arya126
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A question to Ravus the pope: What are the final goals of this crusade? The two holy cities?
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arya126
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Not the goal of the war, the goal of the religious crusade. The war is being pursued by the government, but the crusade is being pursued by the religious as PART of the war.
LH (sorry for the bold but i want to make sure you see this) can I (the govt) call for volunteers to join in on the crusade, giving us free, but poorly trained, units?
LH (sorry for the bold but i want to make sure you see this) can I (the govt) call for volunteers to join in on the crusade, giving us free, but poorly trained, units?
OOC: Arya is cottoning on. The original idea in calling for a crusade was to introduce events in which england got free troops or something. However LH said in chat after the crusade was called he wouldn't do any crusade related events, although the government may be able to get away with calling for cheap troops. :OOC
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arya126
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Um...what do you mean im 'cottoning on'? Anyway by cheap troops i assume he means obsolete by our standards, so how about 6-14 muskets determined by coin tosses?
I mean you're starting to see the bonuses we can get from the crusade. If you've ever played FFH2 then you can see how a swarm of fanatical warriors can be a serious bonus to the war effort. And yeah thats the kind of forces I was thinking.
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Lighthearter
President of the United States
I'm on chat, people.
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Lighthearter
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Playing the turnset! Anyone want a hint?
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Twinkletoes89
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Yes please! (remember I can't go on chat!)
Lighthearter
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There will b an event - and I think I've got it already!
Oh and the War continues . . . bloodily.
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Oh and the War continues . . . bloodily.-L
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Nothing much happened this turn, other then the Zulu's attempt to make us give tribute, the American attempt to get us to abandon our deals with the Vikings, the Carthaginian attempt to get us to adopt a civic and the Incan trade(Scientific Method +$10 from them in exchange for Rifling from us). The Incan trade was accepted. The others were not.
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Nothing much happened this turn, other then the Zulu's attempt to make us give tribute, the American attempt to get us to abandon our deals with the Vikings, the Carthaginian attempt to get us to adopt a civic and the Incan trade(Scientific Method +$10 from them in exchange for Rifling from us). The Incan trade was accepted. The others were not.
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I'm pleased with our victories in Russia. But judging by all those frowny-faces, I'd say the effects of the war are being felt at home. Perhaps we should do something to mollify our angry citizens?
arya126
Squad Leader
Actually, those angry faces have been lessened since the begining of my term. We have made progress. The remaining ones are probably from whipping and drafting.
Whosit
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The massive starvation in Cumae is not a good thing. I imagine that it is a combination of the unsanitary conditions and the citizens who refuse to work--there is not enough food being produced to keep the city fed. The happiness of our cities must be addressed. I must admit that I cannot help but feel that the fault partially lies with the, shall we say, true executive, as well as with the administration for not addressing this issue in its policy.
Unhappy citizens means lost production, lost income, and has a crippling effect upon our nation! As the situation is particularly bad in some places, I suggest that the administration direct some funds to Culture in order to pacify the unhappy citizens, after which more permanent measures must be taken. These include the construction of buildings that increase happiness: Forges (as we have access to Gold and Silver), Markets (if we have access to Silks, Furs, Ivory, or Whales), Temples, even Colosseums. Theatres will help increase the effects of the Cultural Slider, but unless we have a source of Dyes, they will not directly help.
As a secondary issue, health must be addressed. Certain buildings can be constructed to help, but happiness is the most important. Both of these issues can also be prevented if cities are prevented from growing before the break their happiness cap. This requires some attention to each city every few turns, but as I have said, unhappy people cost us production and income, and increase our costs and city maintenance increases with size, while unhappy citizens just eat food without returning any productivity.
The war appears to be going well, if for no other reason than we have a massive technological advantage, but our newly acquired cities are being horrendously mismanaged! Rather than Redcoats, they need to be producing Theatres, Libraries, and other culture-producing improvements so that they do not defect to the stronger regional cultures of our enemies! If the administration intends to spend English blood to give territory to our foes, then I cannot support this war effort. I think that our esteemed leaders forget that there are always two fronts in any war: On the field, and at home. Success on the first but failure on the latter will mean defeat on both.
I do hope that our president will take these suggestions as intended: To strengthen England's position in the world and to ensure the success of our struggles against the treacherous Arabs.
I would also like to mention that, unless the Rifling technology has already been discovered by one of our rivals, trading it away was a mistake. I hope for clarification on this issue.
Unhappy citizens means lost production, lost income, and has a crippling effect upon our nation! As the situation is particularly bad in some places, I suggest that the administration direct some funds to Culture in order to pacify the unhappy citizens, after which more permanent measures must be taken. These include the construction of buildings that increase happiness: Forges (as we have access to Gold and Silver), Markets (if we have access to Silks, Furs, Ivory, or Whales), Temples, even Colosseums. Theatres will help increase the effects of the Cultural Slider, but unless we have a source of Dyes, they will not directly help.
As a secondary issue, health must be addressed. Certain buildings can be constructed to help, but happiness is the most important. Both of these issues can also be prevented if cities are prevented from growing before the break their happiness cap. This requires some attention to each city every few turns, but as I have said, unhappy people cost us production and income, and increase our costs and city maintenance increases with size, while unhappy citizens just eat food without returning any productivity.
The war appears to be going well, if for no other reason than we have a massive technological advantage, but our newly acquired cities are being horrendously mismanaged! Rather than Redcoats, they need to be producing Theatres, Libraries, and other culture-producing improvements so that they do not defect to the stronger regional cultures of our enemies! If the administration intends to spend English blood to give territory to our foes, then I cannot support this war effort. I think that our esteemed leaders forget that there are always two fronts in any war: On the field, and at home. Success on the first but failure on the latter will mean defeat on both.
