Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Newyn]

I'm not sure how you see that. Majiffy was hellbent on seeing Kennigit lynched.

Vote: Jarrema for pretty much the same reason as yesterday.

Majiffy knew noone would take him seriously given his behaviour.

What I do see though is you moving off Kennigit late yesterday when you were both tied for the lead.

 

[Double A]

Ftr this is town.

ftr?

Good post /s

I am in two minds about Kennigit's last post, but it's enough that I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Unvote
Vote: Pigeon

I was trying to pump him for info in my own horribly ineffective way. I guess it worked.
unvote

I have to agree with Pouter on cuthillius. His first real vote especially gives me bad vibes.

Okay. Majiffy, you're hurting town right now. Even if you are town, the wolves can just say, oh, hey, this is a good opportunity to get an easy lynch by voting for Majiffy. Let's all vote for Majiffy, guys, and tadah, they are up one point.

It's just way too wifomy for my tastes. Pointing out the mafia could jump on a wagon to hide, right after he jumped on himself?
vote: cuthillius

 

[choxorn]

Majiffy knew noone would take him seriously given his behaviour.

You're giving him too much credit. Either he didn't know that his behavior would be taken this way or he didn't care and knew that he was going to get WoG'ed, and just wanted to piss people off as much as he could. I don't think his going after Kennigit so hard on day 1 was some mega distancing ploy or anything, he was just being an ass. But hey, maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Double A]

leaning towards the asshat theory

 

[Jarrema]

Vote: Jarrema for pretty much the same reason as yesterday.

I see why some others vote for me - that thing with voting for Snerk twice. It was just a mistake.

But you vote on me is strange. Landlubber, why are you hating me so much?

 

[Newyn]

My vote is based purely on what happened at the end of yesterday. I was purely pointing out how the Majiffy stuff can be interpreted in different ways since Landlubber want to use it as proof that they're not connected.

 

[choxorn]

As to the unvote, at the time there was a 4-way tie between landlubber, Kennigit, Snerk, and Legato Endless, and I don't think there's any problems with him taking his vote off Kennigit and thinking about it for a bit, especially if he didn't really seem aware of how replacing Majiffy mid-day would affect Majiffy's votes. He legitimately seemed like he didn't know who he wanted to vote for yet, which given yesterday's events is understandable. He later voted for Jarrema, who had no votes yet, even though he was in the lead and Legato (who is known to be town) and Snerk were one behind him. I think that if landlubber were scum, even if he did want to save Kennigit, he'd try harder to save himself and try to put Legato or Snerk in the lead or vote one of the other candidates with 2 votes on them. Scum tend to try harder than he did yesterday to avoid dying.

 

[dragonprobably]

Sorry I'm late you guys, I'm in SamSniped's boat. Cuthillius and Kennigit are both pinging on my scumdar, so I'm going to reread the thread to see if there are scumtells. Not right now though because it's late.

martinluther are explicitly scum (martinluther could have been an ignorant townie that just accidentally saved a scum, if the majiffy/jarrema angle was there)

What are you on about?

I don't think his going after Kennigit so hard on day 1 was some mega distancing ploy or anything, he was just being an ass.

From now on I'm calling Mafia players who are being a jackass, a Majiffy.

 

[Kennigit]

Well, Pouter Pigeon, in his only posts today, inserted his own random thoughts in the middle of an otherwise targeted discussion. He also did not address the claim against him by Kennigit. Though it might be ignorable in other circumstances, when combined with the off topic bits and a vote for Kennigit that was barely justified I question his innocence.

it's not really unique by me. In fact, bladescape and spaceman softly threw out the same (and I know you saw that, since you replied to bladescape). This post almost feels like a boxing scum hype man trying to rabble rouse the wrong angles.

Pouter hasn't posted since my longer post implicating him. Give him time.

If you want to be helpful, then why do you keep making vague comments about how you think your role might imply something about the game without going into any kind of detail? You act like you have useful information, but you're not telling us what it is, why it's leading you to guess things about the scum factions or about items. You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything. Like Pouter said, you're being anti-information.

If you really mean what you say, then give us actual information to work with. If it's just something you don't want to say in public, at least tell us that and maybe PM someone.

nope. I have brought a little information to the table. Perhaps someone reading it out there might put some other things together that fit in the context I provided. Similar to the way bsmith explicitly saying he has an ability he doesn't get a result on and apparently is PMing a specific person about that (if that happened at all). Clearly, I am not the only one who has a little bit of knowledge that needs to be pieced together with other townie knowledge.

I do note there are philosophical differences I hold--I find it much more important at this stage of the game to understand the game mechanics. Even small explicitly confirmed stuff is good.

