Rat25 - AWE Training Game #2

[TheOverseer714]

I have finished my turn-set. All went well, settled 2 towns, captured 2 others. Here is the turn-log.

Spoiler :

Pre-flight check: All programs up and running. To-do list for this turn-set include destroying Asturias, getting some more cities built, and getting more money by trashing Mongol cities. Also try to get armies healthy. Switch barracks towns to riders rather than cannons.

Non combat:
Settlers 1
Workers 8, Slaves 32
Military:
Swords 4
Pikemen 21
Muskets 6
Cannons 9
Armies 5, 1 Sword, 1 MDI, 3 Rider
Riders 19
Medieval Infantry 6
Trebuchets 13

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IBT: Sinkiang cannon=>cannon.

760 AD: Bombards near Salt Mines 3-7.
vRider loses to American 3hp vKnight
eRider wins vs 3hp vKnight -1hp.
eRider wins vs 2hp vKnight -3hp.
at Riverbend, Easy Riders take red-lined Egyptian rMDI -1hp.
Easy Riders wins vs healthy Spanish rAC -2hp.
eRider wins vs healthy Russian rMDI -2hp
North of Riverbend, Rough Riders wins vs 3hp Russian vMDI.
Rough Riders wins vs healthy Russian vMDI, -2hp.
Rough Riders wins vs healthy Russian vMDI, -3hp. (8-1)

IBT: Rome cannon=>Barracks.
Shanghai riots (CA2 missed that one) hire taxman.
Hangchow 2 Walls=>cannon.
Shantung settler=>cannon.

770 AD: at Shanghai vRider wins vs Dutch 3hp vLB clean.
At Asturias vMDI wins vs rSpear clean.
*eMDI wins vs rSpear -1hp and Asturias is ours!=>Walls.
At Tree House Easy Riders wins vs healthy Dutch vSpear -3hp.
3hp eRider wins vs healthy Dutch vLB -2hp.
At Riverbend Rough Riders wins vs 1hp Dutch vLB, -1hp.
At SaltMines 3hp eRider wins vs red-lined American rMDI -1hp.(15-1)
Two Mountain founded NW of Beijing=>walls.

IBT: Military Tradition arrives, next is Astronomy.

780 AD: At Chengdu Two, bombards go 2-3
vRider wins vs 3hp Russian vMDI, -2hp, promotes.
eMDI wins vs 3hp Russian vMDI clean.
At Riverbend eSword wins vs wins vs 1hp Dutch vSpear, -2hp.
At Salt Mines 3hp eRider wins vs red-lined American rMDI -2hp.
At Darhan Tads 3 wins vs vMusket -5hp
Overseers wins vs vMusket -10hp, and Darhan is razed, yielding 392 gold, 3 slaves and 2 trebuchets. (21-1)

IBT: Russian vLB nearly kills vPike in Chengdu 2 -3hp, promotes.
Conquistador dies vs vMusket in Two Mountain. (23-1)
Beijing cavalry=>cavalry.
Shanghai cavalry=>cavalry.
Nanking cavalry=>cavalry.
Salt Mines cannon=>cannon.

790 AD: At Tree House, vMDI wins vs red-lined Dutch vLB clean.
At Riverbend , Bombards go 4-5. eRider wins vs 2hp Keshik clean.
eRider wins vs 2hp Keshik clean, and we get an MGL! Make army.
vCav wins vs Healthy Egyptian rKnight clean.
At Chinan eRider wins vs healthy Dutch vLB, -3hp.
Easy Riders wins vs 3hp Mongol vLB, -2hp. (29-1)

IBT: rConquistador out of nowhere destroys cannon in the open near Salt Mines.
Macao settler=>cannon.
Chinan cannon=> settler.

