Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

Not sure if this will be helpful or not, but here's all the votes from the previous four days, with the dead townies colored in blue and the dead mafia colored in red:

Day Three:
5 Luizeu (landlubber, KingMorgan, Takhisis, Jarrema, Xym)
3 Cuthilius (Autolycus, choxorn, Al Sips)
3 Sprig (Pouter Pigeon, Murska, Newyn)
3 Jarrema (Internet Flea, spaceman, Cuthilius)

I think that votes from this day are crutial.
If there is no second mafia team (which I really doubt), then I think people voting for "reds" at this day are pretty cleared. Especially those voting for Cuthililius or Sprig. On the other hand, I was the only real alternative for lynching mafia at this moment. Therefore, of course Cuthilius voted for me. But also second vote is suspicious - I mean spaceman. I dont think first vote (Internet Flea) means anyting.
In other words:
probably townies: landlubber, KingMorgan, Takhisis, Jarrema, Autolycus, choxorn, Al Sips, outer Pigeon, Murska, Newyn
suspected to be mafia: spaceman
 
Day Three's votes are very interesting- 3 of the top 4 choices are confirmed scum, and with only a few hours left in the voting, they were all in a 4-way tie with Jarrema.

Here's some selected posts from the day:

(Quotes a bunch of things Bladescape says)

Well, something Bladescape said might have put him on the target. He pointed at Chuthilius, Pidgeon and Internet Flea.

I can see Chuthilius being town or mafia. I really can't tell atm.
I could go for a Pidgeon and Internet Flea now. I guess Internet Flea because it was the last person he pointed at.

Waffles on his teammate, but clearly prefers Pigeon and Internet Flea. I'll give mild townie points to Pigeon and IF for this. At the very least, the way Luiz said that, I don't think they're on a team with Luiz and Cuthilius.

I really am curious to hear from Winston. I'd like to hear some reasoning or another behind these accusations.

I could see Luizeu, and people are saying that Sprig is acting like his wolf alter ego.

On the wolf accusation topic, usually from what I've seen in other games, night kills tend to be after the villagers are accusing just villagers, but when they're starting to logically move towards the wolves. So often the targets have been talking about at least one wolf. Either that, or the scum team wants to create chaos, or it's just a really active villager that they think is eventually going to get to them.

For the time being, my vote is going onto Jarrema, as I outlined yesterday.

That having been said, I would like IF's PM to be posted here and for him to explain what on earth that was all about.

Calls out both of his teammates amidst a whole lot of nothing and then votes Jarrema.

I could see Autolycus being scum. Before I got into the whole analysis thing a year or so ago, I used to just play a low-lying quiet scum game. I usually got pretty far, too. Not really provide much of anything, just sort of go with the flow.

How do you feel about Luiz now, Winston?

Thinks Autolycus might be a lurkerscum, then asks Winston what he thinks about Luiz.

Stop bogarting my free pass Auto.

Luizeu - Got to be a good suspect, OMGUS on Winston, adds a "missing" BL to another's suspect list, analysis of dead guy votes (classic scum play to ally/divert suspicion) found the post very fishy, finding majiffy funny rather than distracting seems anti-town.

Al Sipsclar, Sprig, Xym are all very quiet.

DoubleA has posted alot but all meaningless, Winston did a copy pasta and a sentence of analysis how can Landlubber call him town for that? Autolycus is a filthy lurker and should be lynched. BSmith is suspiciously AWOL with BLogic.

The rest are probably townish.

At this point, Jarrema has 3 votes and a lot of other people are tied for 1. KingMorgan throws shade a ton of them but votes for Luizeu. Could be town, could be scum.

Tally.

3 Jarrema - IFlea, Space, Cuth
2 IFlea - Luizeu, Takhsis
2 Luizeu - Landlubber, KM
2 Sprig - Murska, Pigeon
2 Cuth - Auto, chox
Al Sips - Remake
BLog - Zack

Posts a tally. The 3 did scumbags are tied with IF in second place behind Jarrema, who has 3 votes on him.

I think that Luizeu's following of my by now inane accusations on Internet Flea is enough for me to vote for him.

I wonder why your wife wants you to sleep… :groucho:

There, there. :pat:

Takhisis realizes that IF was joking and puts Luizeu in a tie for the lead. I don't think Takhisis does this if he's a teammate of Luizeu's- he has an easy enough case voting for IF and I don't see them deciding to bus Luizeu in this spot, not while Jarrema still has the lead.

