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Questions about The BUG Mod
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/uninstall BUG then...
EmperorFool
Deity
I've been quite overloaded IRL and with BUG/BULL lately. We're actually working on a solution to the slowdown with respect to selecting units in large stacks.
No, Civ4 requires that for multiplayer games all players must be using the mod or none. There's nothing we can do about that. You can alter game state with the Python APIs, so there's no way for Firaxis to detect "interface-only" mods and allow some players to use them.
Is it the selection of units in large stacks that I mentioned above that's slow, or the game in general? For the unit selection, you can turn off some of the extra graphics on the Plot List options tab, such as
Now that's odd. The only thing BUG does during diplomacy is to log the choices you make after you make them if you have Autolog turned on. Switch to the Logging tab and disable it. It's probably not something you want on during multiplayer games anyway.
Are you playing on 3.19? I have noticed a considerable lag a few times when loading a game that immediately pops up an AI diplomacy request. I had it wait 10 seconds once. It's only happened a few times, and it happened immediately after patching to 3.19 so I don't see how it could be BUG.
Yes, this is the necessary install method for all multiplayer games.
If you can give me any more details or specifics, I might be able to help further.
No, Civ4 requires that for multiplayer games all players must be using the mod or none. There's nothing we can do about that. You can alter game state with the Python APIs, so there's no way for Firaxis to detect "interface-only" mods and allow some players to use them.
Is it the selection of units in large stacks that I mentioned above that's slow, or the game in general? For the unit selection, you can turn off some of the extra graphics on the Plot List options tab, such as
- Mission Tag
- Movement Bar
- Upgrade Indicator
- Promotion Indicator
- Great General Indicator
Now that's odd. The only thing BUG does during diplomacy is to log the choices you make after you make them if you have Autolog turned on. Switch to the Logging tab and disable it. It's probably not something you want on during multiplayer games anyway.
Are you playing on 3.19? I have noticed a considerable lag a few times when loading a game that immediately pops up an AI diplomacy request. I had it wait 10 seconds once. It's only happened a few times, and it happened immediately after patching to 3.19 so I don't see how it could be BUG.
Yes, this is the necessary install method for all multiplayer games.
If you can give me any more details or specifics, I might be able to help further.
Sure I will have a chat with my friend and we will try to provide further info. Some of us really liked bug mod, but since a few of us had uber lag none of us can use it now 
Version is still 3.17... and logging should be off by default iirc.
About the lag now, I have noticed some lag when selecting units and more overal lag than usual. But not a deadly lag like my friend reported. I will try to get him and will be back with more info.
Then maybe you can suggest some steps to pinpoint this lag? We could try turning off the features you mentioned.
Anything else that could cause lag I mentioned? He complained about the lag every time someone even tried to initiate diplomacy screen (but I have to ask more questions further down here).
What I find weird is that neither of us notices any lag singleplayer. If you have any other suggestions just tell me and I will try to convince people to use BUG for the next multiplayer game (though that will be hard). Also another friend noticed that he cant type messages when in diplomatic conversation anymore. Even after BUG uninstall, but I doubt that is the cause.
p.s. sorry for my rambling style, I am a bit out of phase these days.
p.p.s - how to change gamestate so it doesn't detect bug mod? I noticed we can start the game with a few people using the mod and others not using it. But, we cannot load the game later - people with no mod get an error.
Version is still 3.17... and logging should be off by default iirc.
About the lag now, I have noticed some lag when selecting units and more overal lag than usual. But not a deadly lag like my friend reported. I will try to get him and will be back with more info.
Then maybe you can suggest some steps to pinpoint this lag? We could try turning off the features you mentioned.
Anything else that could cause lag I mentioned? He complained about the lag every time someone even tried to initiate diplomacy screen (but I have to ask more questions further down here).
What I find weird is that neither of us notices any lag singleplayer. If you have any other suggestions just tell me and I will try to convince people to use BUG for the next multiplayer game (though that will be hard). Also another friend noticed that he cant type messages when in diplomatic conversation anymore. Even after BUG uninstall, but I doubt that is the cause.
p.s. sorry for my rambling style, I am a bit out of phase these days.
p.p.s - how to change gamestate so it doesn't detect bug mod? I noticed we can start the game with a few people using the mod and others not using it. But, we cannot load the game later - people with no mod get an error.