I do hope that our president will take these suggestions as intended: To strengthen England's position in the world and to ensure the success of our struggles against the treacherous Arabs.
I would also like to mention that, unless the Rifling technology has already been discovered by one of our rivals, trading it away was a mistake. I hope for clarification on this issue.
I agree that the newly aquired cities need some culture to at least get the border pop. Fighting the Arabian cities culture should be easy as they are new but the Greeks and Vikings are well placed to overwhelm them. St. Petersburg is allready under threat.
Upping the culture slider by 10-20% is a good stop gap but later on they either need the religion spread to them or a theatre built.
...I really do want clarification along with Whosit. Did we just trade away our Rifling when we were the only ones with it? The Incans arn't exactly going to keep it to themselves! It will be round the world and into Arabian hands soon if we have traded it away! Damn that just means we need those machine gunners in place all the sooner.
So after this city are we going to attempt to see if we can get peace? Then if we can't we head south for that next Arabian city to block of their supply line into Russia correct? It all seems good.
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Aside: The Goal of the Crusade was to rest the other religious Holy cities away from Arabia. We couldn't let some godless heathen abuse religions like that. It wouldn't be proper.
Upping the culture slider by 10-20% is a good stop gap but later on they either need the religion spread to them or a theatre built.
...I really do want clarification along with Whosit. Did we just trade away our Rifling when we were the only ones with it? The Incans arn't exactly going to keep it to themselves! It will be round the world and into Arabian hands soon if we have traded it away! Damn that just means we need those machine gunners in place all the sooner.
So after this city are we going to attempt to see if we can get peace? Then if we can't we head south for that next Arabian city to block of their supply line into Russia correct? It all seems good.
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Aside: The Goal of the Crusade was to rest the other religious Holy cities away from Arabia. We couldn't let some godless heathen abuse religions like that. It wouldn't be proper.
arya126
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A bigger post will come later today, but just some quick points:
It was not my decision to trade away rifling. LH made it for me. I apologise for this, but it wont spread immediatly, and we got scientific method so its not all bad. At least we know we have a source of oil in the north sea.
We are already adressing health as we speak. I asked LH to trade for some health resources, and intend to build some of those buildings you suggest towards the end of the term. My intention has been to put our economy on a war footing until it looks like we will have sufficient force to keep this war going for a while.
Yes after novgorod, i will ask for peace.
I find it strange Whosit that you werent ranting about unhappy citizens before i term. There were plenty more then. Trust me, the government is taking steps to reduce them in the long term, and make use of their prescense in the short term.
More will come later.
It was not my decision to trade away rifling. LH made it for me. I apologise for this, but it wont spread immediatly, and we got scientific method so its not all bad. At least we know we have a source of oil in the north sea.
We are already adressing health as we speak. I asked LH to trade for some health resources, and intend to build some of those buildings you suggest towards the end of the term. My intention has been to put our economy on a war footing until it looks like we will have sufficient force to keep this war going for a while.
Yes after novgorod, i will ask for peace.
I find it strange Whosit that you werent ranting about unhappy citizens before i term. There were plenty more then. Trust me, the government is taking steps to reduce them in the long term, and make use of their prescense in the short term.
More will come later.
Twinkletoes89
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Hopefully the end of the war is nigh and more happiness will return as peace is swept across the country.
Happiness is slowly coming under control, though I do not disagree that more actions may have to be taken if the war is prolonged beyond Novgorod.
In terms of my main area of influence, Foreign affairs seems to have been managed relatively well by the administration despite the unexpected disappointment of the loss of our monopoly on rifling.
Soon I anticipate that we will be turning towards some peaceful development of our new Russian holdings, preparing for our next strike once the cities have been made culturally sound and adequately defended and supplied.
Happiness is slowly coming under control, though I do not disagree that more actions may have to be taken if the war is prolonged beyond Novgorod.
In terms of my main area of influence, Foreign affairs seems to have been managed relatively well by the administration despite the unexpected disappointment of the loss of our monopoly on rifling.
Soon I anticipate that we will be turning towards some peaceful development of our new Russian holdings, preparing for our next strike once the cities have been made culturally sound and adequately defended and supplied.
With the loss of a rifleing monopoly the continuation of conquests are more important than ever.
I am upset we traded rifling, but no usemobbing the admin crying over spilt milk. I agree that the homefront needs happiness, particularly Cumae.
I am also of the opinion that the frontline cities should be gaining culture. How doesn't matter but they need to gain culture ASAP, with reconstructing infrastructure a close second.
Also: a foreign relations summary (words or pics) and a world map would be appreciated.
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I am upset we traded rifling, but no use
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I am also of the opinion that the frontline cities should be gaining culture. How doesn't matter but they need to gain culture ASAP, with reconstructing infrastructure a close second.
Also: a foreign relations summary (words or pics) and a world map would be appreciated.
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Allright so it seems simple enough... onwards with the plan! Crusade that last city then see if the Arabs will take peace.
although i did hear news of a event being contemplated by Lighthearter.... going to shock us with something. Those poor Russians are a bit downtrodden under their insane king arn't they. Poor things. Oh and we will finally get to get together and do something about the Irish... I don't think the Khan will wait around peacefully much longer.
although i did hear news of a event being contemplated by Lighthearter.... going to shock us with something. Those poor Russians are a bit downtrodden under their insane king arn't they. Poor things. Oh and we will finally get to get together and do something about the Irish... I don't think the Khan will wait around peacefully much longer.
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