Quot Capita: Majesty

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Just trying to crush bugs with the mod. Its been pretty frustrating actually..I would not want a job doing XML coding LOL. Thankyou for asking.

 

[Daft73]

Just trying to crush bugs with the mod. Its been pretty frustrating actually..I would not want a job doing XML coding LOL. Thankyou for asking.

Indeed, but don't forget that you'll learn from the experience...
and that the community appreciates the effort and the time involved.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

True enough.

Other than bug fixing here are some other things I've been doing:

Working on the Huns and Venice. I want the Huns to be unique in that they do not build settlers, instead they conquer to build their empire. They will get a unit that replaces the settler that is a strong cavalry type unit that does not require any population or resources.

Venice will have a line of merchant caravan units, still thinking of what they will replace.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I hope to have the new version out something around Christmas, I need to make sure its stable and finalize afew things is all.

Some more info

New Civ: Rajput, the warrior kingdom of Nepal and the Katara and Pata are at your command. The Fourth and final Indian Civilization.

New Civ: Minoans, aka Crete.

Stone Spearman, Spearman and Pikeman now can act as reliable city defenders( via 50 percent city strength), though not as powerful as Archers and Longbowmen, as in Civ3.

I've also been going threw each civilization and adding an additional UU where I think its appropriate.

Examples:

Incans: Inti Warrior, in addition to existing UU
Rome: Ballista(From Civ5), in addition to existing UU
China: Celestial Guard, in addition to existing UU
Korea: War Wagon and Turtle Ship
Japan: Zero(from Civ5)
Nubia: Royal Medjay
Phoenicians: Edessa Knight
Carthage: Atlas Elephant(The Forest Elephant from Civ5)

Hindi, Mughals share the Mahout and Siege Elephant, both have true UUs as well.
Aztec, Toltec share the Eagle Warrior as a second UU
Swahili, Zimbabwe and Zulu share the Lion Warrior as a secondary UU.

Sorry its taking so long..

 

[Drakarska]

Interesting SOG. Are you making them National Units, where you will only be allowed a certain number (well, with the obvious exception of the zero)?

Hmnn. Re-looking at the list, some of those could be NU. Whereas others wouldn't be. Might be something to consider for a future update. I could probably assist you with quite a few (historically speaking of course ) if you decide to go that route. It obviously doesn't need to mimic RI mod, but given the content of this mod, it might be fun to have NU's.

 

[Daft73]

.....
Sorry its taking so long..

Don't be. We all have plenty of things to do in life, or games to keep us occupied. I'm a sucker for anything ancient, so hearing about Crete is nice. Looking forward to your next installment

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Interesting SOG. Are you making them National Units, where you will only be allowed a certain number (well, with the obvious exception of the zero)?

Hmnn. Re-looking at the list, some of those could be NU. Whereas others wouldn't be. Might be something to consider for a future update. I could probably assist you with quite a few (historically speaking of course ) if you decide to go that route. It obviously doesn't need to mimic RI mod, but given the content of this mod, it might be fun to have NU's.

I'd be honored to have your help as always Drakar. Some of the new UU could be national units, been thinking about that myself actually. I'm trying to figure out a good secondary UU for Persia, Egypt and Babylon, something from ancient times.

Also regarding the Minoans I'm wondering what would be appropriate for them as a UU.

Daft73 I'm glad you like the idea of Crete as a civ. I'd like to add Troy as well. Part of me wants to go with the theory that Atlantis was actually Crete and add all sorts of crazy things for that civilization like Pyramid Factories as a late game UB, or maybe just have Atlantis as a separate civ just for fun, as a pluggable or otherwise civ, depending on what people would like.

 

[Drakarska]

Give me a few days to research (wacky schedule ), and I'll toss some ideas your way.

 

[Daft73]

Nice SoG, those are some nice 'fantasy'(word used lightly) civs worth adding. Since QCM is only loosely based on real history these civs fit fine..you could also throw in the Amazons. Here are 2 on the database, might be worth a look

SaibotLieh Amazon

strategyonly Amazon

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Yeah I've seen Saibohlieh's Amazons and I'm very impressed. Guess I'll be adding the three semi-mythical civs after all

Thinking of a UU for Atlantis..

 

[Daft73]

Here is a website I just happened by..The Pagan's Path

I'd suggest at least checking it out..there are 2 units I can see that may apply...
"The Priests and Priestess are next in line. They were the care takers of the temples, sort of the spiritual teachers for the masses and advisors to the law makers and scientists."
....Possibly a battle priest of sorts, Spear/moral bonus/heal
"Some people feel this growing conflict culminated when Atlantean science began splicing cells and genes to 'create' as God would create. But what they created was what we might call mutants. Centurions would be good examples of these experiments.

The half man, half horse beings were cast into the worker classes, but were still held in esteem positions. They took a place in society that was not needed before this time, as guards and guardians for the Priests, Priestesses, Prophets and Prophetess".
....This one is a little more fantasy based.

