RBC15c - Russia (DD:Demigod for Domination)

Another idea.

Do we want to revolt to republic right now (or in a few turn) or never.
With no locked alliance, many lux and short wars to come first, we could be more efficient (vs corruption).

Jabah
 
Forrestry - we don't need it in the North, and we canot afford the Workes to focus on it.

Republic - We will fight offensive Wars, we need MPs, we will have a huge army, and I usually draw 9 turns of anarchy anyway. And, we don't have a lot of Luxes by ourselves (unlike the Ottos, e.g.).

I like the agrument 'Smolensk needs no FP, since it'll be a good city with a Court'.

So, it looks like:

grahamiam - Smolensk
Jabah - Kiev
Doc - still undecided
microbe?
 
Doc Tsiolkovski said:
I like the agrument 'Smolensk needs no FP, since it'll be a good city with a Court'.
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doc, i'll make this easier. switch my vote off Smolensk and back to Kiev. if we need a supercity down there to hold off enemies, then Kiev's the city. now, do we rush it with the 1st MGL or do we build an army?
 
RBC15c – Russia

Turn 1: Mar., 1800AD
Set Kiev on FP (39 turns). Continue researching Code Civil – why? Because a good part of our research comes from Specialists, and 3 beakers are more then 2 coins. We need more techs then the other Civs, and it’s not like we could make much gold anyway.
IBT:
Spain offers MPP, decline. Prussia and Britain against France. Sweden and France against Prussia.
A Barb appears near Sevastopol!

Turn 2: May., 1800AD
Move our lone Cossack against the Gepids. Nothing new on the tech front.
IBT:
Ottomans want to exchange WM, agree (since it isn’t worth anything). Ottoman and Britain against Denmark. Denmark declares on Prussia.

Turn 3: Jul., 1800AD
Cossack kills Gepid Warrior, promotes to Vet, and disperses camp, Elite.
Notice the French city between Venice and Turin (Mailand?) is razed.
IBT: Ottoman and Sweden sign MPP – ouch.
Pskov(Worker) –Worker

Turn 4: Spt., 1800AD
Zzz…
IBT: Ottoman and France sign against Portugal.
Helsinki (Harbor) – Worker (needs an Aquaduct, btw).

Turn 5: Nov., 1800AD
Nothing to trade, no visible action anywhere.
IBT:
Swedens offers MPP and RoP, decline. Spain and Ottoman against Portugal. Sweden and Ottomans against Portugal.
Helsinki (Worker) – Worker,

Turn 6: Jan., 1801AD
Ack, Barb camp right next to our Silks, have to withdraw Workers for now.
IBT:
Austria and France against Britain.
Talinn (Harbor) – Worker, Novgorod (Cossack) – Cossack, Staraya Russia (Musket) – Musket
Britain/KoN/Netherlands declares against Spanish.
Our Spices are online.

Turn 7: Mar., 1801AD
Cannot set up Helsinki as a 2 turn Worker farm (pulls to many spt), so it’ll start an Aquaduct after the next Worker.
IBT:
Moscow (Cossack) – Cossack, St. Petersburg (Cossack) – Cossack, Helsinki (Worker) – Aquaduct, Talinn (Worker) – Worker, Pskov (Worker) – Worker

Turn 8: May., 1801AD
Finally, Britain/Prussia/Spain have Nationalism, but we cannot get anywhere near to buy it, of course.
IBT:
Spain and Sweden against Prussia.

Turn 9: Jul., 1801AD
Disperse Barb camp, another Elite Cossack.
IBT: A Barb appears near
Sevastopol (Worker) – Worker, Odessa (Worker) – Worker, Krivvy Rih (Worker) – Court

Turn 10: Sept., 1801AD
We can now buy Nationalism for most of our economy, but since we could sell it at least to Austria, it should be worth it, mainly for the Policeman. Best deal would probably be to sell our Spices for it to Ottomans, and from a colony on our second source. On the other hand, the Spices may be better used to trade it to them for Dyes in 10 turns.
Code Civil currently due in 47, I would keep researching it at more then minimum; we can still afford tech deals, and it’s at least one tech we don’t need to buy (and don’t need to wait for, we desperately need the increased worker speed).
FP in Kiev in 20, but should drop to something like 15 once we connect the Silks, and can send one more citizens in the fields, and/or once we can employ Policeman.
There’s a Cossack in Moscow, to take care of the Barb at Yaroslawl.
Talinn is a 2-turn Worker farm, but requires steady MM

The Save .
 