Of the current wagons I think I'll toss my vote against Sprig.
Reason I claimed was quite simple. Been basically vanilla now, claiming means that I either gain the time I need to analyse posts when I have time later without having to waste time defending myself early or the scum could waste a kill on me which saves me having to analyse later. I'm lazy when I can afford to be as anyone who's played abit with me knows so this is a win win situation for me as far as I'm concerned :p

Newyn ties Sprig with Jarrema and Luizeu.

Okay, I've finally caught up with the thread. Also realized few things. Man, playing is hard! One thing is to spend a half an hour a day skimming through the thread for fun, but actually reading, analyzing, judging every post is a lot of work. Especially when many of the posts return blank for me, some that feel scummy are later described as the most towny, and vice versa. Not sure when I'll be able to come up with "analysis deserving of town credit."

Anyhow, looking at the voting record, a couple of things I find interesting. remake20 is the last to vote on both lynches (not counting the tiebreaker). Don't know what it means, if anything, maybe a towny thing to go with the will of the people.
Murska and Cuthillius both voted for Snerk, then for Kennigit (Cuthillius later unvoted). So, I think I'm going to vote Cuthillius today.

Also in the spirit of being useful, if you have a cool but not deadly trick to share - I'm a quick learner, please don't hesitate to stop by tonight. We'll have fun.

Al puts Cuthilius in a 4-way tie for the lead.

Going by what he said at the end, I'm wondering if the way his ability works is that he copies every ability used on him? That would explain why he was able to track someone and copy their protection ability last night.

to all:
I was at conference, and unfortunately hardly able to participate. I will try to catch up and post in a few hours.
I also want to thank for all private messages I get (why am I so popular? 3 messages in one night?). Unfortunately, I can only answer one at time, so dont feel ignored if I did not answer you immediately

Jarrema says he's been gone and some other stuff. I get a slight scum read from this, seems like the sort of thing a scum would post.

I haven't thought about that. I guess I'll leave Blade's suspects for now and follow Internet Flea's lead. So, Takhisis. Come to think of it, SamSniped was my first vote on the previous day, it's only natural to continue on Tak and OMGUS, I guess.



1) OMGUS has its merits and it isn't less town than voting for people on random, as it is norm on D1.
2) I didn't know if people would have found it strange to edit the post or add another one. I chose the latter. People have already been scolded for editing a post on this thread.
3) well, others are going over everybody's posts now. I don't see why it is strange.
4) Surely, you didn't get the reference. :)(Don't call me, Shirley) [I guess you won't get this one either.] I was being sarcastic, maybe that is anti-town as well.



It's just terrible to get that from someone who posted 3 times tops on this game.



It is a flimsy excuse to bring the votes to a tie. Also, my reasoning didn't come from your interactions with IF, but bladescape suspicion. Go back and read my vote, don't try to create a story.

Now this is interesting. There's a few hours left in the day and Luiz OMGUS'es Takhisis- despite the fact that Takhisis has no votes on him and he and 2 of his team-mates are tied for first. He could attempt to save them all by voting Jarrema, or he could attempt to gain some townie cred by bussing Cuthilius or Sprig, but he seems to have just accepted that one of them is going to die and goes off to vote for someone else. He might have just assumed that Jarrema would show up again before the end of the day and vote one of them and that Sprig was AWOL, but it still seems odd to me.

thank you for your PSA to the new players so they don't lynch me for my VC-regardless behavior

you vocalized all my internal thoughts here at 3am what's going on

His apparently claim of one-shot BP sounds kinda townie to me (which makes a hell of a lot more sense than a doc saving him, I thought he was a little scummy yesterday). I don't fully understand what he was saying though. Wonder why he would admit that - you'd think whoever attacked him would want to do so again. I don't really see why he would have reason to lie about this, cause it's much safer to claim permaBP and hope whoever attacked doesn't make another go of it.

This way I guess he's claiming he's useless now though so I guess we'll see what happens in a day or so.

I thought Cuthillius was scummy yesterday but his reactions today haven't been what I expected. I'll get more into it soonish. Still don't know what to think of Murska.

Someone protect this man.