Anyways there is my 2c

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Here is a website I just happened by..The Pagan's Path

I'd suggest at least checking it out..there are 2 units I can see that may apply...
"The Priests and Priestess are next in line. They were the care takers of the temples, sort of the spiritual teachers for the masses and advisors to the law makers and scientists."
....Possibly a battle priest of sorts, Spear/moral bonus/heal
"Some people feel this growing conflict culminated when Atlantean science began splicing cells and genes to 'create' as God would create. But what they created was what we might call mutants. Centurions would be good examples of these experiments.

The half man, half horse beings were cast into the worker classes, but were still held in esteem positions. They took a place in society that was not needed before this time, as guards and guardians for the Priests, Priestesses, Prophets and Prophetess".
....This one is a little more fantasy based.

Anyways there is my 2c

Interesting.

I also have read of something called Oricalcum, some sort of mystic legendary metal which the Atlantians used.

 

[Drakarska]

Affirmative. It is a magical metal that is used (and highly sought after) to augment ANYTHING with magic. Wanna a magic flying ship that shoots fireballs while summoning lightning to charge your spider silk sails in order hit warp 5? then this stuff's your Holy Grail.

I used to be a huge TTRPG gamer (20+ years) and I still have all of my reference materials. If your really intent on going this route, then I highly recommend a supplement book called "Rifts; Atlantis" by Palladium Games. You could have an absolute field day for creating all sorts of wonderful stuff for your Atlantis from the wealth of material contained in this book (and the entire RPG series for that matter).

Earthdawn is another TTRPG series that uses Orichalcum in it to manufacture all sorts of stuff that can be used for research material. Ironically, when I used to have time to mod, I actually wanted to create a mod that contained both science and magic. Life got in the way however.

I'll work on some NU's for you over the next couple of days (at least give you some ideas ) SOG, and since this is quasi-historical, that will give me a lot more latitude by being able to use the mythos and legends of each civ instead of just historical fact.

As for Atlantis, it's your mod and call, but I highly recommend some research from different source materials. This could really flesh out the civ for one, and two, you could possibly create a scenario where Atlantis is the Billy-Bad-Ass of civ's and players have to survive (or whatever VC's). Just some thoughts.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Affirmative. It is a magical metal that is used (and highly sought after) to augment ANYTHING with magic. Wanna a magic flying ship that shoots fireballs while summoning lightning to charge your spider silk sails in order hit warp 5? then this stuff's your Holy Grail.

I used to be a huge TTRPG gamer (20+ years) and I still have all of my reference materials. If your really intent on going this route, then I highly recommend a supplement book called "Rifts; Atlantis" by Palladium Games. You could have an absolute field day for creating all sorts of wonderful stuff for your Atlantis from the wealth of material contained in this book (and the entire RPG series for that matter).

Earthdawn is another TTRPG series that uses Orichalcum in it to manufacture all sorts of stuff that can be used for research material. Ironically, when I used to have time to mod, I actually wanted to create a mod that contained both science and magic. Life got in the way however.

I'll work on some NU's for you over the next couple of days (at least give you some ideas ) SOG, and since this is quasi-historical, that will give me a lot more latitude by being able to use the mythos and legends of each civ instead of just historical fact.

As for Atlantis, it's your mod and call, but I highly recommend some research from different source materials. This could really flesh out the civ for one, and two, you could possibly create a scenario where Atlantis is the Billy-Bad-Ass of civ's and players have to survive (or whatever VC's). Just some thoughts.

Exactly. The way I figure it anyway is that reality is often stranger than fiction, and there have been plenty of strange things and legends that already have been proven or found, and also knowledge which today is forgotten, like the secret of Greek Fire for example.

So I view the first few eras as times when magic and all manner of legend may exist, then later get lost in time.

I've heard of Rifts, when I was in High School I read a magazine with Pen and Paper RPG material and I saw some adds for that game system. I was thinking Atlantis would be something ahead of its time, with buildings and units which are stronger, but perhaps much more expensive(to offset the power), than contemporary civilizations.

The secret to Atlantian success would be Orichalcum.

 

[Daft73]

Another idea, is to give Atlantis the ability to Build cities in the Ocean.This has already been done on Planetfall, so it just be a matter of adding in.

The Orichalcum could be a new ore to add to civ, maybe for all other civs it gives some type of bonus. Maybe +1or +1, whilst the Atlanteans need it for UU's..plus the bonus. The other civs could use this as trade leverage since Atlantis needs it, where as all other civs it just serves as a bonus to commerce/production.

 

[Drakarska]

Another idea, is to give Atlantis the ability to Build cities in the Ocean.This has already been done on Planetfall, so it just be a matter of adding in.

The Orichalcum could be a new ore to add to civ, maybe for all other civs it gives some type of bonus. Maybe +1or +1, whilst the Atlanteans need it for UU's..plus the bonus. The other civs could use this as trade leverage since Atlantis needs it, where as all other civs it just serves as a bonus to commerce/production.