A little bit of knowledge in the game setup goes a much farther way in my book. For instance, I do acknowledge I am assuming 2 asymmetric scum teams but the game would be VASTLY different if there is just one large team of 5 or something and a SK. That entirely changes the fundamental nature of how lynches have to be performed, as well as mean the town has to 100% work for EVERY scum kill rather than sometimes get lucky and get a scum killing a different scum. At least, *I* would change my approach if I had confirmation of 2 or 1 wolf/scum team(s).

the bit about "mechanisms against claiming your role, so be very wary of that" makes me fear for a cult a little bit. It also should discourage mass public claiming right now. The town have to be intelligent in not giving the wolves info to feed on.

to respond to you directly choxorn: I do not feel pressure to divulge any more information in public, but I have no means to communicate effectively privately. I will not reach out to anyone at this time.

I have posted enough and possibly veered the discussion in the wrong direction. There were good posts at the start of the day that should not be forgotten as well (e.g., spaceman on winston hughes, etc).

So I will lay low for a good chunk (also will be at work on my phone)


re martin luther: you broke a tiebreak. I have nothing against you on that, but if majiffy showed up scum that does not reflect well....

 

[Newyn]

As to the unvote, at the time there was a 4-way tie between landlubber, Kennigit, Snerk, and Legato Endless, and I don't think there's any problems with him taking his vote off Kennigit and thinking about it for a bit, especially if he didn't really seem aware of how replacing Majiffy mid-day would affect Majiffy's votes. He legitimately seemed like he didn't know who he wanted to vote for yet, which given yesterday's events is understandable. He later voted for Jarrema, who had no votes yet, even though he was in the lead and Legato (who is known to be town) and Snerk were one behind him. I think that if landlubber were scum, even if he did want to save Kennigit, he'd try harder to save himself and try to put Legato or Snerk in the lead or vote one of the other candidates with 2 votes on them. Scum tend to try harder than he did yesterday to avoid dying.

Except he was in a unique situation where he didn't need to. His voting for Jarrema is the perfect safe vote. He moved off Kennigit to get him out of immediate danger and by not voting for the other tied people, he gives them little reason to push against him for survival purposes backed up by the fact that as Majiffy's replacement, people are naturally inclined to not lynch him.

 

[Kennigit]

Last post i swear: i realize i am "softballing" as i have called it. Similar to what i said to bsmith, i'll offer hard explicit swaps of info.

 

[choxorn]

That's a fair point, I suppose, it just didn't strike me as scummy. But maybe I'm wrong about that.

What's the vote tally right now?

 

[Visorslash]

3 Jarrema (IF, spaceman, Land)
4 Kennigit (Cuth, BSmith, Pigeon, Newyn)
1 BSmith (Auto)
3 Pigeon (Kennigit, Blade, Remake)
1 Cuth (AA)
1 Land (Jarrema)

13/26 not voting.

 

[bladescape]

ftr?

I have to agree with Pouter on cuthillius. His first real vote especially gives me bad vibes.

It's just way too wifomy for my tastes. Pointing out the mafia could jump on a wagon to hide, right after he jumped on himself?
vote: cuthillius

Ftr = For the Record. Sorry I have bad internet acronyms in my vocabulary.

You know, I could do a Cuthillius wagon.

Last post i swear: i realize i am "softballing" as i have called it. Similar to what i said to bsmith, i'll offer hard explicit swaps of info.

Well I'm always open to a swap of info when you feel up to it. Though perfectly understandable if you're not willing to trust me yet. I don't trust me yet.

 

[Newyn]

Last post i swear: i realize i am "softballing" as i have called it. Similar to what i said to bsmith, i'll offer hard explicit swaps of info.

How is that town exactly? If the information you have shouldn't be shared publicly, say so. To me this just appears to be you trying to get information from other people while making promises of giving information yourself that you may not even honour.

 

[bladescape]

He's already basically said that it's information that shouldn't be shared publicly.

Note: Sickness has resurged so if I make some comment that doesn't make sense, this is why.

 

[Newyn]

He's already basically said that it's information that shouldn't be shared publicly.

Note: Sickness has resurged so if I make some comment that doesn't make sense, this is why.

Yet he's willing to "offer hard explicit swaps of info." What sort of information can't be shared publicly that can be traded for other information if someone wants to do it in private? This is just plain fishing as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Snerk]

Al sipsclar is being very quiet.

 

[Visorslash]

Snerk, you have been found unworthy of having existed. Your life and all memory of you will be wiped from history. The void you occupied in the space-time continuum will be allocated to a person who was never given the gift of life. May they spend their time more wisely."

Snerk has died. He was

Spoiler :

Legion!

 

[bladescape]

Okay. Random daykill on someone not really scummy.

I really hope I can assume that was a scum/neutral power.