Religion Mod

[Virote_Considon]

Buddhism would be the only religion you need in the Far-East, because large parts of China, Japan and India have been/are Buddhist. The religion itself comes from India (like Hinduism). However, I'm not sure about Mongolia...

 

[Blue Monkey]

In game terms Civs where Buddhism historically had a strong influence were China, Japan, Korea, and the Mongols.
Hinduismersia (look into the history of Ghandara and the influence of indian philosophy on the Magi), Greece (Buddhism as well) via Alexander's sojourn. All of SE Asia had Brahmanic culture for quite a period of time. About 1/5 of the people alive today are Hindu. Look at it that way, rather than "one big country".

 

[Stazro]

First of all, i have to confess, i didnt look in the file yet.

I think the great problem of this concept is, it can cover only a snapshot of religions history, which could be a bit unsatisfying in an epic game. Two thousand years ago christianity and islam were not even thought of and the world was mostly populated by polytheistic religions. Should they ALL be represented by ONE flavor?
And to pick up this China-and-Communism-thing: As mentioned before China is communist only "a few turns" and even now there are many followers of different chinese religions and buddism.
And another point: You have Judaism in your list. Of course, it is a important religion - nowadays and in history - but, beside there are only about 15 mio jews, there is only one country which is mainly jewish and this takes no part in civ3 (if i didnt forgot it), so which country in civ is famously know for judaism?

My conclusion: I think, it is a good idea to use flavors for religions. But i fear in an epic game it would be insufficient. When my legions crush carthaginians i dont want any christians around (i think you know what i mean). Which leads to another question: are the romans famous for polytheism, because they were when they build up the empire or are they famous for christianity, for rome beeing the first state to adopt it?

So ill vote "UUUHHHH..." for now (!!), but perhaps do you have some ideas to diversify and change my mind

 

[Virote_Considon]

Rome= Roman Catholic.

Judehism is quite common in Eastern Europe in general (Which is also Orthadox Christian, IIRC), America (as a minority, again), and at first accepted by the Romans, when Christianity wasn't.

 

[Stazro]

Rome= Roman Catholic.

Judehism is quite common in Eastern Europe in general (Which is also Orthadox Christian, IIRC), America (as a minority, again), and at first accepted by the Romans, when Christianity wasn't.

Perhaps one could make religions possible without a flavor, which, of course would cause the problem that you couldnt hold someciv of research the techs.
But: as a flavor for a civ judaism makes no sense, because everywhere outside of israel (which is not available in civ) they are in a minority and, for there can only be one religion per civ, the more important religion should be decisive.
For Buddhism - ok, they are 500 million, but from numbers Judaism is smaller than Taoists (~200 mio), Konfuzianists (~100 mio) or even Sikhs (~23 mio).

 

[Virote_Considon]

I'm sure Sikhism is the 6th largest current religion...

 

[Tathlum]

Couldn't you do religion as Governments. And the temples and such only work when your a Christian government, or Tauist etc. That way you wouldnt be limited by flavours and switching religions would make a lot of people unhappy. If you wanted to you could make certain civs like/dislike certain religions etc.

 

[Stazro]

I'm sure Sikhism is the 6th largest current religion...

That depends on how you count...
You have to:
- put all christians together
- put all traditional chinese together (like mentioned taoism and konfuzianism)
- put indigenous and african together
- let unconfessionals aside
Then they are the 6th largest current religion, but that doesnt make them more than 23 million.

Back to topic:

Which civ would you give the flavor Judaism?

 

[Plotinus]

Which leads to another question: are the romans famous for polytheism, because they were when they build up the empire or are they famous for christianity, for rome beeing the first state to adopt it?

Actually, Osrhoene was the first officially Christian state, beating Rome by about 250 years. But I doubt there are many games of Civ with Osrhoene in!

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Rome= Roman Catholic.

Judehism is quite common in Eastern Europe in general (Which is also Orthadox Christian, IIRC), America (as a minority, again), and at first accepted by the Romans, when Christianity wasn't.

Rly ? Where ? They are only 0,01% of the population over here ... i never met any.
Buddhism is a must have, if you ask me. It's the religion that the far-eastern civs have in common.

Neo-pagans are cool. So your gf is a wiccan Plot ?
In Romania you have to go to the countryside to get a taste of the christianized ancestral ("pagan") traditions. That's what makes ch-orthodoxy so strong here ... timeless traditions got christianised (more or less) so christian orthodoxy got lots of traits from the traditions. Traits like "as it was and as it will be, because that's how it is."

 

[Virote_Considon]

Um... in places like Russia, I think...

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Couldn't you do religion as Governments. And the temples and such only work when your a Christian government, or Tauist etc. That way you wouldnt be limited by flavours and switching religions would make a lot of people unhappy. If you wanted to you could make certain civs like/dislike certain religions etc.

I originally toyed with this, and it worker quite well.

Also, the China Communist Conection is just because China has Mao as a leader.

 

[Stazro]

Is it possible to make a building function under several governments instead of one? Then you could change from "Christian Republic" to "Christian Democracy" without losing your churches, but still have the choice to switch from "Shintoist Monarchy" to "Buddhist Monarchy" or something, changing only the Religion.
If this can be done, it would enlarge the variety and solve some problems but not the only-seven-flavors-thing to "force" the ai a special way.

 

[Plotinus]

That's not possible, unfortunately.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

That would be really handy if it was though...

 

[Stalin5]

Narrow down christianity to one religion,it's unfair,they all still have the same core beliefs.Atheism should come late in the game,like with the Theory Of Evolution wonder,It would not give the same bonuses as other religions BUT because of the fact that atheism promotes science it should give a research bonus and extra health because many Evangelical's and extreme Catholic's oppose that use of things like stem cell research and condoms which could save MILLIONS of lives.

 

[Plotinus]

Yes, but early modern science was supported by Christianity, which also provided free education for everyone in the Middle Ages, so it would all cancel out anyway...

 

[Lord Malbeth]

stem cell research and condoms

I will give you that the Catholic religion thinks Condoms are a no-no, especially with non-married parties, but how do condoms save lives?

And stem-cell research isn't opposed by the Church, just stem-cells from aborted feteces.

And also, the Theory of Evolution isn't an atheist idea (Even though it was developed by an atheist). Me and some of my friends all believe in it, and we're religious.

Anyway, thanks for giving me pointers though.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

I will give you that the Catholic religion thinks Condoms are a no-no, especially with non-married parties, but how do condoms save lives?

Hey, does anyone know if the Orthodox Church are agains condoms ? If they are they sure aren't making a fuss about it. I never heard about it.
All the religion teacher we had are for the use of condoms; but then again we had cool religion teachers "What? You actually believe everything that's said in the Bible." That always cracks me up. "Do what you want, have fun; just don't do anything you'll regret later. God is more laidback than that."
And the priests that come every christmas to bless(?) smthing are always funny.
Dad: "Father, would you like smthing to drink for the song to go smoothley ?"
Priest: "No thank you, i already had 2 from the neighbours, and i barely started my day."

And also, the Theory of Evolution isn't an atheist idea (Even though it was developed by an atheist). Me and some of my friends all believe in it, and we're religious.

Yea, me too.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Hey, does anyone know if the Orthodox Church are agains condoms ? If they are they sure aren't making a fuss about it. I never heard about it.

I bet they don't make that big of a deal; as long as you're responsible.