Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR
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arya126
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Correct IF we had decided to build a wonder. But i am still against a wonder at all. WE ARE AT WAR! We cant build a wonder right now, especially since our two wonder capable cities (london and liverpool) need to build troops for the war, and basic infra like markets.
arya126
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We need them. Economy that is about mto turn to shreds remember? We need all the help we can get.
arya126
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No. We havent gone to the arctic areas that usually have it. Anyway you think a wonder is a better investment of hammers then something that is quicker and will help the economy? Anyway we need to be able to train troops there as well.
Maybe we could do a wonder in Iberia soon. I think it deserves one to mark its progress and how far its come. The british isles and birmingham can keep pumping out troops since they are our production bases right now, and either CN or AK can start on a wonder, or both. Does that compromise work?
Maybe we could do a wonder in Iberia soon. I think it deserves one to mark its progress and how far its come. The british isles and birmingham can keep pumping out troops since they are our production bases right now, and either CN or AK can start on a wonder, or both. Does that compromise work?
arya126
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Cull i hope all this rambling about winter has some purpose.
And we should build the great library in CN, and the statue of zues in AK. Then we can build the AP in RY later. Chop a forest to help if we need to. Give all of these cities 5-10 turns more of either buildings or troops though. Im still hesitant to stop too many cities building stuff for as long as wonders take.
And we should build the great library in CN, and the statue of zues in AK. Then we can build the AP in RY later. Chop a forest to help if we need to. Give all of these cities 5-10 turns more of either buildings or troops though. Im still hesitant to stop too many cities building stuff for as long as wonders take.
On Wonders and Policy
Considering the policy stated that a wonder should only be built after civil service i don't see what the arguement is about. Trying to build NOW is a waste of hammers. Without buarcracy and OR the wonders will take around 40+ turns. If we wait and get the forge as well as the new civics then we get +100% so that cuts all wonder times in half for london.
By that time as well Iberia will be online as a new unit pump. It's nearly better then scotland itself but once the Heroic Epic is finished then that city alone will be able to supply the front lines.
Starting the wonders right now is not a efficiant use of hammers. Better to wait untill the bonus's are in place before doing so. It means we continue to get the most out of theocracy and also means we can change civics with a golden age from Cull later to make them even faster and push through any economic trouble near the end of the war.
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Assuming London is working at least 2 mines at 4
that gives london a minimum of base 9 as london will get bigger and perhaps whipped down as well we can probably round that to 10 on average
The AP = 400 cost
Base london = 10 =40 turns
Civic and forge supplied london =20 =20 turns
The Collosus = 250 cost (Double production with copper)
Base London = 20 = 13 turns
C&F London = 40 = 7 turns
The Great Library = 350 cost (Double production with marble)
Base London = 20 = 17 turns
C&F London = 40 = 9 turns
University of Sankore = 550 cost (Double production with stone)
Base London = 20 = 23
C&F London = 40 = 12
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As you can see it's more efficiant to wait untill w change civics. Hell once we do we can push the Collosus out in 7 turns! if we are in a golden age that would probably be rounded down to 5!
We can get the 1st tier basic infrastructure now (granery / lighthouse / barracks) but continue to pump units. Once Organised Religion is in place then the 2nd tier infra can be made (forges / markets / libraries / religious buildings) This is also a more efficiant use of
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On the Techs
I think Cull is pushing for banking as it is the english special building and would sort out any and all future economic problems. The Gunpowder helps as well because we are defencive and would stop most future attacks.
It is a bit military heavy though. Most of them wouldn't be used in the war before i was over. Macemen maybe and maybe one singuler knight could leg-it to the front line. I would have liked either some exploration techs or the paper tech thrown in there. Education would probably be something the next president would have to deal with.
(To Aysee: From what i remember i think the vikings or egypt has literacy. those two seem to be the tech leaders while India is the score leader (most likely through wonders and religious influence))
On the Developing Story
Nice! It would just be like the Ravus Persona to run away if he had a cunning plan to put into action later. Not a agressive fighter that one.
I guess we would have cranes as well now what with us having machinery
neat we are in medievil times!
Did Whosit steal my Vigilantte idea!? That cunning retrobate. Sounds like he has snapped, Robin Hoods not all there. Either that or it's Someone from the Copperheads or Arya's group gone batty.
Considering the policy stated that a wonder should only be built after civil service i don't see what the arguement is about. Trying to build NOW is a waste of hammers. Without buarcracy and OR the wonders will take around 40+ turns. If we wait and get the forge as well as the new civics then we get +100% so that cuts all wonder times in half for london.
By that time as well Iberia will be online as a new unit pump. It's nearly better then scotland itself but once the Heroic Epic is finished then that city alone will be able to supply the front lines.
