
*cough* Who is the UK *cough*
JosefStalinator
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The army.
On the Balkan-wide scale, it is pretty impressive; it has the economy brute strength of Greece without the naval commitments, and outmatches Serbia entirely.
But how. Bulgaria isn't exactly in a great position to be the preeminent economic power.
Disenfrancised
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I will take russia if flying chicken doesn't want/get it, this NES looks like fun, except the being allied with Thlayli part .
Japan has stupid amounts of EC. Quick rule of thumb for this period unless massive divergences to industrial development have happened.
If the USA is taken as having an economy and industrial power level of 1 then,
-the UK should have 0.5 on the home island, and the rest of the empire will give another 0.4-0.5. So the colonies giving 5 times as much as britain is silly.
-Japan should be 0.15 or less (yes yes everyone always hears about the 'japanese economic miricle', but in truth their economy in WW2 was about level with italy's, they were just amazingly adept at using it. And things went amazingly well for the Japanese OTL, I can't think of many ways they could go even better). Have a base higher than the UKs and 70% of americas is flipping nuts.
-Normal Germany should be 0.6-0.8 at home (the colonies being neligable), since this is a super germany it can probably be anything up to 1.1, plus their colonies are actually worth something this timeline.
-Russia should be 0.3-0.6, France roughly 0.4, Canada 0.1, belgium and holland 0.15 each (both were rich, but lacked demographic muscle)
.Japan has stupid amounts of EC. Quick rule of thumb for this period unless massive divergences to industrial development have happened.
If the USA is taken as having an economy and industrial power level of 1 then,
-the UK should have 0.5 on the home island, and the rest of the empire will give another 0.4-0.5. So the colonies giving 5 times as much as britain is silly
. -Japan should be 0.15 or less (yes yes everyone always hears about the 'japanese economic miricle', but in truth their economy in WW2 was about level with italy's, they were just amazingly adept at using it. And things went amazingly well for the Japanese OTL, I can't think of many ways they could go even better). Have a base higher than the UKs and 70% of americas is flipping nuts.
-Normal Germany should be 0.6-0.8 at home (the colonies being neligable), since this is a super germany it can probably be anything up to 1.1, plus their colonies are actually worth something this timeline.
-Russia should be 0.3-0.6, France roughly 0.4, Canada 0.1, belgium and holland 0.15 each (both were rich, but lacked demographic muscle)
JosefStalinator
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Gotta agree with Dis. Alot all the economies are crazy.
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