Another interesting post- Double A posts saying a whole lot of things but doesn't vote for anyone. I don't think there's any way Double A abstains from voting if he's a revenge seeker in this spot- maybe as a member of another anti-town faction, but there's no way he'd do absolutely nothing while all three of his teammates were in such danger.

After reading the thread and nicely done analyses (I dont have neither energy, time nor taklent to do similar myself) I found Luizeu most scummy. I also dont like his/her answer to accusations.

Jarrema puts Luizeu in the lead with a vote with little reasoning. Seems to be only attempting to save himself.
 
Spaceman's a good choice in my book. Remake seems too honest about his confusion to be scum, and AA still seems more active than scum usually are, and spaceman's had one of the most scum-averse voting patterns of any living player.
 
So, I have two theories, both of which are some degree of insane.

The first is, like others have suggested, that spaceman is a revenge seeker- him voting with Cuthilius on Day Three really doesn't look good for him. It would also explain why Cuthilius knew Jarrema's role from his "scan" that was actually spaceman's. I don't get why Cuthilius would claim to be responsible for something his teammate did when he knew that would link them and might make them both look worse if something implicated one of them.

The other is that Jarrema is a revenge seeker, which would also explain how Cuthilius knew Jarrema's role, and either knew somehow about spaceman's scan with some sort of scum ability or spaceman told one of the scum about in private (did you tell anyone? Jarrema, maybe, after you scanned him?), and spaceman's scan can't see through cover roles. It's a little shady that a cover role would be just a vanillager, but maybe not.

As to the day three votes, it was a four-way tie between all four revenge seekers, and Luizeu decided to take the fall, randomvote Takhisis, and wait for Jarrema to show up and lynch him.

Looking at some of Jarrema's posts since Day Three:

I will just say that me breaking tie is... not unexpected.
Why I chosen Luizeu? Because he seemed most scummy to me. Why next person voted for him?
I dont know. I find this scummy - like wanting to seal the deal. Maybe trying to save scum-buddy hiding among other tied persons?

A whole lot of nothing in this post, throws shade at Xym.

It is very weak argument. Our late leader was town member, after all, therefore he did not have any significant secret knowledge.
I will say that arguments against you are stronger, Al Sipsclar

Defends Cuthilius while voting for his accuser- Cuthilius joins him in accusing Al a bit later (though Cuthilius doesn't vote for Al)

I can confirm that I am vanilla town member

Not much to say here.

I believe Landlubber to be town. On the other hand, Takhisis acts suspiciously.

Wow. Such effort. Many vote. Very reasoning.

thats only my beliefs. Feelings, if you want.
In fact, after re-skimming game thread, I think that Takhisis is town too.
Spaceman has not voted for Luizeu nor Cuthilus day 3. why?

Jarrema criticizes spaceman for not voting for Luizeu and Cuthilius, when Jarrema didn't vote for Cuthilius either and voted for Luizeu out of little more than self-preservation. This post rings major scumbells to me.

I think that votes from this day are crutial.
If there is no second mafia team (which I really doubt), then I think people voting for "reds" at this day are pretty cleared. Especially those voting for Cuthililius or Sprig. On the other hand, I was the only real alternative for lynching mafia at this moment. Therefore, of course Cuthilius voted for me. But also second vote is suspicious - I mean spaceman. I dont think first vote (Internet Flea) means anyting.
In other words:
probably townies: landlubber, KingMorgan, Takhisis, Jarrema, Autolycus, choxorn, Al Sips, outer Pigeon, Murska, Newyn
suspected to be mafia: spaceman

Jarrema again forgets that he's already voted for someone and votes for them a second time.

Conclusion: Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if spaceman and Jarrema are both scum, but on two different teams.

I'll vote for Jarrema for now, but I'll switch to spaceman if it's between him, remake, and Double A, he's clearly the best lynch out of those three.
 
Visor, do you have any replacements lined up? I'm in so much pain and sleeping so often that I think it's seriously hampering my ability to play. I can still tough it out to the next day phase, especially because I have a stronger antibiotic now, but I don't know when I'll be able to properly play again.
 