Starting the wonders right now is not a efficiant use of hammers. Better to wait untill the bonus's are in place before doing so. It means we continue to get the most out of theocracy and also means we can change civics with a golden age from Cull later to make them even faster and push through any economic trouble near the end of the war.
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Assuming London is working at least 2 mines at 4
that gives london a minimum of base 9 as london will get bigger and perhaps whipped down as well we can probably round that to 10 on averageThe AP = 400
costBase london = 10
=40 turnsCivic and forge supplied london =20
=20 turnsThe Collosus = 250
cost (Double production with copper)Base London = 20
= 13 turnsC&F London = 40
= 7 turnsThe Great Library = 350
cost (Double production with marble)Base London = 20
= 17 turnsC&F London = 40
= 9 turnsUniversity of Sankore = 550
cost (Double production with stone)Base London = 20
= 23C&F London = 40
= 12-
As you can see it's more efficiant to wait untill w change civics. Hell once we do we can push the Collosus out in 7 turns! if we are in a golden age that would probably be rounded down to 5!
We can get the 1st tier basic infrastructure now (granery / lighthouse / barracks) but continue to pump units. Once Organised Religion is in place then the 2nd tier infra can be made (forges / markets / libraries / religious buildings) This is also a more efficiant use of
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On the Techs
I think Cull is pushing for banking as it is the english special building and would sort out any and all future economic problems. The Gunpowder helps as well because we are defencive and would stop most future attacks.
It is a bit military heavy though. Most of them wouldn't be used in the war before i was over. Macemen maybe and maybe one singuler knight could leg-it to the front line. I would have liked either some exploration techs or the paper tech thrown in there. Education would probably be something the next president would have to deal with.
(To Aysee: From what i remember i think the vikings or egypt has literacy. those two seem to be the tech leaders while India is the score leader (most likely through wonders and religious influence))
On the Developing Story
Nice! It would just be like the Ravus Persona to run away if he had a cunning plan to put into action later. Not a agressive fighter that one.
I guess we would have cranes as well now what with us having machinery
neat we are in medievil times! Did Whosit steal my Vigilantte idea!? That cunning retrobate. Sounds like he has snapped, Robin Hoods not all there. Either that or it's Someone from the Copperheads or Arya's group gone batty.
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2-movers are strong. Banks are better than unis for us, and the only advantage of unis is Oxford, and I'm quite sure that banking is cheaper.
So after CS/Mech(whichever one we're on), Feud-Guilds-Banking looks to be it.
And when I said wonders, I don't mean now. After the war/once we push ahead, we will.
So after CS/Mech(whichever one we're on), Feud-Guilds-Banking looks to be it.
And when I said wonders, I don't mean now. After the war/once we push ahead, we will.
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mechaerik
Tuturuu!
Why Statue of Zeus? It sucks (except for the culture).
Nukeknockout
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on the markets:we need them eventually.it sounds small,but +25% in every city is a massive bonus.
on wonders,yes but NOT NOW! Ravus makes sense,I would never take the time to calculate it all,but his reasoning and math is sound
on wonders,yes but NOT NOW! Ravus makes sense,I would never take the time to calculate it all,but his reasoning and math is sound
mechaerik
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It isn't really, considering the
cost of th markets. Its completely dependent on the slider.That being said, they can be very useful, particularly in shrine cities, but they aren't a "build in every city" building.
Nukeknockout
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It isn't really, considering the
That being said, they can be very useful, particularly in shrine cities, but they aren't a "build in every city" building.
the way I use them,it's so I can set the science slider higher
and the sooner we build them,the bigger the rewards
mechaerik
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But if you set the slider higher, you're lowering the bonus you get from the Markets, making them less useful.
arya126
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Statue of zues because i want a cool wonder for AK, and zues is just awesome. And it is like 100% less war weariness or something, and that could come in handy if we ever go to war with russia.
Okay i say once peace is established (we should have beauracracy by then) AP is built in london, followed by the great library, AK gets the statue of zues, and either CN/antium/liverpool builds the colossus. Then when oxford and sankore become available, london and liverpool builds those.
Nuke, although you are right in a way, i would like tp point out that markkets give a 25% increase in GOLD, not commerce overall. So they would be useful in binary, but if we want a high science slider the whole time instead of binary, it wont help much. It might raise it by 10%, but only if there is one in EVERY city. And that would be a max.
Okay i say once peace is established (we should have beauracracy by then) AP is built in london, followed by the great library, AK gets the statue of zues, and either CN/antium/liverpool builds the colossus. Then when oxford and sankore become available, london and liverpool builds those.
Nuke, although you are right in a way, i would like tp point out that markkets give a 25% increase in GOLD, not commerce overall. So they would be useful in binary, but if we want a high science slider the whole time instead of binary, it wont help much. It might raise it by 10%, but only if there is one in EVERY city. And that would be a max.
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
Actually, its more war weariness for the enemy; the AI gets reduced war weariness, and they only get it if they're invading.
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