Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

Can someone make a collection of MartinLuther's posts in this thread? I only had enough time to glance over them, but the only helpful thing he's really said as far as I saw was that he agrees with Majiffy about Ken. Could be wrong or might have missed something.
 
Can someone make a collection of MartinLuther's posts in this thread? I only had enough time to glance over them, but the only helpful thing he's really said as far as I saw was that he agrees with Majiffy about Ken. Could be wrong or might have missed something.

Let me get that for you:

Vote: Xym because that's a weird name.

It's a nonsense swear from the show.

Not to mention his heavy use of Argument by assertion.

Wait a second.

Xym.
Zym.
Zim.

XYM IS AN INVADER! EVERYONE VOTE XYM OR IT WILL BE YOUR DOOM!

Vote: Legato because landlubber is only getting votes because of Majiffy.

Sorry I'm late you guys, I'm in SamSniped's boat. Cuthillius and Kennigit are both pinging on my scumdar, so I'm going to reread the thread to see if there are scumtells. Not right now though because it's late.



:confused: What are you on about?



From now on I'm calling Mafia players who are being a jackass, a Majiffy.

I'm convinced that Vote: Kennigit is mafia. (BTW, why are we using the word Wolf? This isn't a NOTW.)



Obvious rolefishing.



Guys, look at how town I am. You should trust me because I'm town.
 
Here you go:

Vote: Xym because that's a weird name.

Standard Day 1 Random Vote.

It's a nonsense swear from the show.

Said in response to Jarrema asking what "Smeg" means.

Not to mention his heavy use of Argument by assertion.

Talking about Majiffy's arguments.

Wait a second.

Xym.
Zym.
Zim.

XYM IS AN INVADER! EVERYONE VOTE XYM OR IT WILL BE YOUR DOOM!

More Day 1 randomness.

Vote: Legato because landlubber is only getting votes because of Majiffy.

The tiebreaker vote that killed Legato over landlubber. Could be a scum link, or Martin could have honestly just not wanted landlubber to die just because of how Majiffy was acting before he subbed in and thought Legato was a better candidate.

Sorry I'm late you guys, I'm in SamSniped's boat. Cuthillius and Kennigit are both pinging on my scumdar, so I'm going to reread the thread to see if there are scumtells. Not right now though because it's late.



:confused: What are you on about?



From now on I'm calling Mafia players who are being a jackass, a Majiffy.

I'm convinced that Vote: Kennigit is mafia. (BTW, why are we using the word Wolf? This isn't a NOTW.)



Obvious rolefishing.



Guys, look at how town I am. You should trust me because I'm town.

This is where he shows up today, and looking at Kennigit's posts convinces him that Kennigit is mafia.
 
Not sure what to think about the votes against me...

Kennigit said:
My other ping would be pouter pidgeon for being first to break majiffy chain.

Kennigit said:
The conflicting thought (e.g. why I am voting pouter pigeon) is he really came in there to seem "wise" about being able to read townieness. Spaceman and Pouter Pigeon seemed to try to be very cautious about it. I already criticized spaceman in day phase 1.

Jarrema could be doing the same thing, but he was more committed in his statement. To the effect of "[I believe] majiffy is town". I generally think scum avoid absolutes early on. It shows you could have some knowledge. Scum have to hide any potential of Perfect Information Syndrome. Jarrema drew in a hard line. Spaceman and pouter pigeon "softballed" in some friction to the wheels of the majiffy wagon.

For example, I went back and reread to try to see what you were talking about with the caution thing and I think I must be misunderstanding your point here, because if you look at the posts, Jarrema and I used almost the exact same language:

I dont think Majiffy is scum. I do think his behavior is not nice, but that is not a reason to vote for him (not in-game one).

I don't think you're scum, so I'm not going to vote for you, but I do think you're going to hurt the town unless your behaviour changes, so I don't mind if other people do.

The only difference is that Jarrema did not believe voting for someone based on unkind behaviour was valid and I did (on the grounds that Majiffy's behaviour was disruptive and making it harder to get good reads)

Really all there is to it is that if I don't think a wagon is likely to catch a wolf I'm not going to join it. Majiffy's wagon couldn't even be sold as a pressure wagon, since he was already posting plenty and even genuinely (at least I think so) trying to help town under all of the rudeness. IMO, voting for someone I can't read is always better than voting for someone I read as town, regardless of whether or not they're actually being helpful. If other people wanted to vote Majiffy just to get him out of the game though, I wasn't going to fight them on it, since he was making things unpleasant.

As for this:
Well, Pouter Pigeon, in his only posts today, inserted his own random thoughts in the middle of an otherwise targeted discussion. He also did not address the claim against him by Kennigit. Though it might be ignorable in other circumstances, when combined with the off topic bits and a vote for Kennigit that was barely justified I question his innocence.

Classes are just starting so I can't always follow the game and immediately respond to things. I'll post what I can when I can post it, but that's all I'm going to promise. As for the section I bolded, what's wrong with posting my own thoughts even if they don't happen to correspond with the rest of the thread? That doesn't mean my suspicions aren't relevant to the game. Chalk this down as another post discouraging town discourse.

I still can't figure out why I'm reading Cuthillis as wolfy, but it hasn't gone away, and I think I'm going to add Choxorn to my suspect list, but I need to read more of his posts to be certain.

For now my vote is going to stay on Kennigit, because in my last game we caught the alpha by pressuring someone who seemed vaguely suspicious until they obliged us and made a long involved post to prove they were being helpful, but was actually somewhat misleading, and I think we might be seeing a similar case with Kennigit.
 
