Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

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Ireland is getting fractious. The Khan is demanding to know when he will return to his palace in New Horizons, and the KRF is making noise about fighting for their rights. Their leader is nowhere to be found.

Added to that there is increasing instability in Germany, and recently an organization called "the Syndicate" has appeared on our radar in England itself. The Night Eagles have once again vanished.


One of our prominent merchants' daughter has been asked for her hand in marriage - by a Viking naval captain. Considering this "merchant's daughter" bears a relation to Lord Fargle, this has the potential to be very, very dangerous. Do we risk the Vikings learning our secrets but avoid major political and internal upheaval, or vice versa? And can we afford either in the middle of this War and with Ireland chafing at the bit?

-L
 
Ireland is getting fractious. The Khan is demanding to know when he will return to his palace in New Horizons, and the KRF is making noise about fighting for their rights. Their leader is nowhere to be found.

Added to that there is increasing instability in Germany, and recently an organization called "the Syndicate" has appeared on our radar in England itself. The Night Eagles have once again vanished.


One of our prominent merchants' daughter has been asked for her hand in marriage - by a Viking naval captain. Considering this "merchant's daughter" bears a relation to Lord Fargle, this has the potential to be very, very dangerous. Do we risk the Vikings learning our secrets but avoid major political and internal upheaval, or vice versa? And can we afford either in the middle of this War and with Ireland chafing at the bit?

-L

FREE IRELAND! I don’t know why you’ve delayed this for so long!

And the second thing should be up to Fargle, shouldn’t it?

:snowcool:
 
I agree, free island and wait for fargle to worry about the marrige. It's his relative, he should get the final decision.

DT
Agreeing :stupid:
 
Got a couple questions:

1) Which Germany is facing the instability: Cumae and Neapolis, or our vassal?

2) is the Syndicate related to this instability?

Considering the Ireland question, I have an idea. However, I want to get more opinions on this issue before I present it.

Whether this should be Fargle's decision or not, I would still like some discussion on the proposed marriage. It would be beneficial to go through the pros and cons of this situation. Plus, we need to be able to act on this if Fargle doesn't make a decision for some reason.

I think that the government should launch an investigation to find out more about this "Syndicate". We need to know what we are dealing with, and if they are a threat to us.
 
A political marriage with the Vikings might be a bonus for us if we can bring them closer to us and away from Poland. Then we can consolidate our european empire by absorbing Poland without dealing with a Viking intervention.

How comes Ireland wasn't dealt with in the last set? I thought he was supposed to be in his palace by now - with some devolved power?

We do need more information on the Syndicate and German unruliness before acting!

@ celtic - i would be happy to listen and comment on your plan for Ireland should you wish to share it with me.
 
Oh LH dont put this on me. I could have sworn I have asked for a conference to be set up between me, Ravus, Aysee, the Khan, and the leader of the KRF in chat. There will be where we resolve this. This conference needs to be in a setting where we can type rapidly.

I would also like a meeting with the leader of Germany if it is our vassal that has instability. If it is germany that is IN england, then I would like to meet with the governors or mayors of those cities.

Decline the marriage. Period. We cant afford the vikings to get an open ear to the secret proceedings in parliament.

Set the HDO on the trail of the syndicate and It's leaders.

Discuss.
 
I think the conference with the Khan should have at least 1 opposition OR neutral/independant leader there. We've already had information problems this term, so we should be careful about that sort of thing. At the very least put TT in there, as we (at least I) trust him not to hide information without Very Good reason.

A similar thing with the other conference, at least 1 other Politician should be present. I have no problems with the marrige being declined, but before we attack the syndics can we at least learn what they stand for.

DT
Moderation :)
 
I would be happy to sit in the conferences if it will please the opposition and bring credibility to the conferences in the eyes of all.
 
I agree with Dem Taqat's proposal. Ideally, a member of the Opposition would sit in on the conferences, but if not, I trust Twinkletoes to listen on our behalf.

I would also like more information on this "instability" and this so-called "Syndicate" before taking any rash actions. Even if they must be eliminated, diving in head-first without adequate information can cause more damage than the problem itself.
 
@Whosit: Thats what the HDO are for. LH said we dont have much info on them, so the HDO will gather information as they go about taking them down. Simple enough.
 
@Whosit: Thats what the HDO are for. LH said we dont have much info on them, so the HDO will gather information as they go about taking them down. Simple enough.

In my mind, there is a vast difference between gathering information before taking action and taking action while gathering information on the side. All we know is that there is purported "instability" in Germany and that there is a group called "the Syndicate" in England. While LH's report implies that there is a connection, from a literal reading, this may not be the case. What I'm trying to say is that we may not want to start "taking down" the Syndicate yet. We don't know what they are doing and we don't know what the consequences of aggressive action will be at this time.
 
Whosit is right; we need to gather intel on this Syndacite before we attack it. We do not know its purpose. Too much damage to its organization could keep us from learning it.
 
Mech and Whosit are right, for all we know the syndicate is an undercover knitting club. :p We need to learn more about it before we go Homicidal on it. I'm also interested in learning more about the Unrest In Germany. Which Germany is it, and what are they upset about?

DT
Seeking Information :)
 
Oh LH dont put this on me. I could have sworn I have asked for a conference to be set up between me, Ravus, Aysee, the Khan, and the leader of the KRF in chat. There will be where we resolve this. This conference needs to be in a setting where we can type rapidly.

What is your opinion on Ireland? Me and my allies want Ireland to be released immediately

:snowcool:
 
Me and my allies want Ireland to be released immediately. :said-very-fast: Terms and Conditions apply.:said-very-fast:

Fixed It for You :D

DT
Being Helpful :p
 
And here I am, back to talk to you once more! Some of you have sent comments to my secretary already about PART I...please do so more often! I need your comments in order to form a better plan. Maybe i missed a detail. Maybe i missed an opinion. Either way, continue. Comment away.