800 AD: At Riverbend, Bombards go 3-4.
eRider wins vs 1hp Keshik clean.
At Salt Mines eRider wins vs red-lined rConquistador -1hp.
At Chengdu Two, bombards go 5-6.
eMDI wins vs red-lined Egyptian rSpear clean.
eRider wins vs red-lined rAC -1hp, and we get another MGL!
Rush Military Academy in Beijing.
At Den Helder, Easy Riders wins vs 3hp Dutch vLB clean.
Easy Riders wins vs 3hp Keshik -1hp.
At Leiden, Rough Riders wins vs healthy Dutch rSpear, -1hp.
Rough Riders wins vs healthy Dutch rSpear, -3hp, and Leiden is ours!
=>Walls(37-1)

IBT: Beijing Military Academy=>cavalry.
Rome riots, clown.
Anyang cavalry=>musket.
Fishermans Wharf riots, clown.
Mongols settle Tosontsengel right near Army

810 AD: At Tosontsengel, Overseers Army wins vs healthy rMusket -2hp.
Overseers Army wins vs 2hp rMusket -1hp.
Overseers Army wins vs healthy rLB -1hp, and we raze Tosontsengel for a cool 409 gold.
At Salt Mines, Bombards go 3-8, Overseers Cavalry wins vs 3hp American vKnight, -1hp.
Overseers Cavalry wins vs 2hp American rKnight, -1hp.
Tads Army2 wins vs 2hp American rKnight, -1hp.(43-1)

IBT: Rome Barracks=>musket.
Canton cavalry=>cavalry.
Chengdu cavalry=>cavalry.
Two Mountain Walls=>Barracks.

820 AD: At Salt Mines, eRider wins vs red-lined American rMDI -1hp.
At Two Mountain, eRider wins vs red-lined rConquistador clean.
At Chengdu Two, vCavalry wins vs healthy Russian vLb, -1hp.
At Den Helder, Easy Riders wins vs healthy Dutch rSwiss -1hp, and Den Helder is ours, I raze it, 3 slaves captured.
At Riverbend, eRider wins vs red-lined Dutch rSpear, -4hp.
vCavalry wins vs red-lined Dutch vLb clean.
At Tree House, vMDI wins vs red-lined Dutch rSpear clean.
At Leiden, Rough Riders wins vs healthy Russian vMDI clean.
Rough Riders wins vs healthy Russian vMDI, -2hp.(52-1)

IBT: Xinjiang cavalry=>cavalry.
Paoting riots, hire clown.

830 AD: W of Salt Mines, Overseers Cavalry wins vs healthy American rMDI -1hp.
At Hangchow, 2, vCavalry wins vs 2hp rConquistador, -2hp.
At Tree House, vMDI wins vs red-lined Dutch rSpear clean, promotes.
At Riverbend, vCavalry wins vs 2hp Russian vMDI clean.(56-1)

IBT: American vKnight kills vPike at Tientsin 2.
American rKnight dies vs vCavalry, who promotes.
vAC kills 2hp vCavalry on mountain, no damage taken.(57-3)
Shanghai cavalry=>cavalry.
Nanking musket=> cavalry.
Tatung musket=> musket.
Tientsin 2 Walls=>cannon.

840 AD: At Tientsin 2, eCavalry wins vs 2hp American rKnight clean.
At Canton, vCavalry wins vs red-lined American rSpear clean, promotes.
At Salt Mines, vRider wins vs red-lined Keshik clean.
At Chengdu Two, 3hp vCavalry wins vs healthy Russian rPike clean.
Gobi Oasis founded NW of Canton.
At Gobi Oasis, Tads Army2 wins vs healthy American vKnight, -3hp.
Overseers Cavalry wins vs 3hp American vKnight, -1hp.
At Tree House, eRider wins vs 2hp Dutch rSpear, -1hp.
eMDI wins vs 3hp Spanish vLB clean.
At Riverbend, vCavalry wins vs 2hp Egyptian vCrusader -1hp.
vCavalry loses vs healthy Egyptian vKnight.
eSword wins vs red-lined Egyptian vKnight.(67-4)

IBT: Hangchow cavalry=>musket.

