Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

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OK, we're starting to powergame. I declare that every person in the city (population, not population point) gets turned into a Modern Armor. :p (JK)

In truth, I don't want to start a Civil War.
 
Oh, good. Now I can say this:

Every unit we have turns into a Modern Armor
Every city Rome has gets surrounded by 1000 Modern Armor each.
Every city in the world get surrounded by 1000 Modern Armor each.
Arya blows up. :p


:lol:
 
Actually, both of yours first action(calling party members to kill/defend the Copperheads) was not power-gaming, and IMO what a party leader in a monarchy setting can and should be able to do.

If you don't want to start a civil war, I assume your party members no longer defend the Copperheads.

All Ninja-Pirate Party members are tasked with the task of killing all Coppperheads, and known supporters of the Copperheads. Time of mission is one week. Any and all weapons can be used. Any and all techniques can be used. Any manner of killing is allowed. Any one who attempts to assist the Copperheads in avoiding death are to be killed. Your time starts now, ninja-pirates.

Stonehenge protect us in this dark times.
 
Dear god, what the hell?

Are these men not British citizens? I do not agree with these people, but we cant just slaughter them!
 
EDIT:

Look! Somebody defends me. Lets threaten to kill them. Many will quit their practices. Those that don't get killed.

Again, good thing I don't have an OSR to defend. :p
 
Done reading yet? Obviously not.

Anyway, what's Whosit's opinion on the Copperheads?
 
Ughh ... I'm gone for a few hours and we've got people talking about killing our citizens? They're peacefully protesting, not rioting. However, I do want them dispersed. Rome started this war; we are going to finish it. Military police should breakup these demonstrations wherever they are obstructing the administration. No protesters should be killed, but any who retaliate with violence will be apprehended.

This is the President's official position to the Copperhead issue.

As for the Balkans... alright, here is my new compromise solution, of sorts. We will support the rebels publicly, but privately inform them that if they plan to move early, we cannot guarantee that we will have military support available to assist them. I do not want to send in the Night Eagles at this time, considering that we may still have need of their services on the home front, and considering that we have not had time to replace their casualties (actually, I'm not sure about that last bit, LH). And we do not want to invite a third party in to help "defend" them, otherwise we will probably arrive to find that the region in question is under third party control.

Seizing Antium will be the next objective. After that, the bulk of our forces should move through central Europe (Neapolis, Cumae) before heading south-east towards Balkans--is that Mediolanum or whatever I can see east of Setia?), and a smaller detachment can take Setia itself if it is lightly defended. I'm not sure how large our army has grown by now, so make sure that you have adequate forces before moving on to any given objective (5-6 catapults minimum to take a city, plus a mix of Axemen/Swordsmen, with the odd spearman to counter mounted units, and Archers to hold the cities).

Depending on how things go with our Baltic friends, we may be able to advance to that region from two directions. I'm not terribly concerned with seizing Rome itself immediately, since we can completely cut it off from the rest of its empire. Still, keep an eye open to see who has researched Feudalism. If it starts to become known, we'll want to take Rome ASAP. (Alternatively, if our spies show that Rome is not heavily defended, a smaller force with 4-5 Catapults can start laying siege to the city and soften it up until reinforcements arrive to help capture it.)

(Arya, I did read your last plan, and this is somewhat based on that, but if we're going to throw our support in for the Baltic people, we'll have to make it priority to head east.)

Just make sure to keep our supply of Catapults high, build at least a couple of Triremes out of Kent or Birmingham to take care of the Roman one wandering about (maybe one out of London if you have to), and convert to Christianity so that we can get the benefits of Theocracy! I think that if you can play the set soon, that should be fine. It would be nice to keep things moving, though I do want to wait a couple hours to see if anyone has major objections.
 
@MN: 4 spam posts in one page thus far. Going for a record I see. :p

IC: If the Copperheads go to actively working against the government, counter-espionage people IMO, or fight against the troops in London, may we kill them?
 
@MN: 4 spam posts in one page thus far. Going for a record I see. :p

IC: If the Copperheads go to actively working against the government, counter-espionage people IMO, or fight against the troops in London, may we kill them?

(@MN: And my posts are regularly four times as long as anyone else's.)

I want to avoid killing the protesters at all costs. I do not want to create a legacy of oppressing our own people (slavery aside :p). Code of Laws is almost complete. Wonder if I should write something up for that. Well, anyway, this isn't a tyranny, and Martial Law is not in effect any longer, so I do not want to take extreme measures.

Every reasonable attempt should be made to disperse Copperhead gatherings or to apprehend and detain those who resist. Only if all other means have been exhausted, and only if our officers' lives are in danger should lethal force be used. The first kill should not be ours. This is an executive command.
 
Whew...finished reading backlog...

Anyways, new member!! Welcome to the glorious Liberal Marxist Party!!!

So, on the Balkans: If they revolt now, will there be a garrison there? If so, I say we let them go now. If not, tell them to wait.

