Referendum on Scottish Independence

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Once, half of Europe was Celtish. Now, half of the world is Anglo-Saxonish and the other one is a protectorate. Celts should take their freedom while they can so that the other nations could follow!

 

[Traitorfish]

A Northern European Azerbaijan, great, just what we need.

I'm afraid I don't follow.

 

[Algeroth]

 

[Kyriakos]

I'm afraid I don't follow.

England is your turkey

 

[Alassius]

But if it puts a bit of distance between me and Westminster, a wretched hive of scum and villainy by any measure, I'm all for it.

But if Scotland leaves with all those Labour MPs, you'll damn England to be ruled by Tories forever!

(Yes I'm serious about this, I'd be a swing voter, not Tory, if I have a vote.)

 

[Traitorfish]

But if Scotland leaves with all those Labour MPs, you'll damn England to be ruled by Tories forever!

(Yes I'm serious about this, I'd be a swing voter, not Tory, if I have a vote.)

I fully support the admission of Northern England, Wales and Northern Ireland into the Greater Caledonian Federation.

 

[LegionSteve]

But if Scotland leaves with all those Labour MPs, you'll damn England to be ruled by Tories forever!

(Yes I'm serious about this, I'd be a swing voter, not Tory, if I have a vote.)

I thought so too but Quackers pointed out (page 2?) that it's closer than you'd think. A labour + somebody else coalition might still get in.

I fully support the admission of Northern England, Wales and Northern Ireland into the Greater Caledonian Federation.

I for one welcome our new Scottish overlords.

 

[Traitorfish]

If Labour was willing or capable of appealing to non-voters, who are overwhelmingly in their socioeconomic catchment, they could make good the losses easily enough. But they'd prefer to chase a right-wing middle class, and as long as the current electoral system prevails, there's no real way of punishing them for that.

 

[Yeekim]

Breaking up after peacefully coexisting for 300 years for no clearly discernible reason ... uh, I really do support peoples' right to self-determination*, but this seems just silly from outside. So, no.

*is that how one would call it?

 

[bhsup]

Breaking up after peacefully coexisting for 300 years for no clearly discernible reason ... uh, I really do support peoples' right to self-determination*, but this seems just silly from outside. So, no.

*is that how one would call it?

Sure, that's the boring way to describe it. I prefer this I've bolded the part that I am not sure Scotland has successfully done yet.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

 

[Traitorfish]

Breaking up after peacefully coexisting for 300 years for no clearly discernible reason ... uh, I really do support peoples' right to self-determination*, but this seems just silly from outside. So, no.

There are plenty of arguments in favour of independence, and plenty being made, even most of its opponents concede that, so I don't think it's fair to say "no clearly discernible reason". All you can really say is that there is no one reason, no single grievance that translates easily into a slogan, but it's hardly that or nothing.

Sure, that's the boring way to describe it. I prefer this I've bolded the part that I am not sure Scotland has successfully done yet.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

The left has, albeit a bit vaguely, even if the mainstream nats haven't.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I fully support the admission of Northern England, Wales and Northern Ireland into the Greater Caledonian Federation.

There was an article in the Guardian a few months ago:

Please, Scotland, vote Yes and take us northerners with you

 

[Quackers]

Yup, there are plenty of English lefties who are in love with the Salmon.
I'm happy to see them leave (Traitorfish has pretty much left) but they can't take the North with them.

 

[really]

Breaking up after peacefully coexisting for 300 years for no clearly discernible reason ... uh, I really do support peoples' right to self-determination*, but this seems just silly from outside. So, no.

*is that how one would call it?

Looking at it from a different perspective perhaps the UK as an entity has had its day?

The empire is gone so there is no need for the trappings of it (I'm thinking of aircraft carriers, fighter jets and nuclear weapons as big obvious expensive examples), most law comes from Europe - why filter legislation and decisions through London?

Maybe they've realised they have grown apart and now that the kids are grown up and have moved out there's no reason to stay together?

 

[Alassius]

I fully support the admission of Northern England, Wales and Northern Ireland into the Greater Caledonian Federation.

What happened to Workers of the World?

I thought so too but Quackers pointed out (page 2?) that it's closer than you'd think. A labour + somebody else coalition might still get in.

Possible but less likely. That's enough to put me off.

Looking at it from a different perspective perhaps the UK as an entity has had its day?

The empire is gone so there is no need for the trappings of it (I'm thinking of aircraft carriers, fighter jets and nuclear weapons as big obvious expensive examples), most law comes from Europe - why filter legislation and decisions through London?

Maybe they've realised they have grown apart and now that the kids are grown up and have moved out there's no reason to stay together?

Most of the important things - economic policies are still done at national level, especially since Britain keeps the pound. And then there is the size of your bargaining power.

 

[Traitorfish]

What happened to Workers of the World?

I fully support the admission of everyone, everywhere, into the Greater Caledonian Federation.

 

[bhsup]

So then if we kick Kansas out, you'll take them? Think hard...

 

[Alassius]

I fully support the admission of everyone, everywhere, into the Greater Caledonian Federation.

Well, definitely take China. You can leave London alone for a while...

 

[Traitorfish]

My plan assumes that London is sucked into a vortex at some point in the next twelve to eighteenth months.

 

[Viregel]

I'm all for a union with Scandinavia, but that's never going to happen.

Anyway, I'm opposed to Scottish independence as... well, I guess that I just like the idea of unity more. Could England treat us better? Probably. If they did, then I would have no problem at all with staying, while at the moment, I'm slightly split on the issue. Something I did find hilarious though was with Scottish politicians only making up 9% of Westminster's total - Scotland only has 8.4% of the UK's population, so the government are being pretty generous.