We can now buy Nationalism for most of our economy, but since we could sell it at least to Austria, it should be worth it.
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Agree. The following AI has money:

Austria: 391g.
Portugal: it has 11gpt, 37g and a worker available.
Naples: 6gpt+42g.
Netherlands: 126g.

We pay about 28gpt+632g. So in the end we just pay 73g+11gpt for a tech and a worker.
 
RBC15c

Turn0 - Sept. 1801AD
Did a little bit of MM (should do that every turn as cities with high food, high corruption have to be check every growth - lots of them can/will have more food/specialist for the same 1spt).
Buy Nationalism from Ottoman for 28gpt+632g
Sell it to
- Denmark for 20gpt+59g
- Austria for 391g
- Portugal for 11gpt+37g+worker
- Naples for 6gpt+42g
- Netherland for 126g

Reorganize most cities, policemen are usefull only in the mid-or low corrupted city, can gain a few turn for FP in Kiev, but want to grow once more before.

IT - nothing of note
FLTK day in Odessa
Talinn worker->worker, Pskov worker->worker


Turn1 - Nov. 1801AD
Reorgonised again, with an extra lux, most cities are either fully employed (will stop at size12) and optimise with very few scientist, Code civil is 78t now, stop the research for a while, making 89gpt.

IT - Sweden & France MA against Naples, then against Netherlands
Spain captures Lagos (Portugal)
FLTK day almost everywhere
Yaroslavl Courthouse->cathedral


Turn2 - Jan. 1802AD
nothing of note

IT
Austria & Ottoman MA against Denmark
Naples & Britain MA against Austria
Austria captures Venice (Naples)
Tallin worker->worker
Novgorod Cossack->cathedral


Turn3 - Mar. 1802AD
nothing of note

IT
some Swedish boat are going south
Pskov worker->worker


Turn4 - May. 1802AD
Disperse 2 barb camps promoting 2 cossacks
France has a monopoly on Advanced Tactics (Britain still has monopoly on Naval Tactics)

IT
Spain vs Britain/Naples/Portugal/Netherlands Peace
Portugal/Netherlands vs Austria
Britain/Naples/Netherlands vs Ottomans
Moscow/StPeter Cossacks->Jaeger
Smolensk Courthouse->Jaeger
Talinn Worker->Aqueduct

Turn5 - Jul. 1802AD
nothing of note

IT
Frankfurt (Prussia) razed (by France)
Sevastopol worker->courthouse (can manage 3spt with 4 policemen)
Pskov worker->worker


Turn6 - Sept. 1802AD
Some techs have arrived !!!
France - Esp+AdvTac+NavTac
Ottoman - Esp
Britain - Esp+NavTac
Spain - Esp+AdvTac+NavTac
Austria - Esp+NavTac

Buy AdvTac from Spain for 1427g+9gpt
Austria AdvTac for NavTac+3gpt
Ottoman NavTac for Esp
Sell AdvTac to England for 153g+47gpt (max they want to give)
Sell NavTac for some change
Denmark : 13gpt+24g
Prussia : 7gpt+75g+worker
other are too poor...

Prussia seems to be a good target.

IT
Odessa worker->courthouse
Kharkov cassacks->Guard
Helsinki aqueduct->Cannon


Turn7 - Nov. 1802AD
Start positioning troops for Prussia

IT
Minsk Courthouse->Cossack
Pskov worker->worker

Turn8 - Jan. 1803AD
Continue positioning troops for Prussia

IT
Prussia lost Leipzig to France
Lost a exploring frigate against a swedish privateer.
Polatsk Courthouse->Marketplace
Riga Bank->Cannon


Turn9 - Mar. 1803AD
Continue positioning troops for Prussia

IT
Smolensk Cannon->Cathedral
Tula Courthouse->Cathedral
Pskov worker->worker

Turn10 - May. 1803AD
Troops are in position to start invading Prussia


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Notes for the following leaders...

Our biggest cities have reached size12 and some (Moscow at least) need now to be optimized a little bit more for production.

Prussia is a better target than Sweden right now, they have no MPP/Ma with another big Civ.

FP is due in 5t in Kiev

We need more units, our defences are weak, but we have enough money for upgrading some musket in need.

Britain & Spain have SeaPower, but no big deals are possible.
All our intial deals will expire now.