@Foreign Policy: We befriend Russia so we don't get a war when we don't want it and instead get it when we DO want it, you dig? Sure we're going to backstab them later, but here we're making sure they don't backstab us first. In deciding foreign policy, you deal with your own backyard first, and you NEVER, NEVER let ideology sway your decisions.

Carthage is sitting on our southern border and we so don't want war with them. If we befriend them, they'll make a truly useful ally. If they go to war on us, goodbye Iberia! (Yes I know that the AI is bad at amphibious assaults, but oh well) So why can't we befriend them now? Just because they're rivals doesn't mean we can't try to have cordial relations right now. And it's not the coward's path. That's like saying that Richard Nixon's decision to open up relations with China was the coward's path. It is simply the smart decision to make right now.

And yeah. Add Egypt to the list of countries to befriend: (Updated list)
1. Viking
2. Egypt
3. Carthage
4. Russia
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By the way, Lighthearter, could you please supply the power graph, relations screen and glance screen? Thanks.
 
Whew...finished reading backlog...

Anyways, new member!! Welcome to the glorious Liberal Marxist Party!!!

So, on the Balkans: If they revolt now, will there be a garrison there? If so, I say we let them go now. If not, tell them to wait.

Whether or not the revolt succeeds, whether or not there will be a garrison, whether or not it will be an adequate garrison is all up to the dice, LH has told me. That is why I want to take a more cautious path. However, since many really want to throw our support to them, my last course of action is designed to assist the rebels if things go well, but to try and give us a chance to wash our hands of the matter if they screw up.
 
Wait, that's a record? :p

More on topic, good choice, Whosit. :goodjob: I knew you'd support Mech's and my plan! :lol:
 
NO! I am sorry, but i cant support that plan whosit. Italy has to be taken now. There is a much more logical way to change the plan to assist the rebels rather than taking it apart. As per our agreement, you CANNOT make your own plans, and can only do something that i havent given you in terms of military if LH overrides me, and i see no reason for that to happen. I sent you my plan, and you never responded, never vetoed, let alone ran these plans by me. I am the head of the military. I decide what the military does, and only with L:H's permission can you ovverride me. I see no reason why you should have come right out and declared a plan, when it isnt the plan i sent you, and you have never responded to that plan.

I will have to ask LH to wait to play the turnset due to this last turn of events.

AT AYSEE- No. No befriending russia. I gave my reasons before, and i stand by them. Dont befriend them. I wont stand for our country acting like a backstabbing coward. I also oppose carthage, as we are in no danger of warring with them right now, and we could easily shift our forces to Iberia should they decalre after this war with rome is finished.

I oppose your decision reguarding the copperheads, but i will listen to it IF you abide by the plan LH set up for us involving me as head of the military, which you are not. So my zealot order stands until you decide to listen to my plan, and discuss it with me as we did the first time. If you dont like it, or want a change, tell me, dont just do it. You have the power to veto, not radically change the plan.

I thinkt the night eagles would suffice in the balkans for now. If you wish to work on the plan together, then i will make adjustments to the war plan and send it to you again reguarding sending military units to the balkans.
 
NO! I am sorry, but i cant support that plan whosit. Italy has to be taken now. There is a much more logical way to change the plan to assist the rebels rather than taking it apart. As per our agreement, you CANNOT make your own plans, and can only do something that i havent given you in terms of military if LH overrides me, and i see no reason for that to happen. I sent you my plan, and you never responded, never vetoed, let alone ran these plans by me. I am the head of the military. I decide what the military does, and only with L:H's permission can you ovverride me. I see no reason why you should have come right out and declared a plan, when it isnt the plan i sent you, and you have never responded to that plan.

Alright, I'll PM you.

AT AYSEE- No. No befriending russia. I gave my reasons before, and i stand by them. Dont befriend them. I wont stand for our country acting like a backstabbing coward. I also oppose carthage, as we are in no danger of warring with them right now, and we could easily shift our forces to Iberia should they decalre after this war with rome is finished.

Just as you are making a point that you are the Military Commander, keep in mind that Aysee is the Foreign Adviser. Your objections will be considered, but he and I make the final decisions in this area.

I oppose your decision reguarding the copperheads, but i will listen to it IF you abide by the plan LH set up for us involving me as head of the military, which you are not. So my zealot order stands until you decide to listen to my plan, and discuss it with me as we did the first time. If you dont like it, or want a change, tell me, dont just do it. You have the power to veto, not radically change the plan.

I apologize for going over your head regarding the military plan. As I said above, I'll address that. But domestic policing issues are not in the jurisdiction of the military, so you don't have the authority to override my command on that issue.

I'll try to handle the military plan tonight, but I have plans soon, so I may not be able to get back to you until tomorrow morning.
 
Look. For whatever reason do you refuse to ally with Carthage? Like I said, they'll make either a useful ally or a fearsome rival. And allying with Russia as I have previously said before, is not cowardly. If we go by your plan, what will happen is that tensions will build up between Russia and us, and if tensions grow tense enough, Russia just might declare war on us when we aren't ready. Like I have said before, in this case, there is no such thing as the coward's option. There is only the smart choice and the not so smart choice.
 
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