Pros & Cons of the Traditional Family System

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Inspired by meldor:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=953296#post953296

...who points out that the bottom line is that your POV on gay rights is based on your feelings about how nurturing families should or could be structured.

I'll expand a little bit:

If you believe that the Traditional Family System is the ONLY way to go, than you will be opposed to gays raising children or a variety of alternative family structures and situations.

If you believe that the Traditional Family System is NOT the ONLY way to go, than you may support alternative family structures.

In between there are those would want to judge each system individually or judge each family individually.

And at the radical opposite extreme are those who believe that the Traditional Family System could be or is actually damaging.

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Definition of TFS: Union of a man and a woman, who may or may not have children. Divorce is extremely rare and greatly discouraged. The man is primarily the breadwinner -- brings income into the household; and the woman is primarily the homemaker -- keeps the house in order and takes care of the kids. Religious piety and public scrutiny discourage the parents from taking action that could risk the sanctity of the home.

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Pros:
*Traditional, in most cultures of the world, from the dawn of civilization (and before, most probably.) Tried and true.
*Holds male breadwinner strictly accountable for taking care of his families' economic needs. Minimizes potential for the family to require charity or public assistance.
*Because she is economically dependent on her husband (because she has less earning power,) the woman is more likely to fulfill her obligation to the family.
*Because he faces loss of prestiege and therefore earning power, the man is more likely to fulfill his obligation to the family.
*Children are raised in an enviroment similar to other children. Maintains cultural cohesion.
*Leverages all the benefits of organized religion in instilling values, cultural norms and collective (charitable) efforts.
*Potentially deflationary -- double the workforce means double the income, which causes the economy to boom (as long as resources can sustain it) but ultimately the increased money causes prices to rise, as supply and demand forces interact. It is typical for a middle-class family to have two incomes now... necessary for many. In the past, one was generally enough.

Cons:
*Women are less in control of their destiny, because of their decreased earning power.
*All the negative, judgemental dogmatic aspects of organized religion come too.
*Rigid societal structure may limit ability of the people to innovate and adapt to changing conditions. Loss of potential gains that could be had by embracing diversity.
*The parents may be miserable together, and subtle psychological effects can damage all involved.
*Definitely less "free" in the sense of allowing humans to do as they please. Religious and societal norms discourage alternatives.
*If one or both parents are abusive, there are fewer options for getting the children or abused parent out of harm's way.
*Might not be compatible w/ the easy mobility of modern existance. One of the reasons that the nuclear family has dwindled in ubiquitiy is that modern transportation and mobility in the 50s and 60s encouraged people to move away f/ their extended families.
*Increased COL since expansion of workforce could be explained by dramatically increased standard of living -- bigger homes, electronics, multiple cars etc... -- now std to be considered middle class.
 
As I said in the other thread, families come in different shapes and sizes. There is no "correct" or "proper" family.
 
Continuing from the other thread, there may be some benefits associated with it, and it may even be better than the other options. I think you can prbly dig up statistics showing that, for ex., single-parent homes are more likely to run into problems from lack of money or parenting time.

If it is the best, though, why would it be in decline? There are already incentives in place for married couples, so what other forces could be causing them to decrease, and divorce to become more common? I don't have the answers, but I really doubt that increased acceptance of homosexuality has much to do with it. The spectre of gay couples raising children is just a scapegoat that's easy to attack. IMO, a lot of people who got married in the past really weren't cut out for a long-term relationship, but societal pressure left them nowhere else to go. Nowadays, when people are miserable, they can escape more easily.

Even if you could identify the root causes in the decline of traditional families, you would have little right to try and legislate them back into existence. You can't just force people to get married; whatever benefit the family offers is because it's a friendly and supportive environment, which can't be the result of coercion.
 
Originally posted by archer_007
Gays raising children will make the children think such action is normal.
I think they'll have that illusion removed the first time they go to school, if not sooner.
 
Indians assume the traditional family system to be the one with a large joint family with grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins galore under one very large roof.
My grandparents do live with us and I believe that I have benefited greatly from them rather than living in a "nuclear" family.:)
 
One is a proponent of the traditional nuclear family, with large amounts of children.
 