Martin could have honestly just not wanted landlubber to die just because of how Majiffy was acting before he subbed in and thought Legato was a better candidate.

Exactly. Just because Majiffy was acting like a jackass doesn't mean we should lynch landlubber. landlubber has shown no signs of being scum so far. However, once he does I'll pounce on him like a panther pounces on his prey.
 
Al sipsclar is being very quiet.

Snerk, you have been found unworthy of having existed. Your life and all memory of you will be wiped from history. The void you occupied in the space-time continuum will be allocated to a person who was never given the gift of life. May they spend their time more wisely."

Snerk has died. He was

Spoiler :
Legion!

legion_0.jpg

Ok I'm curious


unvote: vote: Al sipsclar


*casually pokes eldricht abomination*



can we still lovingly insult each other

also does this count as pdma


I don't really know what to think about someone not wanting to publicly share info. Saying that kinda paints a big target on your head, but coming out with it could potentially make the target bigger. I pressed Pizza hard once or twice on that and it kinda screwed the town over so I've been pretty cautious about it. I guess Ken should get a chance?

also I had a cold and it mutated so I know that feel right now



Who? I didn't see anyone die.

What is pdma?

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I still think Jarrema should hang. Here are all of his posts

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13943601#post13943601

the first post Internet Flea pointed out

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13943618#post13943618

irrelevant

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13944113#post13944113

the doublevote in question

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13948270#post13948270

Defends self and OMGUS's landlubber.

No real contributions here, no meaningful statements on any of the lead cases. Just looks like scum trying to blend in.

unvote: vote Jarrema

*casually steps away from eldricht abomination*
 
Basically even assuming that the doublevote was a honest mistake, his overall posting record seems scummy, and I'm not sure I'm willing to make that assumption
 
If you don't think it's a mistake, are you saying you think Jarrema and landlubber are mafia buddies?
 
Possible. In which case his post today makes sense as distancing/bussing (that case on Landlubber was very weak)
 
What is pdma?

Public Discussion of Moderator Actions. Something that is against the rules as well. If there are questions regarding a moderator action they should be done via PM or other private channels.

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Possible. In which case his post today makes sense as distancing/bussing (that case on Landlubber was very weak)
What I'm driving at is that the only way re-voting Snerk is possibly scummy is if you think Jarrema and landlubber are teammates. So I think it's weird that you would say it's suspicious while remaining wishy-washy on the connection to landlubber.
 
Pouter you also asked explicitly for majiffy's suspicions which inherently says "not only am i not voting for you but i will listen to you" and as i posted jarrema came in with an already slowing down bandwagon.


Do you have reason to suspect an alpha? (I assume godfather)? Why?

Who cares about your last game. Did your last game have limited private communication? 1 or 2 scum teams? Items? Abilities?
 
Pouter you also asked explicitly for majiffy's suspicions which inherently says "not only am i not voting for you but i will listen to you" and as i posted jarrema came in with an already slowing down bandwagon.

I was more trying to get him to back up his vague general assertions with concrete examples and scumreads. And in any case, why shouldn't I listen to someone if I think he's town? And what does that have to do with being overly cautious (your given reason for voting for me)? And more importantly, why is voting off the Majiffy wagon a problem in the first place, unless you are saying that Majiffy/Landlubber is a wolf? In that case, why do you think that is the case?

Do you have reason to suspect an alpha? (I assume godfather)? Why?

Who cares about your last game. Did your last game have limited private communication? 1 or 2 scum teams? Items? Abilities?

Ok, point taken, bringing up a previous game is not super relevant/appropriate. I meant it less as a direct comparison and more as an example of "these are tells that I have seen work to catch wolves before, so I feel comfortable relying on them again in this case." Do you think that there is a reason that the tells I mentioned wouldn't work in this game?
 
Possible. In which case his post today makes sense as distancing/bussing (that case on Landlubber was very weak)

I didnt have anything more than that. Is it so surprising?
 
Really? That weak case you made on landlubber is the best case you could make on him, or anyone?
 
What I'm driving at is that the only way re-voting Snerk is possibly scummy is if you think Jarrema and landlubber are teammates. So I think it's weird that you would say it's suspicious while remaining wishy-washy on the connection to landlubber.

This one's close enough to my argument that I'm going to jump in here.

Whatever his role, Majiffy was anti-town. The last game I hosted with a problematic player, the wolves were making plans around keeping him alive and disruptive as long as possible. So I think that Jarrema is likely a wolf even if landlubber isn't.

As to the re-vote, even if it was an honest mistake (which it probably was, with thirty people in the game you've got to expect someone will see it), it points to Jarrema prioritizing pushing Snerk's bandwagon over checking his old vote, which implies an investment in the bandwagon that town shouldn't have.
 
Snerk, you have been found unworthy of having existed. Your life and all memory of you will be wiped from history. The void you occupied in the space-time continuum will be allocated to a person who was never given the gift of life. May they spend their time more wisely."

Snerk has died. He was

Spoiler :
Legion!

legion_0.jpg

Okay, I was reading this again. I can tell by that green text that Snerk's killer was The Inquisitor. My speculation is that he's a serial killer of some sort. The Inquisitor didn't seem to care who his target was, as long as that person was a waste of reproductive matter.
 
Jarrema that seems super scummy or lazy. You have nothing to offer? At all?

Im assuming the snerk kill was a townie or neutral though (scum could save that to target a specific townie. I am assuming that was kind of a one-shot deal). But whoever used it had to have checked the thread.

There is a strong chance the scum (or a plurality of the scum) could just be inactives
 
Why would a townie use a one-shot vig ability to kill someone under virtually no suspicion on Day 2?
 
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