850 AD: At Gobi Oasis, eCavalry wins vs healthy American rMDI clean.
Battle of Valladolid, Overseers Cavalry wins vs vSpear, -1hp.
Overseers Cavalry wins vs vSpear, -2hp, and Valladolid is ours!(auto-razed)
At Two Mountain, trebs red-line Spanish vAC, eRider takes him out clean.
At Shanghai, eRider takes out Mongol rLB, -2hp.
At Riverbend, vCavalry wins vs 2hp Egyptian vKnight, -2hp.
3hp vCavalry wins vs red-lined Egyptian vKnight, -1hp.
At Leiden, Rough Riders take out healthy Russian rSpear, -1hp.
Rough Riders take out healthy Russian vLB clean.
At Chengdu Two, 3hp vCavalry wins vs healthy Russian vLB, -1hp, promotes. (77-4)

I went (77-4) 2 leaders from 20+ elite battles. Our military has:

Non combat:
Settler 1
Workers 8, Slaves 40
Military:
Swords 4
Pikemen 20
Musketmen 8
Cavalry 9
Cannons 16
Armies 6, 1 Sword, 1 MDI, 3 Rider, 1 Cavalry
Riders 16
Medieval Infantry 6
Trebuchets 10

A couple Screenshots:
And the save:

 

[ThERat]

looks like nice progress again

With cavs we should be able to really hit the enemies now

Roster
Own -
Greebley - up
TheOverseer - swapped with Greebley
ThERat - on deck
Tad Empire_0_o

 

[Greebley]

Ok I Got it.

 

[ThERat]

By the way, I will be going for a retreat to the Malaysian jungle and won't be around until saturday evening. Once Greebley has played his turns, Tad could take the save and play, I will then continue from there.

 

[Greebley]

I am about 1/2 way done. We got another cav army and are back up to our army limit.

Hope to finish tonight.

 

[Greebley]

Preturn: I do a bunch of MM. Some clowns can be scientists. Also tend to go for 2 scientists over 2 clowns. Switch around squares to get our capitol to 20 shields for Cav. Switch some builds. Some more settlers for example. Astronomy in 2 at -24 gpt when done.

IBT: A Musket is attacked and becomes Elite.

860 AD: Get a leader for another Cav Army. Kill nearby units.

870 AD: More units killed. Attack Rotterdam. Lost an Elite Sword to a Longbow.

IBT: No attacks.

880 AD: Capture Novosibirsk from Russia moving our front line forward.

IBT: Lose a Pike to a Conquistador.

890 AD: Capture Ereen(340 gold) and attack Rotterdam.

900 AD: Capture Cincinnati & get a Leader Cincinnati allows us to build an Army.

910 AD: Yet another Leader. It moves back toward our towns. Not sure if I will use it to build an army or not. I might disband a MDI Army for a Cav one - other choices are wait for more towns or build a university. Capture Rotterdam which has a Lux and will be great if we can connect it/keep it we have more lux than them too. Attack Tatu.

IBT: One of our Armies does terrible vs 2 conquistadors and loses (an MDI army) in Cincinatti. Solves the Leader problem above I guess. I would have preferred to get the 100 shields from a disband though.

920 AD: Mongol Cavalry Spotted.

930 AD: Moving against Dutch. Attacked Tatu but too injured to continue - need to heal. Too many troops to attack other Mongol town.

940 AD: Delft Captured.

950 AD: Still dealing with enemy units. Final Army has 4 units.

Notes:
Mongols are still the strongest despite us going for their cities.


We should be able to deal with the Dutch soon.

 

[Tad Empire_0_o]

ok guys ill playtomorrow or maybe some tonight... give me some tips on what builds we need... like more cannons or more cavalry

Ps this is my Got it post

 

[Greebley]

I would say Cavalry. The cannon aren't really being used that much we are able to kill things before they reach the lines. Muskets are also useful - they are needed for all cities within 6 of the front, so I would keep building them despite them being annoyingly expensive.