I think many of the pro's mentioned are not so 'pro' at all:

Holds male breadwinner strictly accountable for taking care of his families' economic needs. Minimizes potential for the family to require charity or public assistance.
What if the man losses his job for any reason? Or dies? If mammy has a profession, she can earn a living. By having two breadwinners you spread the risk.

Children are raised in an enviroment similar to other children. Maintains cultural cohesion.
I fail to see why cultural cohesion is a pro. Please enlighten me!

Leverages all the benefits of organized religion in instilling values, cultural norms and collective (charitable) efforts.
One simply does not need religion for values, norms and charity. If one needs to be religious for that, something is really wrong. Slightly off topic: Religious people sometimes seem to think they have a patent on values and norms. Not true!

Potentially deflationary -- double the workforce means double the income, which causes the economy to boom (as long as resources can sustain it) but ultimately the increased money causes prices to rise, as supply and demand forces interact. It is typical for a middle-class family to have two incomes now... necessary for many. In the past, one was generally enough.
This theory won't hold out that long in a discussion between economists. To me it sounds like a 'fit-in-pro'. I.e. making up your mind and look foor reason the back it up, iso the other way around.

Still, I think a harmonious family of two parents is the best environment for children to grow up. Same sexe 'parents' is no problem to me. The arguement that children growing up in such a 'family', will think it is normal is no problem either. IMHO it is normal. Maybe not natural, but most certainly normal.

BTW: In Holland, a young mother that decides to put her baby away for adoption, can make certain demands like:
-The adoption parents should be hetero,
-The adoption parents should be catholic,
-The adoption parents should not be religious at all.
 
The traditional western nuclear family is a fairly modern construct stemming largely from the industrial revolution. Prior to that extended families were more the norm. They still are in some parts of Southern and Eastern Europe.

One reason that divorce is so common is that in the last 60 years the death rate for adults in the 20 - 50 year range has plummeted due to advances in healthcare and child birth. Death used to do the rearranging of families and now it is divorce.

Taking a global view - polygamy is actually the traditional most common form of family but unforetunately it is rapidly disappearing. Many of my older colleagues coming from non- judao-christian cultures were raised in a polygamis (sp?) family and spoke very highly of it.

The western nuclear family is probably the worst way to raise children - particularly when there is only one or two children in the family IMHO. They don't get a variety of role models until it is way too late and there is little chance of rescue should one or both of the parents prove not to be up to the task of raising children into well-adjusted, social, contributing individuals.
 
:hmm: You seem to draw wide conclusiones based on the observations of a few colleagues.

The nuclear family must have been successful on some level, as we're not all maladjusted sociopaths. Well, most of us anyway; its a difficult thing to compare to alternatives.
 
The one problem I have with traditional families is the recent revelation that it really IS true that 50% plus of the senior members are cheats.

:D
 
Originally posted by archer_007


Its not bigotry, but children really need to know people are homosexual by choice, not because they were born that way.

That's biggotry but anyhoo let's get back on topic

I don't know if there is enough evidence out there to support any idea of what is wrong or right for a family. Todays modern times are so radically different then our ancestors that we can't make the same conclusions we did 100 years ago. In todays world it is possiable for a sinlge mom to be a good parent, but we have also seen that it can be much more difficult.

In my oppinon it all boils down to how much the guardian/s care about raising their children in a healthy manner. I've seen nuclear families that are abusive and neglectfull and vice versa. I think it's a case by case issue.
 
Originally posted by andrewgprv

In my oppinon it all boils down to how much the guardian/s care about raising their children in a healthy manner. I've seen nuclear families that are abusive and neglectfull and vice versa. I think it's a case by case issue.

I agree with that. I mean, if a non-traditional family is better able to raise the child, why not in that case.
 
Only one thing counts for anything in a family... unconditional love.

I'd rather see a child raised by two gay men and a lesbian who are mentally healthy and strong and full of love for the child than a married straight man and a married straight woman who don't give a crap.

Many people with heavy problems come from "nuclear families".
 
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