Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Double A]

I really am curious to hear from Winston. I'd like to hear some reasoning or another behind these accusations.

I could see Luizeu, and people are saying that Sprig is acting like his wolf alter ego.

On the wolf accusation topic, usually from what I've seen in other games, night kills tend to be after the villagers are accusing just villagers, but when they're starting to logically move towards the wolves. So often the targets have been talking about at least one wolf. Either that, or the scum team wants to create chaos, or it's just a really active villager that they think is eventually going to get to them.

For the time being, my vote is going onto Jarrema, as I outlined yesterday.

That having been said, I would like IF's PM to be posted here and for him to explain what on earth that was all about.

Checked back at 424 because remake brought it up. Forgot about this, even though it's the post that keyed me onto Sprig

The reason for that is because I don't think he ever brought the two of them up again, and surely not in the same sentence. I doubt Cuth put all his eggs in one basket, but I still think it's worth looking at anyone Cuth said next to nothing to.

 

[Double A]

If your night ability is gone, then can you tell us what it was? I'm curious if anyone can repeat this test.

Also, someone mentioned losing their ability earlier. Does anyone remember who it was?

Didn't remake claim that early in the game?

 

[spaceman98]

Ah yes found it. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13952323#post13952323

 

[Takhisis]

For what it's worth, I was gonna advocate lynching Sprig, but he ded. He's the only player Cuth never said a thing to or about. I think spaceman and choxorn were next-last, only brought up during the whole "hey guys I'll talk to Zack or Murska which one." I believe he also said very little to choxorn and spaceman (but I'm pretty sure they're town), and twoof the few players he didn't accuse were King Morgan and Landlubber. He briefly called out Majiffy for distracting the town but he also helped further that.

Cuthilius might just have been speaking more to/about people he already knew.

And Majiffy doesn't count.

I'll fish out the posts later if you tell me to but I don't have the time to look at his 60 sodding posts again.

‘Later’? OK, do so. ‘I'll totally back up my allegations but not now’ is what your post means.

Al has basically claimed polymorph, if they are what I think they are. What's Flea done?

Snake threats… the Polymorph becomes a snake. Read the backstory. It's on TV Tropes, man!

Wait, hold on Tak. Me and Pizza just got out of a Visor game on another forum where one player was third party. He could scan for power roles and his goal was seeing all the power roles dead.

Of course, the mafia on D1 was a guy who could forcibly convert two players, so I don't know if that's the best metric to go by, but it's still worth bringing up that Visor has recently messed around with a third party.

Clearly, detecting sarcasm is your forte.

If your night ability is gone, then can you tell us what it was? I'm curious if anyone can repeat this test.

Oh, how delightful. No, I'm not telling the scum which role they took away.

Didn't remake claim that early in the game?

Did he?

 

[Takhisis]

I got ninja'd! Interesting post by remake. Maybe someone out there is performing such attacks…? But my ability wasn't a limited-use one, which remake20 implied about his.

 

[Al Sipsclar]

I was protected last night. I confirmed this with my ability, and the protector claimed to me. I also tracked the protector to me last night, so I'm fairly confident of his/her identity.

Next night, I'm going to reciprocate and protect the protector. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship...

 

[Al Sipsclar]

Spoiler :

I'm trying to look at Cuth's posts and I notice that in #424 he calls out two of his scum partners. He also mentions distancing on multiple occasions, so he's obviously familiar with the technique. My guess is that he's called out his other partner(s) (if they exist) at some point.

Also, landlubber did call out both Lui and Cuth is one post so he's either a scum hunting machine, or their partner. I'd lean toward the latter, but that's like the only piece against him.

No vote for now.

For what it's worth, I was gonna advocate lynching Sprig, but he ded. He's the only player Cuth never said a thing to or about. I think spaceman and choxorn were next-last, only brought up during the whole "hey guys I'll talk to Zack or Murska which one." I believe he also said very little to choxorn and spaceman (but I'm pretty sure they're town), and twoof the few players he didn't accuse were King Morgan and Landlubber. He briefly called out Majiffy for distracting the town but he also helped further that.

