Prove Reason Wrong!

[Narz]

Simple concept. Prove an instance in which reason/logic/science is wrong and something else is right.

Please be through, aviod weak examples such as "God exists, therefore reason is wrong" (even if God exists how can you prove he is an unreasonable God) or "I had an intuitive experience that cannot be explained by reason" (There is plenty of reason to believe that the intuitive response is reasonable and rational).

If you're going to post here please play along and try to disprove reason as something that can explain all things (rather than saying, "Oh yeah, YOU prove reason is right" (don't worry people will inevitably try to prove it so anyway). Also, saying "Something beyond reason cannot be proven because it's not reasonably" is a copout, do better than that!

No spam, personal attacks, etc.

Have fun!

 

[PrincepsAmerica]

Winner of most nonsensical thread title? Also a lame troll against religious people. Try harder Narz.

Moderator Action: Stick to the topic.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

The concept sounds fun! I am the most reasonable person I know.

Initial conditions basically define your answer when you use reason, though, so you can explain anything through reason. I will get back to this thread after work when I can put time into it.

edit - crosspost - It's a anti-religion thread? Aww, that's no fun! Everybody believes what they believe for a reason! I was hoping for a logical challenge! Waah!

 

[thenooblet22]

If you have to prove reason, then all reasoning is flawed. Do I win?

 

[Irish Caesar]

Such a proof would require reason. Without it, Narz, I don't think you'd be satisfied with what anyone says anyway.

 

[Narz]

Winner of most nonsensical thread title? Also a lame troll against religious people. Try harder Narz.

Wrong. I didn't mention religion AT ALL.

Don't get worked up over your own issues, blame then on me, troll my thread and then try to flip it on me, Narzy don't play that.

join the spamfest.

If you have nothing but spam to add wait until that statement is no longer true please.

 

[ainwood]

Moderator Action: Spam deleted. Stick to the topic.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[LucyDuke]

I was being serious... I have a ghost story. It defies reason, but it happened. Is that appropriate?

 

[Narz]

By the way, I'm not claiming a strict adherence to the scientific method is the only way to discover anything just that regardless of your method of discovery the universe operates in a logical fashion (albeit far too complex far our feeble human brains but nonetheless based on rational and conceivably understandable laws).

 

[Narz]

edit : nevermind, double post

 

[Perfection]

Really, I don't see how this can be debated, how the hell do you reason against reason?

 

[Nylan]

One word: love

you take it from there

 

[Brighteye]

So, do you agree that reason and emotion are not separate, but equally useful justifications for something?
I know a chap who does. He quite often thinks that my reasoning is wrong.

 

[Narz]

Really, I don't see how this can be debated, how the hell do you reason against reason?

People try to do it everyday.

One word: love

you take it from there

Love makes perfect sense. What better way to ensure the survival of your offspring and those who help you survive and/or make your life meaningful?

So, do you agree that reason and emotion are not separate, but equally useful justifications for something?
I know a chap who does. He quite often thinks that my reasoning is wrong.

Emotions are rational and logical. Our emotions exist to tell us things. If we didn't feel what rational reason would we have to act?

Emotions are like sex, beautiful because of their wonderful logic, not in spite of it.

 

[Perfection]

People try to do it everyday.

Can you provide an example?

 

[puglover]

Reason is the eyepiece through which humans see the world. To try to prove reason wrong is silly.

And before anyone asks, yes, I do believe God can be found through reason.

 

[Warman17]

"Prove Reason Wrong"

The only way to 'prove' it is via reason which would just undermine my own 'reason.' As such reason/logic/science is a self-preserving cycle. It defines answers through the use of itself and the use of itself as the answer.

It is because of this that by its own logic must be a fallacy.

 

[Urederra]

"Prove Reason Wrong"

The only way to 'prove' it is via reason which would just undermine my own 'reason.' As such reason/logic/science is a self-preserving cycle. It defines answers through the use of itself and the use of itself as the answer.

It is because of this, that by its own logic must be a fallacy.

I agree 100%. That is why I think this is a spam thread.

 

[skadistic]

"Because I said so." Its a reason with out much reasoning behind it.

 

[Leonel]

I'll give it the ol' college try! But I'm not guaranteeing anything.

Okay. It's a pretty well established fact that human beings can be wrong and make mistakes such as putting the spiky part of a viking helmet on the inside or drive on the wrong side of the highway, right? And as a result, most every part of our bodies, both physical and mental can be assumed to be flawed in one aspect or another, right? Assuming all of this, reason is a human construct and thus a human product of consciousness and conditioning, and can be wrong probably through the simple association of being a human construct developed from a flawed species. Not only through this logic can I say that reason can be wrong, it can be bias and irrational.

And that's my attempt. Chances are someone will find something wrong with my 'reasoning.' Pun intended.