RFC Classical World

[srpt]

the Arabs not spawning more likely is due to some other unrelated python tripping up.

I like the idea of provincial capitals. maybe not making cores but helping stability and maintenance.

I think I fixed that event so the rewards are applicable to this mod. I will check.

EDIT:

svn 236

took out my tester code which automatically did the Christian split in 333AD

EDIT2:

svn 237

minor python fixes

 

[ales_]

the end date of the mod is now 880BC to make it a round 1200 years.

the Nubians, Sabeans and Tamils now all spawn in 320BC

Some civs spawn after the end of the mod?

 

[srpt]

oops. that should be 880AD

 

[Brew]

Hello srpt, so glad you are back - this has become my favorite mod so I'm excited about further developments.

I downloaded the svn and I think the food nerf is just too much. I was skeptical when you decreased the farm bonus to +1 food, but the additional food for tiles bordering the city really changed the dynamic (especially with limitations on cottage building) and I loved it. However this change seems like it will cripple growth. Perhaps I don't fully understand how it is meant to work, and perhaps there is a bug, but I did a Tang start and, for example, the farm just west of Chang'an yields 2 food, while the cottage tiles (in other cities) yield just 1. It seems like it will take an eternity to grow, and even then there will be only enough food to spare to work 2 specialists even in cities with several food resources.
Essentially, I think cities need to have more than one or two tiles that yield more than 2 food without "The Plough", especially if cottages will only provide 1 food.
There are a few other things I've been meaning to bring up, but they are trivial compared to this, so I'll wait and see what you have to say before I bombard you with more. Thanks so much for all of your hard work!!

- Just went back and can see that the yield is different in the city screen than the map. The farm just west of Chang'an says 3 food on the map, but only 2 in the city screen. It is similarly short for the cottage just NW. I still think it's too low, though. I understand the concept as it applies to commerce and production to compensate for the longer game, and I realize population growth must be slowed accordingly, but this seems a bit too powerful.
-My suggestions:
- Remove the limitation on (only) food for distant tiles, or
- Leave the limitation and reintroduce the extra food for tiles adjacent to the city, or
- Leave the limitation and change the farm yield back to +2 food

- I prefer the 2nd option

 

[srpt]

I agree about the food. I have been thinking that for a while. I think adding 1 to farms is best.

I didn't think there were disagreements between the city screen and the map. in my current game all is correct. I have noticed that loading old saves could make for odd results.

 

[Brew]

Adding 1 more food to farms sounds good to me. Thanks for the quick response. I'll watch for that weird cityscreen/worldmap disagreement and let you know if I see it again.
I'm excited to try out the new features - hope you can update the svn soon.

 

[srpt]

svn 239

farms are now +2 food

updated the religions on the 550AD map

made the Byzantines like religious techs more. on recent Visigoth and Vandal starts I've rolled the schism had already taken place.

 

[Rafaelito]

how about the arabian? will they spawn now ?

 

[srpt]

they should. if they don't, give me a save from just before they are supposed to.

 

[calad]

I'm glad you're enjoying the mod. I know the AI is terrible, particularly at defending cities. when I'm finished with other stuff I may try to work with it.

when Axum declared war on you it was because they were not considering you as master. I will fix that.

there is not supposed to be a limit on workers. you couldn't build any? how many did you have.

there are some ideas a couple of posts back about improving the benefit the AI gets from slavery.

those workshops are supposed to be called "brickworks" and are limited to floodplains because thats where the mud is. I will fix the name and maybe include workshops as well but they would probably come with a later tech like Manufactured Trade.


other stuff:

I forgot to mention that open borders affects non-military units only except for vassals and masters.

the Christian schism is working great. I will commit it soon.

Here are screenshots:

Spoiler :

Looks like limit for Rome is 12 workers.

 

[Brew]

Played a little with the new svn - here are some thoughts:

Spoiler :

With less food available per city, growth will be slowed, but cities will also not be able to grow as large as before. I am ok with redetermining what constitutes a big city in this game, but I think it will really lessen the number of great people that civs are able to spawn during the course of a game.
The change has hurt some cities more than others just due to where resources are located. Constantinople at least will need a boost, but that's just an example.

I've always wanted to see population values be more realistic. It looks like Rome can max at about a size 15 now, perhaps that can be set at 1,000,000. Currently it is 225,000.

The Gupta UU doesn't cause collateral damage.

I don't think the Han UP works - granaries and settlers are more expensive for them than the Bactrians.

I'd like to see Chang'an get a food boost - it should be the largest city in the world for much of the game and currently doesn't come close. I'd also really like to see it as the Tang capital, given how important it was to the dynasty, even though they launched their rebellion from Taiyuan.