Jabah
 
- Completely agree with Prussia as first target.
- Buying Techs is nice, but from my experience, Code Civil isn't researched by the AI for a long time, and we'd really need it.
- The more cities the AI razes, the better for us :)
- Cathedrals? I see the point in cities that need WLtKDs, but Novgorod? Better get a Bank or units IMHO.
- No more Jaegers. Guards are the way to go. We should focus on them for a while, Cossacks are so fast, they'll catch up later.
- Consider mobilizing during GA, that means an incredible unit production boost.

Over to grahamiam.
- Good trading!
 
Jaegers, of course no need to build that from efficient cities, but musket are upgraded to Jaeger only (I upgraded the only vet we had) and draft seems to be Jeager as well (draft only in case we have a trouble in the south).
We probably need cossacks for defending our large empire.
In fact we have less musket than cities, so we can have a few Jaegers to defend the "not on the main front but on the possible ones" (like cities in the south or on the baltic sea) instead of having Guards being lazy on the beaches instead of fighting :-). (Only if Jeager could be built much faster than Guards.

Cathedral, a few cities will need that, not for WLTK day but to avoid rioting, probably a few cathedral are not the most urgent things to build, those just started are free to be vetoed (for the last turn, I did not spent too much on the building decision). I try to get most of our cities to fast growth to size 12 while preparing them to be productive when they reach that size.

MM cities is important, with several growing often.
As I said, Moscow (size12) should be able to get at least 22spt (for guard).

Jabah

PS - For 'Code Civil', after our 6th luxuary and policemen, we had almost no scientifist left, and research was like 60t at 20%. It didn't look like a good idea at that point especially with almost 0 library/university while having lots of market/bank. If we want to do some research, maybe a few library are in order, but I am not convince that a few Guards/Cossacks/Cannons are less usefull now :-)
 
Preflight check: France has 5915 VC’s
Everything seems in order. Attack force comprises of 6 Cossacks which will do for now.
Novgorod looks good as it will spit out a Cossack every 4T after the bank is done.
Move the musket out of Tula to a point between Tula and Bryansk in case a barb pops out of the fog at a location too close for comfort.

We can buy Seapower from England for 50gpt and 1012g but hold off for now as we can’t get that back anytime soon.

@100%, we can get Code Civil in 18T @ -50gpt. Best we can do at a modest loss (-4gpt) is 21T. I really don’t see the advantage of doing any research right now as we have all the unit builds we need atm.

Upgrade Muskets in Kiev and Odessa to Jaegers just to feel a little more comfortable.

France and the Ottomans have their Furs hooked up so those deals will end.
Renew the dyes deal with the Ottomans for 41gpt.
Bump lux tax up to 10%, costing us another 30gpt as we’ll lose the gems deal with France next turn.

IBT: Naples will not renew the wine deal for iron. Apparently, they lost their surplus. We also lose gems :(
Moscow guard ->Cossack
Portugal and Ottomans sign peace
Ottomans and Britain sign peace
Naples and Ottomans sign peace
Netherlands and Ottomans sign peace
Moscow guard -> Cossack
St. Pete’s guard -> guard
Novgorod bank -> cossack

T1: July 1803AD Looks like Prussia has an extra wine but I think we’ll take it soon enough. Gather troops near Vilnius. Waiting for another Cossack and moving slow units up so they can reinforce Konigsburg when we take it.
Check all cities via F1. Staraya Russa loses a worker and gains a cop. Many others will lose their wltkd’s if I don’t do something so I buy wines from the Ottomans for our WM and 656g (Looks like France may beat us to the Prussian wines anyways). Still not good enough for Kiev so I bump the lux slider up to 20%.

IBT: Vilnius court ->aqueduct (leave MP there as the BG does not speed up the build)
Helsinki troop transport -> Cossack
Pskov worker -> worker

T2: Sept 1803AD Bahh, Konigsburg’s pop had dropped 2, meaning they are drafting units. Ok, time to start the fight, maybe an elite with generate an MGL.
Take Prussia’s last coin, then declare war.
Attack on Konigsburg: vet Cossack kills reg Fusili flawlessly, sending us into our GA; vet Cossack retreats from reg Fusili revealing a conscript :) ; elite Cossack kills conscript (3/5); elite kills another Conscript; Elite Cossack kills 2/3 Fusili (3/5); elite Cossack kills conscript(3/5); Elite Cossack kills conscript and we take the city. Move a Jaeger and a couple of cannons to the city to reinforce it.