I'll fish out the posts later if you tell me to but I don't have the time to look at his 60 sodding posts again.


Al has basically claimed polymorph, if they are what I think they are. What's Flea done?

I wanted to do a similar analysis. Cuthillius made quite a few posts, but seems to have actively avoiding to mention or engage his teammates. Other people he AND his teammates avoided:

• choxorn
  + voted for Cuth D3 and first to vote him D4. Too persistent for bussing or distancing.
• KingMorgan, mentioned by Double A, was suspected by Cuth in post #550. Voted for Luizeu D3, mentions Sprig in post #449. Voted Newyn D4 before switching to Cuth. So, not actively avoiding.
  
• landlubber, mentioned by remake20 and Double A, actually was supported by Cuth in posts #324 and #552. landlubber voted for Luizeu D3 and kinda supported Cuth in post 548 before switching to vote him. Voted for remake20 D4 and D5.
  
• Newyn
  - claimed mason with a dead townie. Voted Sprig D3 - safe distancing? Didn't vote D4.
  
• remake20
  - also avoided talking to or about Cuth/Luizeu/Sprig. Follows spaceman's vote for Jarrema. Claiming to lose an ability - something we can't verify and a convenient cover for night kills.
  
• spaceman98
  - only questions Cuth in post #223. Then gets dead set on Jarrema. Busses Cuth on D4 before Sprig.

So I'm fine with lynching either remake20 or spaceman98. I'd like to hear more from Newyn.

 

[Newyn]

I was protected last night. I confirmed this with my ability, and the protector claimed to me. I also tracked the protector to me last night, so I'm fairly confident of his/her identity.

Next night, I'm going to reciprocate and protect the protector. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship...

So you're claiming you know what ability targets you, can track, can protect and don't seem at all worried about someone potentially stealing or voiding your ability despite multiple different sources saying such abilities exist.

Are you some kind of God Al Sipsclar?

 

[Jarrema]

I believe Landlubber to be town. On the other hand, Takhisis acts suspiciously.

 

[Double A]

Cuthilius might just have been speaking more to/about people he already knew.

And Majiffy doesn't count.

I don't think he knows much about Jarrema.

‘Later’? OK, do so. ‘I'll totally back up my allegations but not now’ is what your post means.

I went to bed like 20 minutes after my last post last night.

Snake threats… the Polymorph becomes a snake. Read the backstory. It's on TV Tropes, man!

The only reason I haven't is because Red Dwarf is on my media bucket list, and I don't want to spoil good episodes.

Clearly, detecting sarcasm is your forte.

especially when I have the worst case of strep throat I have ever seen, and I get it about twice a year

So you're claiming you know what ability targets you, can track, can protect and don't seem at all worried about someone potentially stealing or voiding your ability despite multiple different sources saying such abilities exist.

Are you some kind of God Al Sipsclar?

Why would he be worried? He can apparently copy abilities, and now he's copied protection. There's basically no reason for him and his doc buddy to not protect each other from NKs for the rest of the game.

Al, can you copy a kill if you're being protected?

Did he?

It seems he did.

I believe Landlubber to be town. On the other hand, Takhisis acts suspiciously.

Why? How?
I'm somewhat inclined to think the opposite of what you've just said, Jarrema.

 

[Pouter Pigeon]

Haven't we had a couple claims from a couple different sources that Jarrema is a vanilla townie?

 

[Jarrema]

I'm somewhat inclined to think the opposite of what you've just said, Jarrema.

thats only my beliefs. Feelings, if you want.
In fact, after re-skimming game thread, I think that Takhisis is town too.
Spaceman has not voted for Luizeu nor Cuthilus day 3. why?

 

[Double A]

Haven't we had a couple claims from a couple different sources that Jarrema is a vanilla townie?

Oh riiiiight. Who said that? Actually, imma just go reread the thread.
unvote: Jarrema

thats only my beliefs. Feelings, if you want.
In fact, after re-skimming game thread, I think that Takhisis is town too.
Spaceman has not voted for Luizeu nor Cuthilus day 3. why?

You're definitely right about spaceman. Cuth had little interaction with him I believe.

