Referendum on Scottish Independence

[Manfred Belheim]

Bit of a mess in the kind of German area there, though.

And where's Portugal....

 

[Pangur Bán]

And where's Portugal....

See Union between Castile, Aragon and Portugal.

 

[MacAttack]

So American Independence is also just a blip on the British History radar? I mean, not that its a big deal giving birth to an eventual superpower or anything.

 

[Borachio]

All hail Hyypnotoaaaad.

I've spent the last 15 minutes looking at that picture.

Stop it! Just make it stop!

 

[bhsup]

I've spent the last 15 minutes looking at that picture.

Stop it! Just make it stop!

If you are not hearing the audio, it is not 100% effective, which is why you want to stop.


Link to video.

 

[GinandTonic]

When I did the Scottish one it was :
Part 1: 'know Britain and how great it is' (growth of democracy, etc)
Part 2: 'know thine enemy' (growth of nationalism in Germany and Italy)
Part 3: 'do not appease thine enemy, true evil' (UK foreign policy towards Italy and Germany).

After that it was learning about how daft communism is, and how all it produced was economic evil and bad dictators.

It was basically indoctrination. I'm sure it will be updated in a few years to tell teenagers how evil anti-globalization is, and how the demonic forces of Islam can only be stopped through abolition of civil liberties and replacement of democratic governments by oil execs.

Wow. By the end of the 80's it was the geometric opposite. What was life like for peasant in Saxon Briton? Awful. What was life like for a Romano-British peasant? Awful. What was it like to be a peasant under the Dane-law? Awful. What was it like to be a save in the triangular trade route? Even more awful.

There was literally never a single positive thing said about Brittan, with the exception of Boudicca who my history teacher had an inexplicable soft spot for.

 

[Oruc]

Wow. By the end of the 80's it was the geometric opposite. What was life like for peasant in Saxon Briton? Awful. What was life like for a Romano-British peasant? Awful. What was it like to be a peasant under the Dane-law? Awful. What was it like to be a save in the triangular trade route? Even more awful.

There was literally never a single positive thing said about Brittan, with the exception of Boudicca who my history teacher had an inexplicable soft spot for.

I learnt about the agricultural revolution, the slave trade, women working during the WWs, the build up to WW 1 and the Nazis. It almost killed my interest in history, the first three especially.

 

[Quackers]

Primary school: Romans. I don't remember anything else.
Secondary school: French Revolution, Atlantic Slave trade, USA 1919-1941, Causes of WW1 + 2, Battle of the Somme, Beginnings of the Cold War up to CMC.

Forgotten a few bits. Not much history about Britain.

 

[Tahuti]

Primary School: Romans, French Revolution, Medieval Ages, Germanic tribes, 80 year war, cold war
Secondary School: The same, but without Romans and Middle Ages, but plus the World Wars

 

[Takhisis]

many English retire to Scotland - cheaper houses, better elderly care etc. and they are almost bound to vote No.

That can be fixed.

Occitania. Seriously?

Possible Balkanisation of Europe surely doesn't necessarily translate into probable Balkanisation, even if Scotland had voted "yes".

But terror-mongering is what won the election, in part, so why not keep at it just to make a point in case there's a new attempt in a few years?

Yet if Scotland had voted for independence, next would have been Catalonia, then who? The Basques, Corsica, Sardinia, Brittany, Wales, Northern Ireland, Bavaria? Why wouldn't there have been a cascade?

Let's rephrase. Why would there have been one at all?

Catalonia may (almost certainly will) still pursue independence, but an independent Scotland would have given them a boost, that's not unreasonable to suppose.

Maybe. Just maybe.

Welcome to the Holy Roman Empire. May I introduce you to my 39 cousins?

That sounds like a line out of Humon Comics.

 

[gay_Aleks]

That sounds like a line out of Humon Comics.

That would mean that Austria would be Big Brother, who keeps on insisting he isn't German, and Prussia being adopted but trying some sneaky stuff.

And Ulm. Because glory.

 

[Commodore]

A united humanity also means it has a single point of failure.

I think you assume I wish to see a centralized world government when I talk of unification, which is not what I mean at all. I am all for a sort of federalized global government. That way individual regions still maintain a decent level of autonomy, but they would ultimately be beholden to a higher authority that has the ability to mobilize and direct the resources of the entire planet for things that require such mobilization (i.e. space exploration, environmental protection, regulation of global trade, etc.).

Eliminating fully independent and separate nation-states would also make travel much easier and efficient since there would be uniform standards instead of each nation having their own customs and border security procedures. Making global travel easier would have vast economic benefits since people would be no longer restricted in where they can work by their citizenship.

 

[Traitorfish]

"UK High School Curriculum" no longer exists. Given it's devolved to Scotland, it focuses far more on Scottish history than anything else. The first topic is the Wars of Independence, followed by a bunch more topics and their "impact on Scotland", while there were far more relevant contenders in there. It really doesn't like to focus on parts where Scotland was doing particularly badly.

Is that the case? My school mostly taught general British, European or American history. There was an occasional Scottish emphasis, but nothing dramatic. My Higher history class covered the British labour movement, the American civil rights movement and the "road to the Second World War"; nothing specifically Scottish about any of it. This was eight years ago, granted, and I suppose a lot might have changed in the mean time, but last I checked my younger sister was studying the American Civil Rights movement as well, so...

So American Independence is also just a blip on the British History radar? I mean, not that its a big deal giving birth to an eventual superpower or anything.

I take it that American high schools teach a lot of Russian and Chinese history?

 

[bhsup]

But they're not our mummy!

 

[Commodore]

I take it that American high schools teach a lot of Russian and Chinese history?

Not as part of the core curriculum, but my high school did have more options for history classes as electives if one was so inclined to take them.

 

[Arwon]

But they're not our mummy!

So? We learned barely any British history in High School. Stuff I remember: Roman empire, ancient Egypt, WW1, the Irish Troubles, the rise of Nazism through to the start of the Cold War, Australia in WW2, Arab-Israeli conflict through to the very moment of our exam.

 

[Rashiminos]

So, how soon will we see yet another attempt at a Independence Referendum from Scotland?

Probably should wade through the accusations of vote-rigging before attempting a clear picture of that question.

 

[gay_Aleks]

But they're not our mummy!

How I Met Your Mother: The English Version.

First season would be the Hundred Years War. Tune in for more.

 

[Tahuti]

I think you assume I wish to see a centralized world government when I talk of unification, which is not what I mean at all. I am all for a sort of federalized global government. That way individual regions still maintain a decent level of autonomy, but they would ultimately be beholden to a higher authority that has the ability to mobilize and direct the resources of the entire planet for things that require such mobilization (i.e. space exploration, environmental protection, regulation of global trade, etc.).

We don't need a global authority. Every problem that has a global reach was to some extent a result of centralising governments.

Eliminating fully independent and separate nation-states would also make travel much easier and efficient since there would be uniform standards instead of each nation having their own customs and border security procedures. Making global travel easier would have vast economic benefits since people would be no longer restricted in where they can work by their citizenship.

Immigration laws and travel restrictions prevent the spread of diseases, terrorism and typical globalisation problems.

 

[gay_Aleks]

I don't think terrorism would be reduced. Think about it; if a terrorist wants to destroy your phallic-shaped skyscraper, closing the borders probably won't help all that much.