IBT: Naples and Austria sign peace; Austria and Britain sign peace; Portugal and Austria sign peace; Ductch and Austria sign peace
Crap, Ottomans move up a bunch of troops in on a sneak attack vector.
Watch a Prussian cav kill an Swedish cav but is redlined.

T3: Nov 1803AD Scratch that, those cav are Spanish and they’re headed for our FP, wonderful. Crap, we have an RoP with them? This could be really bad. She’s sending 5 cav right now and all I have is a vet Cossack and reg Jaeger defending Kiev. She could be barb hunting or sneak attacking. Decide on the latter. Cancel RoP with Spain. I want to ask her to leave or declare but I don’t have that option. Well, only 1 cav can reach Kiev next turn so we won’t lose the city.

Outside Konigsburg: 3/5 elite Cossack kills the redlined Prussian horse (nasty 5/4/2 stats)

IBT: Interesting, 1 Spanish cav turns back into Ottoman territory, the other 4 move sort of lazily towards Kiev. Not looking like an attack at all. Wonder what they’re up to?
Nepolian beckons, wants an alliance vs the British but I decline.
Taline aqueduct -> guard; Riga cannon -> Cossack; Novgorod Cossack -> Cossack; Straya Russa cathedral ->Cossack; Pskov worker -> aqueduct

T4: Jan 1804AD Near Sevastopol: reg Musket kills barb but does not promote.

IBT: Sweden and Prussia sign peace;
St. Pete’s Cossack -> Cossack; Kiev FP -> Cossack
France declares war on the Austrians.

T5: March 1804AD Cannons go 1 for 3 @ Danzig: Vet Cossack kills Fusilier; redlines but dies to ¾ Fusilier (1/4); elite Cossack kills Conscript; elite Cossack retreats from Conscript; elite Cossack retreats from Conscript; vet Cossack kills conscript. There’s at least 2 Fusilier in the city and I only have 1 Cossack left. Retreat all but the redlined vet Cossack (out of MP’s). Move an elite and a vet (fortified) Cossack to cover the stack. They would be attacking across a river this turn and I’d rather not do that.

Notes: St. Pete’s is doing 34spt with -1fpt. Next turn it needs to be MM’d to 33spt and 0fpt so it can make a Cossack every 3T.

The Musket between Tula and Bryansk is deliberately where he is so he can get to either town in 1T. I don’t trust Spain right now with the 4 Cav near Kiev. We may want to start drafting citizens around high risk areas in the south.

Guard Near Minsk is supposed to go there or head S if desired. If it goes to Minsk, then musket in Minsk could go to the town to it's east that is empty.

Russia-Mar-1804.JPG
 
@ microbe -> i forgot to mobilize when I triggered the GA. please do so as cossacks will begin flowing like water out of our north :D
 
Spanish cavalries : check if there are any barbs either in the north or in the east, if there are some spain might be after them.
Either find a ennemy for Spain (like MA against Prussia) or kick them out. But be carefull, they were the tech and money leader during my turns, they might buy someone else against us ...

before mobilisation, check all cities that need improvement and switch to that, they won't be able to do anything else than military latter.

Jabah

PS with all the money we have, we should consider upgrading most of our border-muskets.
 
Jabah said:
Spanish cavalries : check if there are any barbs either in the north or in the east, if there are some spain might be after them.
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there are 2 barb camps on the eastern steppes that they may be going for but it's not certain. we also have 1 city between them and the bards that does not have a defender. probably should draft one.

Either find a ennemy for Spain (like MA against Prussia) or kick them out. But be carefull, they were the tech and money leader during my turns, they might buy someone else against us ...
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for some reason, the diplomacy screen did not give me an option to ask them to leave. very strange.

before mobilisation, check all cities that need improvement and switch to that, they won't be able to do anything else than military latter.

Jabah

PS with all the money we have, we should consider upgrading most of our border-muskets.
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agree strongly with both points, but i also feel we should rush-build cossacks if possible. we do not have enough attackers atm. i believe i do have the towns setup with logical builds but we'll see...
 
grahamiam said:
for some reason, the diplomacy screen did not give me an option to ask them to leave. very strange.
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I think I saw a note about cancelling a RoP. On the turn you cancel a RoP you don't have the right to demand a civ out.
 
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