Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Sonereal]

Wait, LH doesn't know what to do? Now we're in real trouble.

IMHO, France is the most important part of our presence on the mainland. It contains Ravus_York (the source of 95% of the world's biscuits), which is a major city.

No. Ravus-York is our largest presence, not our most important. Our most important holdings should be Iberia with its VAST MINERAL WEALTH but it's been neglected to the point of being criminal.

Welcome aboard, Nukeknockout.

I vote for Imperial and reserve my second vote for the time being.

 

[Nukeknockout]

size can be important,and if experience of this map is any judge,I think we should try very hard to hold on to Ravus_York,at least around 1950 or so. personally,the most important city is the one with the Iron. although that the vast wealth of Iberia has been neglected bothers me too.

Glad to be aboard.

 

[MathNerd]

Well, RY is the only realistic way we can get access into the mainland without a galley.

 

[W|M]

If only Iberia was developed...

 

[MathNerd]

Yeah, but a certain administration failed to improve it...

 

[Whosit]

Voting: My first vote is for the Imperial Party, of course. Second vote is being held until I can sort through more of what's going on.

NukeKnockout: I officially welcome you.

Lighthearter: Screenshots would be appreciated. Although I have another, more extreme and radical request: Would you be willing to release the save file to any of the players so that we can look at what is going on and take screen shots in your stead? Perhaps the President or a designated Minister would have sole access to the save? I hope you can trust us not to cheat or anything. It is going to become much, much harder to make educated decisions if we cannot get a good look at what is going on in game, and since you have many priorities, it might be helpful to have a deputy who can post requested screen shots.

Coalitions: I suppose now we can discuss them? Ilduce, we should probably throw a few more PMs back and forth. I have to admit that I've gotten a bit confused about what is going on, but I believe that the Imperial Party and the People's Consortium have agreed to start a new coalition known as Aegis. Our goal is to strengthen England's economy and military, and bring glory to our empire by defeating and subjugating the Romans. As soon as possible, we (or at least, I) plan to spread Christianity to all of our cities and adopt Theocracy, so I hope that Strength and Faith (is that your party's final name?) may be willing to join us, and perhaps the Monks may cast a vote our way if they do not wish to join us directly.

More later.

 

[Stingray43]

I am the lurker that mathnerd was talking about

I'd like to join the T.C.P. and vote for the Green Party and Monks

 

[MathNerd]

The lurker has risen!!!!!

 

[arya126]

Yeah, but a certain administration failed to improve it...

You mean YOUR adminstration? your the ones who founded it. we had to transport workers there when i got into office, then we had to improve certain tiles, and so on, all abstractly with little amounts of info from the screen. And most of the second turnset has been consumed by war. I havent had much chance to focus on IBERIA. So CHILL.

This is worrisome. Now i wish that i had ordered a larger army against Whosit's wishes. I am not laying blame, only showing that people should not always trust everything he says no matter how logical he makes it seem. Not an insult, just a comment.

Ravus-York is definitly going to be defended. If we retreat into Iberia, we will lose. Its as simple as that.

I ask that whosits request for a save be denied. I dont think that is how realpolitik was meant to be played. Although, i would ask that we get some screens of what happened and what it looks like now, i understand why LH wouldnt want to send those.

ITS FAITH AND STRENGTH.

I vote for Faith and Strength, and hold the second in reserve.

TCP-I know what you mean LH. Its how i felt when i started seeing that. Well its an AAR back on the paradox forums and it was probably one of the most epic ever. I believe it was LH's inspiration to write his own AAR's (which have gotten batter and better while they have lived). I will provide a link to it for anyone who wants an interesting story. It has some very hollywood like writing pieces too. Think WWII, and germany and britain ally together. Yup.

What can the Night Eagles do right now? i want an idea of what they think they will be best at in the upcoming battle. Also, how soon will help come from Pter and Ragnar? Why did they declare war? Did you engineer that LH?

 

[Sonereal]

You mean YOUR adminstration? your the ones who founded it. we had to transport workers there when i got into office, then we had to improve certain tiles, and so on, all abstractly with little amounts of info from the screen. And most of the second turnset has been consumed by war. I havent had much chance to focus on IBERIA. So CHILL.

And even then, its so underveloped that I wounder how long it takes to get two ship fulls of workers, send them to Iberia, and prioritize the building of a diamond mine or pasture for horses. Where do you take responsibility for the war and England's economic woes? You're extremely confrontational so can you at least inform us what your accomplishments were? After all, we're about to lose a city or two. The counter-invasion force has been crushed and the fight for Ravus-York will either be a Battle of Berlin or Battle of Stalingrad. Either way, it's going to be hurting.

You, as a former member of the Modernization Party, has let England fall behind and the economy is suffering from mismanagement and yes, we can blame former administrations as well. Let's hope that the next administration can reverse the downward spiral. As soon as Rome allows, we must ask for peace. We must give them any tech or gold it takes to end the war. There will be no counter-offensive.