Balderstrom
Emperor
Go into options CTRL+ALT+O, and turn off Plot List. That should resolve any unit selection lag.
As EF said, you all need to use it or none. If none, then uninstall Bug mod, and just reinstall it as Single-Player MOD option. Then it will not load unless you manually load it in a single player game.
As EF said, you all need to use it or none. If none, then uninstall Bug mod, and just reinstall it as Single-Player MOD option. Then it will not load unless you manually load it in a single player game.
Ok, everybody is telling me that.
But there is no warning! The game allows me to start it even if 2 players have BUG and 3 not. And since there are not any gameplay-related changes I guess OOS should not happen either. It is just that it wont load game for people who don't have the mod (if the host had it when saving I suppose...). So, any way I can change savegame so we can load? I get CTD sometimes so we have to load (me beeing the host too).
Balderstrom
Emperor
If you play with locked assets - the game wont allow that.
Ive been using this MOD for a couple of days now and ive noticed the turn time is roughly 8seconds before ive got liberalism tech on Standard Map, 8 Civs. May not sound much but it all adds up! Without this Mod i have about a 1second turn delay at this period and around 4seconds late game.
First glance this was a great MOD like the others, but i cannot wait for turns to roll over. What is with all this extra load time MODs throw out, its incredibly annoying.
Is there any way to speed turn time without changing my computer?
First glance this was a great MOD like the others, but i cannot wait for turns to roll over. What is with all this extra load time MODs throw out, its incredibly annoying.
Is there any way to speed turn time without changing my computer?
Balderstrom
Emperor
CivilizationIV.ini
Doesn't include anything of/or after the [GAME] header.
Back up your current .ini (rename). Try these settings. If it doesn't help. No loss.
Spoiler :
Doesn't include anything of/or after the [GAME] header.
Back up your current .ini (rename). Try these settings. If it doesn't help. No loss.
Balderstrom
Emperor
Speed Issues - seems to be coming up a fair bit of late.
I am curious, is it possible to compile things like:
CvMainInterface.py to CvMainInterface.pyc
Or would that cause Civ to not recognize the file any longer and default back to the BTS unmodified CvMainInterface.py
If it is possible, would that not inherently bring a speed boost?
(The code itself could still be distributed like CvMainInterface.py.bug)
I am curious, is it possible to compile things like:
CvMainInterface.py to CvMainInterface.pyc
Or would that cause Civ to not recognize the file any longer and default back to the BTS unmodified CvMainInterface.py
If it is possible, would that not inherently bring a speed boost?
(The code itself could still be distributed like CvMainInterface.py.bug)
Sure I will have a chat with my friend and we will try to provide further info. Some of us really liked bug mod, but since a few of us had uber lag none of us can use it now
Version is still 3.17... and logging should be off by default iirc.
About the lag now, I have noticed some lag when selecting units and more overal lag than usual. But not a deadly lag like my friend reported. I will try to get him and will be back with more info.
Then maybe you can suggest some steps to pinpoint this lag? We could try turning off the features you mentioned.
Anything else that could cause lag I mentioned? He complained about the lag every time someone even tried to initiate diplomacy screen (but I have to ask more questions further down here).
What I find weird is that neither of us notices any lag singleplayer. If you have any other suggestions just tell me and I will try to convince people to use BUG for the next multiplayer game (though that will be hard). Also another friend noticed that he cant type messages when in diplomatic conversation anymore. Even after BUG uninstall, but I doubt that is the cause.
p.s. sorry for my rambling style, I am a bit out of phase these days.
p.p.s - how to change gamestate so it doesn't detect bug mod? I noticed we can start the game with a few people using the mod and others not using it. But, we cannot load the game later - people with no mod get an error.
The report Neik gave you is not entirely correct.
