Qin Shi Huang/Kublai K. switch

Which Qin looks better?

  • Old Qin

    Votes: 21 24.1%
  • New Qin

    Votes: 36 41.4%
  • Dont care

    Votes: 30 34.5%

  • Total voters
    87

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Why were Qin and Kublai's leaderheads switched? Do you think the new or the old Qin looks better and more realistic. Personally i liked the old one better, Qin looks like the wimp he is, and Kublai demanded respect. Now its wierd.

Poll coming
 
actually, i think both kublai khan and Qin Shi huang both looked like Kublai Khans old leaderhead in real life. (qins new one)
 
I don't really care which was supposed to be what, but now that it got changed it just doesn't seem right every time I see one of them. :crazyeye:
 
knowing that they was mistakenly switched in the shipping its only logical that they would switch them to the right possision sooner or later
 
knowing that they was mistakenly switched in the shipping its only logical that they would switch them to the right possision sooner or later

Yeah but with Firaxis' tempo... They haven't released a new patch in ages, although there are many major bugs in 3.13
 
Why were Qin and Kublai's leaderheads switched? Do you think the new or the old Qin looks better and more realistic. Personally i liked the old one better, Qin looks like the wimp he is, and Kublai demanded respect. Now its wierd.

Poll coming

Nah, Qin is a more potent ruler than Kublai Khan.
 
They were switched ages ago, back in the Warlords days. Why are people still acting like it's news?

The original release had them the wrong way round. Firaxis switched them, and now they're the right way round. Google for pictures of Qin Shi Huang and you'll realise there's simply no question about it. Firaxis didn't just make up the leaderheads from nowhere; pretty much all of them are based on pre-existing pictures.

Neither Qin nor Kublai were particularly nice people in real life. Qin (the correct way round) looks more scary in the game; he probably did in real life, too. Kublai looks less frightening, but more shifty. I think they've done a pretty good job with them, and it's a real shame the mistake was made in the original release as a lot of people don't seem to be able to see past it.
 
Even if it was a mistake, I liked the original pairing better. The outfit and haggard appearance of "current-Qin" look aggressive and warlike, so I think it fit Kublai Khan better. But even moreso, "current-Kublai" doesn't look aggressive or intimidating at all, with his small stature and docile expression. That leaderhead seemed more appropriate to me as a builder than a warmonger.

It's no longer "news" and it doesn't seem like it's being treated like news here. Apparently there are quite a few of us who didn't like the change.
 
I have a history timeline book I bought when I was a kid, and I distinctly remember the tiny potrait it had for Kublai Khan. It looked exactly like the one in BtS (or vanilla's QSH). So I like the change, though it's going to take quite a while getting used to it now. :D

I'll try and find a image of that potrait if I can.
 
I don't quite like the winding up a punch animation on the BtS Qin. But the actual appearances of both I like now in BtS.

I'm not sure why people think Qin would be more wimpy or not warlike. Look the guy up. :D
 
Even if it was a mistake, I liked the original pairing better. The outfit and haggard appearance of "current-Qin" look aggressive and warlike, so I think it fit Kublai Khan better. But even moreso, "current-Kublai" doesn't look aggressive or intimidating at all, with his small stature and docile expression. That leaderhead seemed more appropriate to me as a builder than a warmonger.

It's no longer "news" and it doesn't seem like it's being treated like news here. Apparently there are quite a few of us who didn't like the change.
Yeah, I agree. The leaderheads look more like the real people, but they don't match the (civ) leader's personalities anymore. Now the Chinese builder looks all agressive and arrogant, whilst the Mongol warlord looks like a wise and generous old man. I guess it proves that you can't really judge a book by its cover... :(
 
I have a history timeline book I bought when I was a kid, and I distinctly remember the tiny potrait it had for Kublai Khan. It looked exactly like the one in BtS (or vanilla's QSH). So I like the change, though it's going to take quite a while getting used to it now. :D

I'll try and find a image of that potrait if I can.

Please do! Someone (presumably you) mentioned such an image in a past thread, and I've tried to find it online and failed. I'd love to see it! I've collected suspected source images for most of Civ 4's leaders, but not yet managed to find one that matches Kublai's leaderhead well.

I don't quite like the winding up a punch animation on the BtS Qin. But the actual appearances of both I like now in BtS.

It fits his personality well. By the end of his life, he was extremely paranoid. My theory is that when you approach him, he momentarily thinks you're an assassin.

I'm not sure why people think Qin would be more wimpy or not warlike. Look the guy up. :D

I wish people would. Real life Qin Shi Huang strikes me as much more warlike than Kublai Khan - the former unified the whole of China by force, the latter mostly consolidated the empire his grandfather had already carved out. He improved the Mongolian empire's infrastructure and promoted the arts. While Qin Shi Huang did also have builder tendancies, I'd say he was more of a warmonger than Kublai. Neither were exactly peaceful, of course.

People seem to get hung up on their nationalities - the assumption seems to be that a Chinese leader couldn't possibly be a warmongering brute, and surely all Mongolians are only interested in war and don't care about civil issues. I wonder if this might be why the leaderheads were accidently mixed up in the first place.


One thing I think Firaxis did get wrong with Qin is his wonder-building probability (30%, which is barely over average, and equal to Kublai). This is a guy who built a new palace in his capitol every time he conquored a city. We're talking about the whole of China here - he conquored *a lot* of cities, and ended up with a heck of a lot of palaces. Then there's the Great Wall, the Terracotta Army, his burial site which is believed to contain rivers of mercury...Qin was extravagent. This really ought to be reflected with a high wonder-building tendancy, to rival Ramesses and Louis. Also, Qin gives a hidden +1 diplomatic modifier towards all foreign leaders, which is why he's comparatively friendly in the game. What on earth is the justification for that?
 
Qin:
qinemperor.jpg



Kublai:
250px-Kublai_Khan.jpg
 
Yes, I admit they look correct, but now it doesnt match their personalities INGAME!
 
He does have a high WB tendancy....

I'm pretty sure it's only 30%, which is equal to Kublai and many others. Can't remember whether I used the spreadsheets (the BtS one has a few errors) or looked directly at the XML. I'll double-check the XML tonight.

It can be as high as 50% for other leaders; 30% is not particularly high. Not for a guy who built literally hundreds of palaces, anyway; Qin was as ostentatious as any Egyptian pharoah.
 
I think they shouldn't have switched them back, even though they may look more historically accurate. Now Qin looks like the coolest guy in the game while Kublai reminds me of a vegetable...

Anyway, I edited my XML to change them back.
 
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