This is worrisome. Now i wish that i had ordered a larger army against Whosit's wishes. I am not laying blame, only showing that people should not always trust everything he says no matter how logical he makes it seem. Not an insult, just a comment.

There was no army before the war.

There was no chance of building a counter-invasion force before Rome invaded once they declared war. Not one of significant size at elast.

Ravus-York is definitly going to be defended. If we retreat into Iberia, we will lose. Its as simple as that.

And what will you do when the hits the fan? After all, Ravus-York has a horrible defensive modifier and the surrounding terrain is difficult to use on the defense. Rome can outproduce us on the mainland and can easily recover their losses and oh, they have a stack-smashing device called a catapult. Something that would've been very useful for us.

Iberia is more important than Ravus-York. If our army is smashed in France, we will lose Iberia. If we lose Iberia, we will not recover.

What can the Night Eagles do right now? i want an idea of what they think they will be best at in the upcoming battle. Also, how soon will help come from Pter and Ragnar? Why did they declare war? Did you engineer that LH?

If it wasn't for the Deus Ex Machina, England would be kicked out of France (even faster)

 

[Ravus_Sol]

First Response:
huh.

So lighthearter... i'm feeling that urge to give you a sympathetic pat on the back again. people are going to be that much more demanding now that we are at war and information becomes so much more neccesary.

Anywho screenshot or two would be useful. Also how long till the Great Prophet? If we are having troubles financially that could help us out...

Dammit so they have pratorians... they may either have found some in germany or greece or have traded some. we can never know. Thankfully if they were trading it from the buuddist block that has stopped. I've allways been suspicious of the quiet Ragnar. So technologically powered for no reason. I figure it's him that caused Russia to gang up on Rome. Russia is losing it's power these days. But every little will help the war effort.

From your posting, did we actually try and launch an offensive? I thought we were going to wait for that and just play defence for now and a pillaging run with the suicide axeman...

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On Elections
Huh, why do i keep getting votes when i'm not part of a coalition? I'm never a part of a coalition untill right at the end when my unaligned party may have some use... Arya found that out last time when he voted for me and realised he couldn't take the votes back.

Poor poor modernizational party. We knew yea well.

So the two coalitions are Aegis (Bankers and Imperials) Green Philosophers (Techies and Greenies)

Unaligned we have the monks, the Liberal Marxists and the Zealots all semi powerful in their own right. (did i miss anyone? the nationalist havn't appeared in ages although their party is still up.)

Who is actually the proposed leader of these coalitions? Mathnerd or WIM? Whosit or Ilduce? We would want to know who to ask questions of in the debates to come.

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Also as we have no screenshots, i have a list of questions for potential leaders that should highlight how they wish to make war... (Questions to come later)

 

[ilduce349]

Wait has the election started?

 

[Ravus_Sol]

From the Book of Monks Meditating Musings

Questions to ask Nominee’s

If you could only support one war plan what would you support?
This is based on the three basic war plans of a mass army, seige warfare, or pilliging runs

When is the earlist you would accept peace from Rome?
Are you a leader that feels we must bloody the nose of Rome and make him pay war reperations or are you willing to hand over a technology or two to get peace asap?

Who would you want to nurse most as an ally in foriegn affairs?
Now that Ragnar and Peter are also involed there is a measure of choice in this matter, perhaps the irish or egyptians even?

If Rome marched a nearly unbeatable army into french lands what would you do?
Abandon france or attempt to hold it?

What would be Englands next world wonder if you had the choice?
wether we get peace or are in war this is your own personal opinion on what you would like our nation to have.

What do you think is the nations best decision so far?

What do you think is the nations worst decision so far?

Do you support a leader having advisors or ministers?
Recently it has become apparant that some leaders differ on how they handle subordinates. Would you have them as advisors with no real power except that of verbally influencing you, the leader. Or would you allow them a measure of control over aspects of our nation as ministers of parts of it.

example;
interior minister; controls building plans of cities
exterior minister; controls foriegn trade screen, tech trades, open border plans etc
war minister; controls military unit movement
peace minister; controls workers, settlers and explorer unit movements
Sciene and Finance minister; controls tech planning and finance sliders

Would you allow this or perfer to keep direct control?

 

[Nukeknockout]

And even then, its so underveloped that I wounder how long it takes to get two ship fulls of workers, send them to Iberia, and prioritize the building of a diamond mine or pasture for horses. Where do you take responsibility for the war and England's economic woes? You're extremely confrontational so can you at least inform us what your accomplishments were? After all, we're about to lose a city or two. The counter-invasion force has been crushed and the fight for Ravus-York will either be a Battle of Berlin or Battle of Stalingrad. Either way, it's going to be hurting.