Nice idea Daft. My own recommendation would make it +2 , +2 and give the Atlanteans a bonus towards forges. The down side of this however, would make the resource depleatable. Hence making the Atlanteans really dependent on trade in order to sustain their bonuses.

I like this potential idea here, as Atlantis always fascinated me. There is a lot of potential here depending on which way SOG wants to go. Keep the ideas coming

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I'm liking these ideas..alot actually.

Makes me want to add in even more legendary civilizations.

Right now though I'll focus on Atlantis though.

Here are my current thoughts:

-Orichalcum will be a new resource which will be rare and act as both a luxury for all civs and a necessity for Atlantis, giving +2 and +2 for each individual resource in the city radius.

Atlantis will have the following Unique Buildings:

-Orichalcum Forge: This will(obviously) replace the forge. In addition to the usual boast to production, this building will also enable the training of Orichalcum Soldiers(for lack of a better name).

-Orichalcum Temple: Gives a bonus to science and happiness in the city. Atlantis does not build any of the usual religious temples.

-Orichalcum Pyramid Factory: Replaces the Factory, allows Atlantian cities to build Orichalcum Jets with the appropriate technology.

All three of these buildings will require access to Orichalcum.

Atlantis will have the following Unique Units:

-Myrmidon: Strong replacement for the Axemen that is amphibious. Only Atlantian UU that does not require Orichalcum.

-Orichalcum Soldier: The standard foot soldiers of Atlantis, replace Archers and in addition to the Archer's first strike ability, Orichalcum Soldiers have Commando and, Amphibious promotions. The downside is the steep unit cost and reliance on Orichalcum for production. Orichalum soldiers attack energy based-staff weapons, and act as Gunpowder units in that respect.

-Orichalcum Priest: These units are skilled commanders and also can build Orichalcum Pyramid Factories instantly in any of your cities, a task that normally would require many turns. These units replace Great Prophets.

-Orichalcum Jet: An early Air Unit buildable by Atlantis. They are weak in terms of power but the very fact of having an airforce so early is a feat by itself.

Atlantis would be an ancient civilization with technology that would not be seen until thousands of years later, whose cultural reach influenced the Minoans, Egyptians and Mesoamerica.

 

[Daft73]

Spoiler :

I'm liking these ideas..alot actually.

Makes me want to add in even more legendary civilizations.

Right now though I'll focus on Atlantis though.

Here are my current thoughts:

-Orichalcum will be a new resource which will be rare and act as both a luxury for all civs and a necessity for Atlantis, giving +2 and +2 for each individual resource in the city radius.

Atlantis will have the following Unique Buildings:

-Orichalcum Forge: This will(obviously) replace the forge. In addition to the usual boast to production, this building will also enable the training of Orichalcum Soldiers(for lack of a better name).

-Orichalcum Temple: Gives a bonus to science and happiness in the city. Atlantis does not build any of the usual religious temples.

-Orichalcum Pyramid Factory: Replaces the Factory, allows Atlantian cities to build Orichalcum Jets with the appropriate technology.

All three of these buildings will require access to Orichalcum.

Atlantis will have the following Unique Units:

-Myrmidon: Strong replacement for the Axemen that is amphibious. Only Atlantian UU that does not require Orichalcum.

-Orichalcum Soldier: The standard foot soldiers of Atlantis, replace Archers and in addition to the Archer's first strike ability, Orichalcum Soldiers have Commando and, Amphibious promotions. The downside is the steep unit cost and reliance on Orichalcum for production. Orichalum soldiers attack energy based-staff weapons, and act as Gunpowder units in that respect.

-Orichalcum Priest: These units are skilled commanders and also can build Orichalcum Pyramid Factories instantly in any of your cities, a task that normally would require many turns. These units replace Great Prophets.

-Orichalcum Jet: An early Air Unit buildable by Atlantis. They are weak in terms of power but the very fact of having an airforce so early is a feat by itself.

Atlantis would be an ancient civilization with technology that would not be seen until thousands of years later, whose cultural reach influenced the Minoans, Egyptians and Mesoamerica.

Very cool ideas..but on another note
I'm having an issue on my current game ....It seems to have to do with meeting Japan, here is the save on the prior turn..
Also I'm using the Totestra map script so here that is..

Totestra
View attachment AutoSave_BC-78000.CivBeyondSwordSave

 

[Daft73]

Well to see what happened I tried something

The gods brought down their fury(meaning ctrl-w), Poseidon himself dammed the Japanese flooding the capital, forever wiping them from the face of the earth.

After this I was able to continue. Just thought I'd add that little info.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

So something about encountering Japan crashed your game...which Japanese leader was it?

May have been an art problem. I've fixed a lot of those since the last version. Ill see if there is any problems with them,

I know a big problem was the modular nature of the new UUs in the last version, which I've fixed..