Rand and Marx

[ParkCungHee]

Wait. What's this? All I've seen is the version with the trippy techno. That sounds much more awesome.

In the 1980s they made a colorized version. Queen was on the soundtrack, along with a few other 80s bands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwamboSWiI

 

[Angst]

I don't think Marx has had an entire video game devoted to his thought.

Advantage: Rand.

What video game? Bioshock or something? I really have no clue. I haven't gamed properly for a while.

EDIT

If Ayn Rand is 'a political thinker' then every teenager with an opinion is a poltical thinker.
She was an obscure hack and if it wasn't for the internet and Bioshock she'd be practically unknown outside of the United States.

Got it. BioShock.

EDIT

"A bummed in the gob a day, keeps the lolbertarians at bay" - Karl Marx.

LOL

 

[muhtesem insan]

come on, even if you're a Laissez-faire economist you should accept that marx has contributed much more than her. The concept of Surplus value is enough by itself.

 

[G-Max]

Ayn Rand was right.

Karl Marx was wrong.

/thread

(also, the poll results expose the absurdly leftist bias that plagues this forum)

 

[Angst]

Ayn Rand was right.

How?

Karl Marx was wrong.

Also, how?

/thread

\needle

(also, the poll results expose the absurdly leftist bias that plagues this forum)

How? have you read any of the right-wingers' comments about Marx?

 

[muhtesem insan]

Ayn Rand was right.

Karl Marx was wrong.

/thread

(also, the poll results expose the absurdly leftist bias that plagues this forum)

and this is different from your rightist bias how?

 

[G-Max]

How?

Also, how?

There's a distinct correlation between free markets and economic prosperity.

Socialoid (socialist, communist, welfarist, state capitalist, whatever you want to call them) policies have produced economic stagnation at best and epic lolfail at worst.

and this is different from your rightist bias how?

I am not a rightist in any way. I oppose all forms of corporate welfare, especially the 2008 bank bailouts.

 

[ParkCungHee]

There's a distinct correlation between free markets and economic prosperity.

Socialoid (socialist, communist, welfarist, state capitalist, whatever you want to call them) policies have produced economic stagnation at best and epic lolfail at worst.

Since I can call them whatever I want, I shall call it objectivism, and it seems Rand is now in Marx's debt.

 

[muhtesem insan]

I am not a rightist in any way. I oppose all forms of corporate welfare, especially the 2008 bank bailouts.

Laissez-faire is on the far right side of political spectrum.

 

[Angst]

There's a distinct correlation between free markets and economic prosperity.

Socialoid (socialist, communist, welfarist, state capitalist, whatever you want to call them) policies have produced economic stagnation at best and epic lolfail at worst.

I think you should read through the thread.

Also, the latter just isn't true. You ever been to Scandinavia?

 

[G-Max]

Laissez-faire is on the far right side of political spectrum.

I'm not a Laissez-Faire advocate.

 

[muhtesem insan]

I'm not a Laissez-Faire advocate.

But you do think Ayn Rand was right?

 

[G-Max]

On most things, yes, though there are a few minimal regulations that I do support. Laws about food safety and false advertising should be strengthened, and minimum reserve ratios for banks need to be restored. Everything else, however, is disposable.

 

[muhtesem insan]

On most things, yes, though there are a few minimal regulations that I do support. Laws about food safety and false advertising should be strengthened, and minimum reserve ratios for banks need to be restored. Everything else, however, is disposable.

And this is a right wing position.

 

[Angst]

On most things, yes, though there are a few minimal regulations that I do support. Laws about food safety and false advertising should be strengthened, and minimum reserve ratios for banks need to be restored. Everything else, however, is disposable.

How the heck can you believe that and not be right wing?

 

[Tee Kay]

Bah, left-wing, right-wing are pretty useless terms beyond the simplest level of generalisation anyway.

 

[Angst]

Bah, left-wing, right-wing are pretty useless terms beyond the simplest level of generalisation anyway.

Indeed, but the implications of even the simple misnomer of "right-wing" seem to suit him fine.

Also, it's a moot point anyways, not what this thread is about. It's about the positive influence either of the thinkers have caused to the world. And even if I were a declared right-wing (I'm a declared nothing, which is hard to be when I'm biased) I'd still say Marx for obvious reasons.

We are taught Marx in history and society science in both primary and high school. Ayn Rand? Never heard of her before a few nutheads cited her on CFC. :b

 

[G-Max]

"Right-wing" types supported the bank bailouts. "Right-wing" types support subsidies for fossil fuel companies. Randroids and other libertarian-leaning people like me opposed such ideas. Laissez-faire and even "mostly but not entirely laissez-faire" economic ideologies are fundamentally incompatible with the contemporary American right wing, which occasionally succumbs to the fallacy that "protect the economy" means "protect Wall Street".

Oh, another regulation that I support: net neutrality.

 

[muhtesem insan]

hmmm you use distorted terminology you guys use in US. "American left wing" is still right wing.

 

[Cutlass]

"Right-wing" types supported the bank bailouts. "Right-wing" types support subsidies for fossil fuel companies. Randroids and other libertarian-leaning people like me opposed such ideas. Laissez-faire and even "mostly but not entirely laissez-faire" economic ideologies are fundamentally incompatible with the contemporary American right wing, which occasionally succumbs to the fallacy that "protect the economy" means "protect Wall Street".

Oh, another regulation that I support: net neutrality.

Instead people in that group support frequent economic depressions and far less wealth creation in the first place. Not a reasonable tradeoff.