We got a new resource - be careful about it being cut off as that will cause riots. The front is not yet stable mostly it is held by armies. Markets are finally useful and we have none. They are only 1 happiness now - if we get another resource I would start considering them (I was running at a full deficit to get to rails). Libs would be useful and an 'extra' leader could rush a university in the capitol (i.e. if we can't make an army which is more useful of course).

Remember Mongol Cavalry - they can kill units when you are not expecting them. Walls in the front cities will at least give muskets even odds vs them.

As for strategy, I would grab the Dutch cities and go for the Mongols. The Dutch cities are keepers - they have low culture and we can expand our empire quickly for more science and armies. The Mongols we want to maximize damage to them so razing with Armies seems best. The final civ we want to get is Spain to end the Conquistador threat, but we don't see their cities yet so we just have to live with them for now.

Remember to be careful with workers near the front and keep towns guarded. It is so easy to lose something to those annoying Conquistadors. Pikes are not sufficient.

 

[Tad Empire_0_o]

so far this is how ive played... im only on turn 5-6 & I want to know you think I did right... & wrong plz analize the save TY



http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96353/Rat_25_1020_AD_TAD.SAV

 

[ThERat]

Tad, in order for us to analyze, you should post your log...don't expect everyone to open the save and check things

 

[Tad Empire_0_o]

im only at turn 5 so yeah its taking a while to play the turns are starting to get pretty long

 

[ThERat]

just play your turns carefully and it should be ok...don't worry. Post after 5 or 10 turns (whichever amount you think you can finish) and then we will have a look...

 

[ThERat]

Tad, if you can't play any more turns, just post you log.
I can play my set tomorrow night, so you still have some time

 

[Tad Empire_0_o]

IBT- Many enemy units aproach us.

Turn 1- Kill rConq. with a elite* MI, kill 5 dutch swiss mercenarys in Amsterdam & take it! but the cav army was pretty badly damaged. Bomb the crap out of 4 american knights near our salt mines. Army takes Harlem with minimal damage & also kill 3 mongol cavalry! Our army is in position to raze Tver'

IBT- Sword army kills a reg american knight on defence

Turn 2- Cav army razes Tver' & gets 5 slaves
Tadke lauersoog from the dutch.
Destroy Uliastauy (mongol) for 299 gold
Pillage Ta-tu & see spanish borders.
attack 2 diff cities but dont capture/raze them

IBT- Nothing much happens but we have no attacks on us yet

Turn 3- With the army we take Dver from the dutch & their only suply of horses... with a rider army they have 2 more cities as I checked with the cities option on the contacts. (we can do that right?)

IBT- some conqs move around not fun

Turn 4- move some units... We take th Egyptian city Eypcian or somthing like that but they had ivory which we kept for now mothing much some bombardment conqs moving around... its scary.

Turn 5- Opps I actually forgot to record this turn but I do remember we razed 2 mongol cities & 2 more egyptian cities

IBT- nothing much

Turn 6- Bomb some units, kill units & settle some towns
more bloodshed. also we raze the spanish city Barcelona also was carrying the SoZ Also burn The Spanish city of Cincinati & capture 4 Mongol workers

IBT-

Turn 7- Burn Lagorono (Spanish) by taking out 1 reg spear so easy... & capture 2 more spanish slaves... we have to disband many slaves as there are armys that cannot gaurd them all & expand so I disband some like with the Barcelonian slaves... we cant get the to our land it will take to long

IBT-Nothing much russia settles a city near the russian/american/Dutch/egyptian front.

Turn 8- Burn the Russian city for Irkutsk. found Yangchow in the dutch lands.
attack Baltimore & raze it... we get 283 gold, it was gaurded by a cRifle & 1 cav & a reg spear. America Has Rifles & Cavalry

IBT- the American knights are healing & moving

Turn 9- Burn some more cities settle 2 more cities we have to abandone one of the dutch cities (non important one it was seperated) & the city w/ the ivory as it is surrounded by units & only has 1 army each for defence. I would rather lose the city than the armys

IBT- Nothing much...