Now where were we? I believe i was about to talk about Ireland. Yes this is a tricky, and touchy, subject. President Aysee has set up a council of 3 Irishmen and 3 Englishmen to rule until we can come to a level headed decision on what to do, once this wave of war rolls over us and we are at peace. Some wish to give it back to the khan, no strings attached. Some wish to see it english again. Now i fall under the second category, my apologies go to the great Khan for it. But i have no wish to see our nation torn in two due to such a small issue in the greater scheme of things. So one of my advisors brought a plan to my attention. A compromise that i wish to implement, whether during or before the war is over. The plan is simple: We become a UNITED KINGDOM. The Khan keeps his autonomy, with the KRF becoming a military defense force for the island, and the khan keeping administrative rule over it as the governor of Ireland. This plan however goes beyond Ireland. It would split up Britain into semi-autonomous regions, Gaul, England, Scotland, Ireland, and Iberia. Then Italy, Russia, and Germany can be implemented in time once they become English enough.

OOC: This would be roleplay. Basicly we annex Ireland in the game, but we install the Khan as the 'ruler' of the island, sort of like the united kingdom today is split into nothern ireland, england, and scotland. What are your thoughts? This plan is in the infancy stages, but i thought i would reveal it so that we can start working towards a compromise to be implemented in the future. To my knowledge, no other candidate has offered up, or even attempted to offer, a compromise in this area. Please dont react badly to this and start yelling at me to pick a side to the arguement. Im trying to make most people mostly happy instead of a few fully happy here.


Back to the speech. To our foriegn policy, the policy that will most likely affect us the most this term besides the war decisions. What shall we do? We have a besieged and damaged India that could be a powerful ally should we help them. Christianity has spread to the americas. Should we plan on expanding our faith over there?

Yes, we should, but not right away. Right now we need to play nice with the norse (OOC: We keep them neutral, and take out poland and vikingdom later, possibly giving the khan some land to rule over in scandinavia if he wishes, or creating a puppet to administrate those vast regions.). We should also pursue a policy of agression with out enemies. Arabia needs to be pushed back, but not too far so we dont overexpand ourselves. Egypt has been vassalized. Shaka is the power in Africa now. My plan is to hold him off by converting Carthage to christianity no matter how long it takes. Hopefully we can vassalize them in the long run, or get a true ally here. germany must continue to be a vassal. We should also see how strong the nations in the americas are, so we can prepare for easy land over there. We dont really need to worry about japan or korea at the moment. Am i missing anyone?

Onto technology. I think we should go Railroads-communism-physics-democracy(OOC: Shouldnt we get this one for free since we already use democracy LH?) Not much else to say on the matter. We need railroads and the communism system. Physics opens up important techs. Democracy gives a good wonder.

Our great people need something to do. I will leave what to do with these people up to the plan for the second part of the term so we can see how other things play out, but i would like to send the merchant out on a trade mission, settle the scientist to create an academy, and use the engineer to speed up a wonder.

And with expansion, i am close to wrapping this up. I know this has been a long one peop[le. Tray and bear with me.

We have a chance to go to the pacific ocean through land warfare. Should we? NO! That land is near worthless. our settlers would starve in the tundra. It would be a nightmare. It would be much better to grab the european area of russia, and some of Arabia, then turn to other routes of expansion. Such as the Americas. Settle some cities there, colonize some cities around the world to keep strongholds of influence. Maybe even take out some primitives in the New World, although that is a decision that has yet to have been made.

Now i ask all you Germans, Irishmen, Englishmen, Iberians, Gaulians, all English citizens. Who do you want as your president? Me? I have already proven my competence in a previous term where the Iberian Jewel was built up and made into a powerhouse, and we strengthened our nations defenses enough to withstand a first strike from Rome. Twinkletoes? Yes he is a rising star in politics, the voice of 'reason'. But in my opinion, not that i think TW would make a bad president, but i think he is too cautious. we need to take an opportunity when we see one. Whosit? Yes he has been a great president in the past. He has had several terms of success. But they have also had several failures. Bad precedents, among other things. I wish them luck, and hope if they get elected, they will do what they think is best for our nation. But i hope you think the same as me. I hope you think i am better for England than they are. I hope you think i can lead this nation to the next level of greatness, I hope you think i can make us THE world power on this great Earth of ours. I have the support of the Pope. Now i am asking for the support of the people.

OOC: THAT is basicly what i plan to propose.
 
I'm Okay with doing that, but We should get it done as soon as possible, to prevent any problems arising with the KRF.

DT
Agreement :stupid:
 
DT dont try lecture me on getting it done as soon as possible. There is no need. I have already stated my distress that LH has put this event in even though i have thought I asked (or i have at least thought it was implied) for the conference. The original plan was to wait until the war was over. I can always revert back to that.
 
It wasn't directed at you! I meant we should come to a consensus as quickly as possible, and get whatever we decide to do done, so we can finish the Ireland situation by the end of your Term.

DT
Feeling Hurt :(
 
No. I've said before, and I'll say it again. Ireland will remain in it's current status until the war is over. The war will be over when the objectives we've outlined are completed (done) and when Saladin gives peace (not yet done). Until then, Ireland stays where it is. The reason I did this is so that this issue does not divide us when we need to be united against the Arabian threat.


As for the syndicate: Don't we have any intelligence forces? Counter-intelligence forces? Surely we must have some of those... This will be the perfect time for them. And put the Night Eagles on call too.
 
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