I'm sure I remember you intentionally putting a limit on workers when someone mentioned the AI having huge stacks of them roaming around. I never had a problem with it, but now that production is more limited slaves will be needed more for rushing and thus can't be used as much for improvements.
Perhaps you could increase the slave rushing value to 50 now that buildings are more expensive and textile factories have been removed.

The game is now definitely going to be harder, but that's not necessarily bad.

 

[Brew]

More thoughts:

Spoiler :

Also, haven't seen Master Artisans or Master Tradesmen in any of the late games I've played recently (haven't gotten that far on this svn version). They used to be everywhere when I played Arab games. I also just noticed that an Artisans' Quarter by 200 AD is an option for the Kushan UHV. I've only ever seen those companies after 750 - should they be around earlier?

It might seem trivial, but is there anything that can be done about the city graphics for Constantinople? It really is an eyesore.

Charcoal is a requirement for a building (can't remember which), but as I understand it the resource has been removed.

The Buddhas of Bamiyan have no effect.

The House of Wisdom and Alchemist Lab are not buildable despite the civilopedia saying they are. If you hadn't originally intended to include the HOW, I think you have to now that the end date is pushed further back. The date change also has ramifications for the orientation of the Arab game (Umayyad vs. Abbasid and the inclusion of Baghdad), but that can wait.

Damascus is another city that really needs a food boost now.

 

[Tigranes]

long time no see as well. sorry for the extended absence. just had to step away for a bit.

Welcome back! Why you didn't tell us about your plans? We were waiting and waiting!

 

[srpt]

hi Tigranes.

I had totally forgotten about the worker limit. yes I will remove it.

I will look over the companies code.

I'm not sure what you mean about Constantinople. can you explain?

I took out the HoW both because it was built by the Abbasids and because there were too many Islamic wonders compared to other religions. the end date was extended just to prvide a round number and provide late civ players with a few more turns, not to include the Abbasids. in this mod the Arab civ represents the Umayyads and the implicit assumption in playing them is that the Abbasids revolt either never happens or is defeated. I should now include it as a non-playable spawn though, to be fair.

increasing slave-rushing hammers is a good idea. I didn't touch it when I changed the game speed.

I haven't been able to think of a good effect for the Buddhas of Bamiyan. any ideas anyone?

I will fix the charcoal thing

I have never looked at the game pop vs real pop thing but I will. Rome = 15 = 1,000,000 sounds perfect to me.

I will look at those other cities and maybe move some resources.

and I will look into:

Tang capital switch to Chang'an

Gupta UU

Han UP

 

[Brew]

Sorry for being vague - Currently Constantinople has Indian city graphics instead of Roman.

For the Buddhas maybe they could give a boost to priests in all cities - like +1 gold, for example.

I understand what you mean about the Abbasids. For me, though, they are one of the most fascinating civilizations ever, and the extended date got me excited about the possibility. Maybe one day far down the road...

 

[Sitalkas]

For the Buddhas maybe they could give a boost to priests in all cities - like +1 gold, for example.

Or maybe to double the effects of priests in cities with Buddhism that you control. Or +1 happiness to every city with Buddhism that you control.

You could add the Mausoleum of Theodoric for another christian wonder, and Trajan's wall for a Hellenistic one

 

[Cetrix]

Welcome back srpt ! Glad to see you again.

About the worker "act like a great engineer" bug :
- played the Bactrians and the Parths
- can hurry palace, and minor wonders (didnt try anything else)

 

[Rafaelito]

Hi,


i have recently started a new game, with the latest update, as Byzantines
However, i´ve started from 320 BC, and when i´ve finally spawn, my "inflation" was about 350 gold per turn, which gives me a -300 GOLD even with 100% gold slide bar, even adopting the trade civic which gives me +1 trade route.
So in this case, the game was unplayable.
How to fix it ?

 

[srpt]

svn 240

fixed the city artstyle map, Byzantium is mediterranean now.

removed the worker limit

nerfed Rome's food a bit and buffed Xian's

about the Byzantine inflation, was that from a 220AD start? inflation in the 390s AD in my current Byz game is 187

I still cannot reproduce the worker as slave bug. can you post a save?

 

[Cetrix]

That's OK now, I don't know why. Workers can't hurry production with the new version.

And by the way, I like the new 3rd Greco-Bactrian UHV, the slowest years-by-turn and the new river crossing system.

Did you fix the indy city production ? Because there are less troops now at Samarcand and Takshashila (and it's fine, it was so hard before to take those cities !).