Turn 10- More bloodshed as The army the burned Baltimore was so close in sinking its already bloody teeth into the next American city, New Orleans it is covered by 1 more pikeman or maybe some more Also we raze 2 mongol cities



I just Realized this... I didnt get Any MGL's o well my luck seemed to run out

 

[Tad Empire_0_o]

Picts- ( I finally found paint but it was at turn 10 so no good pics I can only show the bloodshed that I have already caused






& now for the save http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96353/Rat_25_Tad_1050_AD.SAV

 

[Own]

Excellent progress!

I haven't seen the roster lately, but if I'm up it's a shame because I'm busy tues and wedns. I can swap.

 

[ThERat]

Tad, that looks excellent

Hopefully we can get the American saltpeter so that they can't get cavalry any longer. Cavalry is always a concern as they reach so far.

I haven't seen the roster lately, but if I'm up it's a shame because I'm busy tues and wedns

I think I am up as I swapped with tad, so I got it tonight.

Roster
Own - on deck
Greebley
TheOverseer
ThERat - up (swapped with tad)
Tad Empire_0_o - just played

 

[ThERat]

Pre-Turn
MM a little. I find it scary how we defend our front lines with hardly any units...the enemy has cavalry and can take the towns easily if hey come
out of the fog. We need to change that.

IT lose a musket to a knight after defeating one

1.1060AD
take out 3 units and raze Orleans gaining 430gold from America
defeat a few units at the front and pull army back into Rottingdam to prevent it from being razed by cavalry
reduce science to 0%

IT lose a cav and those conquistadors are scary, really
we get ToG, banking next in 5

2.1070AD
defeat 3 units and raze Mandalgovi
defeat 1 spear and raze a new American city for 280gold

defeat a few more units at the front, which needs to be secured to let us expand again

3.1080AD
4 units taken out and Toledo razed, hope that hurts Spain
take out 2 conquistadors and gain a MGL in the process
defeat 2 rifles and raze an American town for 300gold. both cav armies wounded now

I don't know how I am supposed to defend the eastern part with ex Netherlands when we have hardly any defenders.
We will have to abandon and regroup there

IT well, we lose Yangchow...and more will follow I guess

4.1090AD
shift units around and manage to keep other cities for now. Don't want to give up Rotterdam for the lux
The game looks messy to me currently
clear a few units in th east and raze Egyptian Tanis

IT meltdown almost continues as we are lucky not to lose 2 more cities. we need defenders and zonal defense as well
the east looks terrible, the west much better

5.1100AD
found Beijing in the north

pull another army back to stabilize the situation
raze Spanish Salamanca

1110AD
continue to reinforce the front and trying to make things stable

IT lose a musket on defense, get banking and we enter the IA
swap to steam that will ake a long long time to research

7.1120AD
take out Valencia and Spain has no horses at the moment
It seems I have reached the northwestern tip and will be able to clear it soon

IT defeat 2 cavs but lose a musket

8.1130AD
steam drops to 12 turns as 2 Civs have it now
raze Buffalo and find that there must be some Island northwest

9.1140AD
raze Murcia, move on to clear the area from the west onwards
defeat incoming units in the east, the area is much safer now

10.1150AD
found Silks in the west so we can get them soon
take out the Russian city next to it and we got out 4th lux

the east is now much more stable and we can expand in the west where 3 Cav armies take out cities
with steam in 9 we should then be able to advance fast

the situation in the northwest, almost all cities cleared there, we should try and settle forward slowly as th AI resettles very quickly as you can see from the mini map

 

[Greebley]

Own do you want to swap? I should be able to finish up by wed night for you on Thursday.

 

[Own]

Yes, thank you. I have lots of hw tonight and I have to leave for something in about 20 minutes.