Question regarding Fascism

[CELTICEMPIRE]

I find it ironic that Fascism receives a bigger worker bonus then Communism.

Hitler's policies actually did increase production of infrastructure in Germany, especially railroads, making Fascism accurate.

 

[Nicol.Bolas]

And despotism and communism are not equally brutal? Forced labor for rush building shows the effects of the government's treatment of its people. Why the double hit? However, if you receive a 200% worker bonus, then maybe you can argue that you take the hit because you 'worked' all the weaklings to death.

Either way, pretending that communism was not at least as effective at killing its own poeple as facisim is a little silly. For that matter, every mode of government is a pretty good at doing that job for any class of citizen it preceives as undesirable.

no... despotism is just a way in which any small group of people operates. civilopedia even tells you it only works in small groups.
you can see the same thing in every small group today, whether a group of friends, football team, or in your job.

communism - again, no. my country had communism for 50 years and it was good - no unemployment , free schools and hospitals, little crime... life was assured to be good.
even today many want to go back
there wasn't so much goods and no exotic vacations, but anway only few can afford it today....

yes there were work camps, but only people who deserved to be there went there - really rich people, who abused workers in past, etc.....
many politicians should go in such camps today, for the crimes and thefts and corruption they do against common people....

but of course eventually capitalism won the war, so it was them who wrote the propaganda and textbooks
really it keeps to amaze me, how well is state property and communism represented in civ games - very objectively, only minimal anti-propaganda

 

[ChaosArbiter]

I find it ironic that Fascism receives a bigger worker bonus then Communism.

Actually, given that Fascism is an extremely nationalistic form of government, it makes sense - theoretically, all the people of the culture love the nation so much they work that hard because they want to.

no... despotism is just a way in which any small group of people operates. civilopedia even tells you it only works in small groups.
you can see the same thing in every small group today, whether a group of friends, football team, or in your job.

Oh? Are we using the same Civilopedia? Here's what mine says:
In Despotism, you rule with absolute power over your subjects, usually enforced by the military.
...
Despotism is, without a doubt, the simplest form of government. It is based on a simple concept: might makes right. In a despotism, the power is held unquestioningly by those who hold power over the military and can therefore enforce their decrees. Because of the oppression experienced in this type of regime, despots often find that their ability to control the population is proportional to their use of armed troops in towns and cities in which the people live.
...
Yeah, I'm really the head honcho of my company because I'm the meanest, most aggressive person there. [/sarcasm]

communism - again, no. my country had communism for 50 years and it was good - no unemployment , free schools and hospitals, little crime... life was assured to be good.
even today many want to go back
there wasn't so much goods and no exotic vacations, but anway only few can afford it today....

Which country?
Edit: Bohemia, means Czech Republic. All in all, it's probably one of the better examples of real-world communism out there, although it did have its own purges.

 

[Takhisis]

Stop the political crap now.

 

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[Turner]

Moderator Action: If by 'political' you mean 'off topic', yes please.

It's reasonable to say that fascism has a bonus and communism doesn't because of real life examples. But, going into real-world quality of life and what people are wanting back, is probably not on topic.

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[Menacing Wolf]

If I'm playing on a very large map I like to use Fascism. If Im expanding militarily it works out for me because it seems to replace the old cultures citizens with your cultures citizens.

 

[del62]

Never used Facsicm, never going to research it.

I would like to see democracy strengthened in civ 3, it has no real advantages over republic.

 

[darski]

I remember the powerhouse that Fascism was in Civ II and this III version is just a weak sister. ...never even consider it.

 

[Ataxerxes]

Never used Facsicm, never going to research it.

I would like to see democracy strengthened in civ 3, it has no real advantages over republic.

I think it does have advantages, faster worker speed and slightly less corruption. However, I agree, it should be strengthened. For me, it's real problem is two optional techs, one very expensive. If Democracy was a required tech, that would probably strengthen it enough.

Never been tempted by Fascism either. I'm not big on optional techs unless they really give you something. I admit to liking literature for libraries (esp if Scientific, faster culture building than temples) but that's about it.

 

[Takhisis]

But Literature pays for itself because Libraries don't only mean culture but also faster research once you get them going.

 

[ChaosArbiter]

I remember the powerhouse that Fascism was in Civ II and this III version is just a weak sister. ...never even consider it.

There wasn't a Fascism in Civ2 - there was a Fundamentalism government, which was just awesome, though.

 

[darski]

There wasn't a Fascism in Civ2 - there was a Fundamentalism government, which was just awesome, though.

Oops my mistake - the two are kissing cousins so i always equate them.

 

[Stratagist IV]

I think it does have advantages, faster worker speed and slightly less corruption. However, I agree, it should be strengthened. For me, it's real problem is two optional techs, one very expensive. If Democracy was a required tech, that would probably strengthen it enough.

I think democracy is perfectly fine as is. More often than not the artificial stupidity will waste their time on it and after that you can either steal it or trade for it. The only disadvantage at that point is the anarchy. Most people don't switch due to the additional 8 turns of anarchy, but the religious civs can ignore that. In the years that went into developing CivIII and the years that went into the expansions (and as such balance fixes that went with them) I think democracy was made the way it is for a reason.

 

[Ataxerxes]

But Literature pays for itself because Libraries don't only mean culture but also faster research once you get them going.

It easily pays for itself. It's an optional tech I really like. I do research it if I can't trade for it right after I get out of the AA.

I suppose I could trade for Democracy but by that point I'm doing a lot of warring. I probably overreact, when I first started I always researched and switched to Deomocracy. At low levels I couldn't figure out the cost of researching the two techs made it not worth it.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Oops my mistake - the two are kissing cousins so i always equate them.

how?

 

[ChaosArbiter]

They're both relatively late-game governments that start with "F," end with "ism," and have a whole bunch of units killing everything in the middle?

 

[Takhisis]

Well the same applies to Feudalism.

 

[Takhisis]

It easily pays for itself. It's an optional tech I really like. I do research it if I can't trade for it right after I get out of the AA.

I suppose I could trade for Democracy but by that point I'm doing a lot of warring. I probably overreact, when I first started I always researched and switched to Deomocracy. At low levels I couldn't figure out the cost of researching the two techs made it not worth it.

I also forgot to say that the Great Library helps a bit with the research on higher difficulty levels as well. Even better, eh?

 

[darski]

They're both relatively late-game governments that start with "F," end with "ism," and have a whole bunch of units killing everything in the middle?

that's it right there