I noticed singleplayer lag. After the multiplayer game where i had major trouble with performance, i lowered the graphics to the minimum and went single player, standard map size, around 10 players in total. Things were going well (no lag whatsover i believe) up to moment when i traded for the world map. From then on, the performance dropped significantly, but was still (barely) playable. (Similar to the performance in multiplayer game when noone was trying to contact me. When somebody tried to contact me, the game went into dia mode, it took like 5-10 seconds for a stack to become selected after i clicked on it.)
I turned off the options you recommended, there was some improvement but not much.
I then tried turning off the bugmod and started a new game, huge map size, around 15 players. I traded the map, after a laggy moment things were back to normal, just maybe slightly slower. No problem with playability.
We haven't played another bugmod multigame since then, the one without it went without problems.
Hope this helps a bit.
btw, love the bugmod (when things are going ok performance-wise)
EmperorFool
Deity
To anyone having speed issues, are you all using BUG 3.6 from the EXE installer or some other version?
One person said that the in-between time jumped from 1 to 8 seconds. Do you have things like friendly/enemy moves turned on?
One thing to try is to completely disable Autolog at the code level. To do this, open Assets/Config/init.xml in Notepad or some other editor. Do a find for Autolog and change this line:
by commenting it out (insert "!--" and "--"):
Restart civ and load you game and see if that makes a noticeable difference. Also, if someone could post some saves that demonstrate the issue clearly, that would be very helpful.
When I run with and without BUG, the only place I see a speed difference is selecting units in large stacks. Everything else runs the same speed AFAICT.
One person said that the in-between time jumped from 1 to 8 seconds. Do you have things like friendly/enemy moves turned on?
One thing to try is to completely disable Autolog at the code level. To do this, open Assets/Config/init.xml in Notepad or some other editor. Do a find for Autolog and change this line:
Code:
<load mod="Autolog"/>by commenting it out (insert "!--" and "--"):
Code:
<[B][COLOR="DarkOrange"]!--[/COLOR][/B]load mod="Autolog"/[B][COLOR="DarkOrange"]--[/COLOR][/B]>Restart civ and load you game and see if that makes a noticeable difference. Also, if someone could post some saves that demonstrate the issue clearly, that would be very helpful.
When I run with and without BUG, the only place I see a speed difference is selecting units in large stacks. Everything else runs the same speed AFAICT.
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz
- 2GB RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT
EmperorFool
Deity
The F7 Religious Advisor says which religions are founded and which not.
Bushface
Deity
Why in the Domestic Advisor screens do some of my cities show a defence of +25% above that shown in the city screens ? Note the "some" - it's about 1 in 5, at irregular intervals down the list, and affects true values which range from 80% down to 20%.
No, I do not have Chichen Itza, which some blighter built on another continent, and is the only thing I know which could add 25% to city defence.
No, I do not have Chichen Itza, which some blighter built on another continent, and is the only thing I know which could add 25% to city defence.
Balderstrom
Emperor
Doesn't the CityScreen only show the Defense from culture, and doesn't count if its on a Hill?
EmperorFool
Deity
It may count the hill since that's fixed. The best way to tell is check the code. 
Bushface
Deity
It is indeed the 25% hill defence. Odd, since a couple of the cities are garrisoned with left-over Horse Archers which do not get defence bonuses and there are others garrisoned with Longbowmen which of course get 25% city and 25% hill defences and, indeed, another 25% from the boredom of sitting still for years and years, keeping the populace happy.
EmperorFool
Deity
It probably would make sense to remove the 25% for hills just for this reason. It always depends on who is going to defend, and I'm not going to bother writing code to detect when you only have one type of defender. If someone else does this, I'll happily add it in there.
dirtyparrot
Upholding Brannigan's Law
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I don't know if I should post this in the BULL thread or here, but I've noticed that the ACO is missing the probability of the unit being unharmed after the battle. Is this a problem specific to me or BULL? And is there any way for me to fix this? Thanks.
EmperorFool
Deity
That may be because I have an older version of ACO in there or that you need to use a higher level of detail. The new (1.1) version breaks out the options individually so you can turn each item on/off at will. I will be merging that in sometime in the next couple weeks I hope.
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