Jarrema puts Luizeu in the lead with a vote with little reasoning. Seems to be only attempting to save himself.
Saving myself was my prime movive, I agree. I picked most scummy looking person from the ones who had some votes on them. I will not do this if I was scum - there is no sense in sacrificing team member in this way to save oneself
 
Tally:

3 Space (Jarrema, Al sips, landlubber)
3 AA (Takh, Space, Auto)
3 Al (Remake, Newyn, Internet Flea)
1 Remake (Pigeon)
1 Jarrema (choxorn)

KingMorgan, Winston Hughes, BSmith, Murska, and Double A all haven't voted. Double A requested a replacement, says he's too sick to play.
 
Jarrema again forgets that he's already voted for someone and votes for them a second time.
No, I did not forget. I just wanted to stress it - I really do not understand why people are not voting spaceman.
Conclusion: Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if spaceman and Jarrema are both scum, but on two different teams.
Do you really think that there are two scum teams?
 
Saving myself was my prime movive, I agree. I picked most scummy looking person from the ones who had some votes on them. I will not do this if I was scum - there is no sense in sacrificing team member in this way to save oneself

Why? If you're on a scum team with Luizeu, Cuthilius, and Sprig, one of you four is guaranteed to die on Day Three- it's just up to you guys to decide which one. I will say that Cuthilius going after you makes you look good, but that could just be distancing.

And it's entirely possible you're anti-townie, but not a teammate of any of those three, in which case you voting for Luizeu means jack diddly squat, because you voted him just to save yourself. Yes, you voted for a mafia, but all three of the people you were tied with were mafia- you couldn't have not voted for a mafia in that situation. You literally had a 100% chance of being right no matter who you picked.

And you're not saying anything about how you attacked Al in defense of Cuthilius, went after spaceman for his vote choices when yours are similarly suspect, and voted for spaceman twice for no particular reason.

Come on, Jarrema, I know you can put more effort into this than that.
 
Do you really think that there are two scum teams?

I'm not certain, but in a game this size, I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia aren't the only bad guys out there, and we at the very least know that the Inquisitor doesn't have our best interests in mind.

Do you really think that the revenge seekers are the only people we have to lynch?
 
After reading the recent pots I'm going to unvote: Double A and go for Jarrema. When was the last time on this forum a game this size didn't have multiple scum teams, and he's been around long enough to know that.
 
I think there's two things that really need to be pointed out:

1: In a game this size, a second scumteam is nearly inevitable. The second kill necessitates that, unless you think we have some kind of irrational and hyperactive vigilante

2: The wagon on me only kicked off AFTER I claimed cop publically. There was a lot of day before that, and a lot of discussion, but almost no votes on me. Scum certainly have an incentive to get the town to lynch a claimed cop
 
I'd rather lynch Al Sipsclar for pushing to lynch a claimed cop immediately but I'd be prepared to switch to Jaremma.

1: In a game this size, a second scumteam is nearly inevitable. The second kill necessitates that, unless you think we have some kind of irrational and hyperactive vigilante

Could also be a single scum side plus an SK but 2 scum sides is probably more likely.
 
Tally:

3 Space (Jarrema, Al sips, landlubber)
3 AA (Takh, Space, Auto)
3 Al (Remake, Newyn, Internet Flea)
1 Remake (Pigeon)
1 Jarrema (choxorn)

KingMorgan, Winston Hughes, BSmith, Murska, and Double A all haven't voted. Double A requested a replacement, says he's too sick to play.

Given this, and given Double A's potential replacement, I'm going to

unvote: vote: Al Sipsclar
 
The thing with Jarrema is that he was voting me BEFORE I claimed, so I find him more townish than everyone who decided that I was extremely scummy AFTER I claimed a town power role. His repeated denial of the existance of a second scum team gives me pause though.

Jarrema, what's your explanation for the second kill?
 
spaceman98 makes the most sense to me. I'd be rather surprised if we had 4 wagons all on members of the revenge seekers, if not for no other reason then because one would expect them to push even one counterwagon themselves.
 
4 Space (Jarrema, Al sips, landlubber, Murska)
4 Al (Remake, Newyn, Internet Flea, Space)
2 Jarrema (choxorn, Auto)
1 Remake (Pigeon)
1 AA (Takh)
 
1 Remake (Pigeon)
1 AA (Takh)
4 Space (Jarrema, Al Sips, land, Murska)
4 Al (Remake, Newyn, Internet, space)
2 Jarrema (chox, auto)
 
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