 

[Al Sipsclar]

So you're claiming you know what ability targets you, can track, can protect and don't seem at all worried about someone potentially stealing or voiding your ability despite multiple different sources saying such abilities exist.

Are you some kind of God Al Sipsclar?

Actually, very close. You should always be prepared to meet me.

What do you think of other lynch candidates?

 

[spaceman98]

Tally:

remake20: 3 (PouterPidgeon, landlubber, Al Sipsclar)
landlubber: 1 (InternetFlea)
Takhisis: 1 (Spaceman98)
Double A: 1 (Takhisis)
Al Sipsclar: 1 (Newyn)
Spaceman98: 1 (Jarrema)


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Ok, that's a lot of people voting remake. The thing is, he's both likely town, and definately has a lot of explaining to do.

I suppose so should I:

I am Irene Eddington, town-sided role and allignment cop

When I first saw my (very powerful) role, I looked it up, and saw that my character is known for being error-prone in the show, so I assumed I was insane. Nonetheless, I scanned Backwards Logic N1, scanning him as Ace Rimmer, Jack of All Trades

I'm keeping my N2 scan secret, as that's a still-living town power role

N3 I finally got around to scanning Jarrema. At the same time, BL's death confirmed that my scan was actually valid (though I'm not sure if it pierces cover roles). At the start of D4, I got no result PM, so I initially assumed that Jarrema had somehow messed with my scan, a likely scum power. Hence I kept going after Jarrema, despite indications that out of the two people who could have been Luiz's partner, Cuth was the likely one. Then I realized that Visor might simply have forgotten to send me my result, and PMed him. Shortly thereafter Visor got back to me, and told me that Jarrema was an innocent vanilla villager Talia Garret (I have no idea what was going on with Cuthillius. Perhaps he had a 1-shot version of my role, and also decided to use it on Jarrema, since Jar was a high-profile target on D3.

N4 I scan Murska. Except instead, my scan hits remake. My role-scan tells me that remakes own ability redirected me to him. My allignment scan tells me remake is town.

So:

1: He protects Murska, one of the scummiest people in the thread

2: He's town, assuming my scan pierces cover roles

3: He lied before when he said his abillity had been cancled.

4: He's been following me almost uncannily throughout the thread so far (not sure what to make of that)

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Make of that what you will. Remake needs to explain himself, though I doubt that he's scum because of my scan. Then again, the scan could be fallible


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Tak's replies to me have been relatively satisfactory so far. His tunneling on Flea irks me, but I do the same thing. I'll let him off for now.

I think I'll unvote: vote: Double A

What's your take on last night and early today? What do you know/don't know about the presence of some kind of cult? You've posted a lot in thread, mostly in long, trivial exchanges with Tak

We should probably finish off the revengy one to get rid of their kill first, yknow? Plus we have actual information about them right now.

this post also pings me because it feels like what a member of a second scumteam or cult would post trying to steer the town away from hunting them.

 

[landlubber]

Well then, my vote goes off remake. I'd like to hear more from Autolycus and Newyn. Dodginess is the MO of the scum this game, and these two have been too quiet.

 

[landlubber]

I am, however, greatly interested in hearing remake's explanation as to why spaceman's order was altered.

 

[remake20]

Well, I am Yvonne McGruder and the only ability that I've ever had (and known about) is a one-use abduct which is now gone. I've defended Murksa? I haven't been straight copying you, Space, but I will admit I have coincidentally had some similarities.

 

[remake20]

Oh, I see what you mean by defend Murksa and yeah, I have no idea. I've never seen the show, but it seems I was a sexual liaison of Arnold Rimmer. Was there any alter egos or evil doppelgangers of Rimmer that may redirect to me? Or perhaps it's Murksa who has some sort of bus.

 

[spaceman98]

Well, I am Yvonne McGruder and the only ability that I've ever had (and known about) is a one-use abduct which is now gone. I've defended Murksa? I haven't been straight copying you, Space, but I will admit I have coincidentally had some similarities.

err sorry that was unclear wording on my part:

thanks to your ability, my scan redirected from Murska to you, that's what I meant by defended.