You, as a former member of the Modernization Party, has let England fall behind and the economy is suffering from mismanagement and yes, we can blame former administrations as well. Let's hope that the next administration can reverse the downward spiral. As soon as Rome allows, we must ask for peace. We must give them any tech or gold it takes to end the war. There will be no counter-offensive.

I can't argue with any of this.I've seen the map,I've heard LH curse.there won't be an attack on Rome.not now.in 500 years,we may crush them,as will be our right of vengeance.

There was no army before the war.

There was no chance of building a counter-invasion force before Rome invaded once they declared war. Not one of significant size at elast.

agree

And what will you do when the hits the fan? After all, Ravus-York has a horrible defensive modifier and the surrounding terrain is difficult to use on the defense. Rome can outproduce us on the mainland and can easily recover their losses and oh, they have a stack-smashing device called a catapult. Something that would've been very useful for us.

Iberia is more important than Ravus-York. If our army is smashed in France, we will lose Iberia. If we lose Iberia, we will not recover.

agree

If it wasn't for the Deus Ex Machina, England would be kicked out of France (even faster)

I don't know hoe LH's Deus Ex Machina will work,but there's nothing believable he can do(I think)

 

[ilduce349]

Its about time I announce coalitions.
Aysee, Nukenockout and Whosit have all agreed to be members of Aegis. I vote for PCE and the FS (Faith and Strength)

1. Defense, it is clear that offense wont work. Mass archers and axes until JC wants peace

2. ASAP, however it has to be a white peace. Afterwards we need to build up on offensive army and attack before he expects it

3. Ragnar, I don't trust peter due to the incident last election

4. I would attempt to hold it. We cannot surrender

5. Depends on the options. Probably Apostolic Palace, followed by Notre dam and forbidden palace.

6. Have we made any???

7. Lack of workers

8. I believe in giving the ministers more power then the president. In rl no leader would be fit with out being surrounded by all his advisors and ministers. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[Nukeknockout]

"absolute power corrupts absolutely" is part of the principle of Realpolitick,and it's a line that LH will force each of the presidents to walk.why do you think we have so many opposition actions and MA and EP?

 

[ilduce349]

true, now Nukeknockout, you accepted my offer about joining Aegis in pm, I now offer it to you in public, will you accept?

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Isn't Nukeknockout now an imperialist? so he has to be in the coalition seeing as you and whosit (the leader) have allready publically agreed.

So is it you, Ilduce or Whosit which is running for the main leader position?

 

[MathNerd]

From the Book of Monks Meditating Musings

Questions to ask Nominee’s

If you could only support one war plan what would you support?
This is based on the three basic war plans of a mass army, seige warfare, or pilliging runs

When is the earlist you would accept peace from Rome?
Are you a leader that feels we must bloody the nose of Rome and make him pay war reperations or are you willing to hand over a technology or two to get peace asap?

Who would you want to nurse most as an ally in foriegn affairs?
Now that Ragnar and Peter are also involed there is a measure of choice in this matter, perhaps the irish or egyptians even?

If Rome marched a nearly unbeatable army into french lands what would you do?
Abandon france or attempt to hold it?

What would be Englands next world wonder if you had the choice?
wether we get peace or are in war this is your own personal opinion on what you would like our nation to have.

What do you think is the nations best decision so far?

What do you think is the nations worst decision so far?

Do you support a leader having advisors or ministers?
Recently it has become apparant that some leaders differ on how they handle subordinates. Would you have them as advisors with no real power except that of verbally influencing you, the leader. Or would you allow them a measure of control over aspects of our nation as ministers of parts of it.

example;
interior minister; controls building plans of cities
exterior minister; controls foriegn trade screen, tech trades, open border plans etc
war minister; controls military unit movement
peace minister; controls workers, settlers and explorer unit movements
Sciene and Finance minister; controls tech planning and finance sliders

Would you allow this or perfer to keep direct control?

1. Defensive army with pillaging runs.

2. I want peace ASAP, but I am not willing to give up much for it. I feel that we will get peace before we really need to worry too much.

3. Alliances are better made as they go. Often, the diplo situation can change drastically, especially with LH as the head of this AAR.

4. Attempt to hold it.

5. I'm not really good with info like this. I'll look some up and be back. No, really!

6. Bulbing Theo.

7. Adopting slavery.

8. Obviously, I want the ministers to have formal power by a method similar to what I proposed.

 

[Nukeknockout]

true, now Nukeknockout, you accepted my offer about joining Aegis in pm, I now offer it to you in public, will you accept?

actually,Modernizational Party is gone,and I have no authority to accept,as I am not a Party Leader.I'm pretty sure Whosit already accepted,though

so,I told the truth,in a way. I am part of your coalition,but as a member of the Imperial Party,not as leader of the Modernizational Party