Quantum Query

[El_Machinae]

No, you've distinguished between a magnet and a charge, which is quite a bit different from distinguishing thier fields

I'm thinking that an electric field interacts with an electric charge and a magnetic field interacts with a magnetic ... ?charge?. Since you need relative movement for crossover, it only matters if they're static. And since, in reality, nothing is static (except the 4D El_Mac, of course but I'll pretend that that's only relatively true), it doesn't matter.

Bah, this is tough to explain.

Trust me, the proton and electron would each change orientation by 90 degrees, and leave our 3D reality and go into their own separate ones. This would be a result of losing their field. The energy would 'kinda' come from losing their spin.

We're talking about an outrageous event here, so we need an outrageous answers.

 

[betazed]

I'm thinking that an electric field interacts with an electric charge and a magnetic field interacts with a magnetic ... ?charge?. Since you need relative movement for crossover, it only matters if they're static. And since, in reality, nothing is static (except the 4D El_Mac, of course but I'll pretend that that's only relatively true), it doesn't matter.

Bah, this is tough to explain.

Trust me, the proton and electron would each change orientation by 90 degrees, and leave our 3D reality and go into their own separate ones. This would be a result of losing their field. The energy would 'kinda' come from losing their spin.

Are you trying to deliberately confuse us?

 

[El_Machinae]

Okay, you two smarty pants ...

What would happen (or what would need to happen) if an atom lost its field?

At least I've given an answer.

 

[Perfection]

I'm thinking that an electric field interacts with an electric charge and a magnetic field interacts with a magnetic ... ?charge?. Since you need relative movement for crossover, it only matters if they're static. And since, in reality, nothing is static (except the 4D El_Mac, of course but I'll pretend that that's only relatively true), it doesn't matter.

No it does matter. An electric field under movement doesn't just interact with external magnetic field it becomes partially a magnetic field.

Trust me,

Why should I?

the proton and electron would each change orientation by 90 degrees,

How the hell does that work?

and leave our 3D reality and go into their own separate ones.

How?

This would be a result of losing their field. The energy would 'kinda' come from losing their spin.

Particles don't lose spin, an electron without spin is not an electron!

We're talking about an outrageous event here, so we need an outrageous answers.

No we don't. "
It can't happen" is perfectly acceptable.

 

[Perfection]

What would happen (or what would need to happen) if an atom lost its field?

It would have to be converted into matter that doesn't interact with the electric force.

At least I've given an answer.

Mines better.

 

[betazed]

What would happen (or what would need to happen) if an atom lost its field?

What field? As I said quantum mechanically speaking there is no field to begin with. So how can it lose something it does not have.

The only thing going on is that the charged pieces of an atom are continuously emitting and absorbing virtual photons. They cannot stop doing that however you may wiggle the atom (or break it or do whatever with it).

 

[El_Machinae]

No it does matter. An electric field under movement doesn't just interact with external magnetic field it becomes partially a magnetic field.

Exactly

Particles don't lose spin, an electron without spin is not an electron!

Exactly

 

[Perfection]

Exactly

Exactly

You haven't been eating Bozo's brownies? Have you?

 

[Souron]

Talking about something that would be if something immposible happened is a very senceless descusion. Ocasionally, you might get one answer, but sometimes you get several, depending on how you look at it. In the end it's all meaningless.

For example, betazed's suggestion of what would be if there was only one electron. On one hand, because there are no other particles there would be no EM feilds. On the other hand the uncertainty principle states that an electric or magnetic feild must exist everywhere in space. And since these two feilds manifest themselves as vertual particles, you'd soon be violating the condition that there is only one electron. Alternatively, you could claim that the univerce is too small to fit any other particles. But problems arise from that aproach too, mostly becouse then the state of the electron cannot change, and therefore in some sence known the whole time, violating the uncertainty principle again.

So when asking questions about the impossible, don't expect the answers to make sence or agree with each other.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

You haven't been eating Bozo's brownies? Have you?

Whatever you do, stay away from the Kool Aid! If all he's had are the brownies, no need to worry, he'll be back to his old self in a couple of days.

 

[History_Buff]

This is becoming more and more like "Unstoppable object meets immovable object" kinda paradox. It just can't happen is all the explanation the world ever needs.

 

[El_Machinae]

You haven't been eating Bozo's brownies? Have you?

Well, we know that the electrons and protons have to stop moving and stop spinning to get rid of their field. Stopping them stops them from being what they are.

We also have the problem of the conservation of mass. This is why the mass is retained, but moved elsewhere.

 

[Souron]

Well, we know that the electrons and protons have to stop moving and stop spinning to get rid of their field. Stopping them stops them from being what they are.

We also have the problem of the conservation of mass. This is why the mass is retained, but moved elsewhere.

By what force?

 

[Perfection]

Well, we know that the electrons and protons have to stop moving and stop spinning to get rid of their field. Stopping them stops them from being what they are.

Spin doesn't have much do with electric charge. There'd still be an electromagnetic field if electrons spun or if they didn't.

We also have the problem of the conservation of mass. This is why the mass is retained, but moved elsewhere.

Conservation of mass is breakable.

 

[El_Machinae]

By what force?

I have no idea. How would you stop an electron from spinning?

The only analogy I can think of would be pounding asteroids into a planet at an angle that slows its spin. But, electrons are insufficiently similar to use the analogy and substitute ... something ... for asteroids.

 

[Souron]

Spin doesn't have much do with electric charge. There'd still be an electromagnetic field if electrons spun or if they didn't.

They wouldn't be electrons if they did not have spin. Thus who knows the properties they may then have.

I have no idea. How would you stop an electron from spinning?

You can't.

 

[Perfection]

I have no idea. How would you stop an electron from spinning?

Electrons never stop spinning. Spin is a fundamental propert of electrons.

They wouldn't be electrons if they did not have spin. Thus who knows the properties they may then have.

Of course, but the charge really isn't related to the spin (at least on the level of physics that we know)

 

[El_Machinae]

Well, if I said "What would happen if you disintegrated a human" you would say "humans are never disintigrated, being integrated is fundamental to being a human"

This is true, but while a human cannot be disintigrated, and remain human, one can still be disintigrated.

Electrons can stop spinning, it's just a question as to what happens after they stop.

 

[Perfection]

Electrons can stop spinning

No they can't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(physics)

 

[Sidhe]

Yeah, but elementary particles don't even spin, so they can't stop spinning.

Your right it is a slight misnomer in that it leads people to believe they actually spin like a top round and round from 0 to 360 degrees when in fact IIRC from what I was told they jigle back and forth. I wish I could show you the hand movement I was shown but I'll just have to picture it

_\|/_ back and forth something like that although the if you see what I mean but not in a 180 degree arc that's artisitic licence.

In theory if you reached absolute 0 then all atomic motion would stop, most people believe that it's not possible to reach absolute zero.

I'm not sure the universe would explode should the EM forces stop, I'd like to see perfection provide a link to that, but then I think he was joking.