RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

So what if he ran a police state.
So, your "fiercely intolerant" is now a general "Protestants did 'silence' dissenting views". Great evidence, nice back paddling...

In other words... you have no real clue.
The state controlled essentially everything. Unlike the Inquisitions the Protestants didn't give fair trials, you disappeared or got a very publice execution as an example for others.
As for the equating happiness with Protestanism, isen't it true that the Protestant Reformation took away some of the holidays that Catholics had enjoyed. I remember reading espeically about the English Reformation (yes I know this does not involve Calvin ;) ), and how Oliver Cromwell forbade parties, holidays and makeup and demanded modesty of women, while when Charles II (the Catholic King) returned to the throne, he once again allowed for these things to return, making the people happier.
The flip side to this would be Florence's Catholic preacher Savoranola, who destroyed many pieces of "non Christian" artwork and demanded a return to a simpler life style. Although the flip to this, was that the Catholic Church in Rome ended up burning him on the stake....
Well, at least thats my two cents, on the happiness issue. I personnaly don't think you can equate Catholicism or Protestantism with happiness though, each had their own ups and downs at any given point in time.
Also the fact that the Protestants should get a science boost is a bit absurd as well, considering that Luther, among other church reformers (Calvin, Zwingli etc.), were strongly against the helio-centric theory and later on evolution amongst other advances as well. BUT... I think what should be praised is the Protestant Work Ethic, something which scholars have equated to have lifted Europe out of obscurity and would later be a large driving force behind the rise of the United States, therefore a production and gold bonus should be given to the Protestants, while the Catholic's in the late game should get Jesuits, and better purging abilities, perhaps through Jesuits as well, (Spanish inquisition in Spain and Louis XIV attempts to remove the Huguenots from France).

Also, do the crusades end in 1500? It seems fairly late, I would recommend moving it down to 1300-1400, with 1400 being the latest. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also I agree with the fact that the Muslims should not get a friendly bonus with each other, when in fact the Turks, Arabs, Cordobans hated each other (and any Cordoba collapses by the time the Turks get here, removing any potential problem), but most assuredly the Cordobans hate the Abbasid Arabians, thats for certain. And I don't know if Catholic Europe was so "united" as the diplomatic bonus between them would give them the appearance to be. As more wars would be fun to watch :goodjob:

EDIT: That reminds me, Burgundy stays in the game for WAYY too long, and towards the end of their historical lifespan, they should begin to crumble away with successive stability hits like the Cordobans, to allow for France and Germany to expand in that direction. Also it would create some real and actually interesting battles between the French and Germans on the Rhine/Rhone valley ;)
Savoronola was executed for heresy so he isn't a good Catholic Example.

Europe's rise was assured before the Protestant Reformation, Capitalism was effectively invented in the Italian city states. The US was successful because it has tremendous amounts of resources (made because is almost as big as Europe).

You forgot Poland, well the Jesuit work in it.

Catholic Europe wasn't very United, but the Pope managed to get them to get along mostly.
 
The state controlled essentially everything. Unlike the Inquisitions the Protestants didn't give fair trials, you disappeared or got a very publice execution as an example for others.
I'm sorry, are you saying this didn't happen in Catholic countries before and after the Reformation? What's the point?

Savoronola was executed for heresy so he isn't a good Catholic Example.
He's a great Catholic example, oppressing art and science lest it threaten the teachings of the church, which were to be expressed to the illiterate peasants after being written in languages they couldn't even understand when they heard it.
Let's not forget the church pushing heliocentrism, etc... You think he was the first to threaten people with damnation, become a superstar for the church, and later be betrayed by the church when leadership changed? Hahahahaaaaa.
People like him are a huge part of the reason the Reformation, which you basically credit with having done nothing but inflict pain, occured. Get with the program...
I am guessing you went to Catholic School.

Europe's rise was assured before the Protestant Reformation, Capitalism was effectively invented in the Italian city states. The US was successful because it has tremendous amounts of resources (made because is almost as big as Europe).
So, if that is the case, why are Africa and S. America, both very rich in resources, no where near the success of the USA? Specifically, S. America...
Seems the Catholic forces in charge down there should have done just as well, no?
Are you disputing that the Protestant community is known for individual achievement (more conservative) than the Catholic idea of community (more liberal)? This is a well accepted and established teaching.


Catholic Europe wasn't very United, but the Pope managed to get them to get along mostly.
The only somewhat accurate and applicable statement you made, when the Pope himself wasn't excomming countries for disagreeing/heresy/not giving him the respect he wanted and declaring crusades against them...
 
Your post is no longer actually discussing the game, please get your post moved to the proper thread.
 
It's discussing the history, which we were talking about in the context of gameplay.
Nice petty reply, I guess you had nothing factual or interesting to say, so then opted for snarky. Good move.

My favorite part was where you said, "Unlike the Inquisition, the Protestants didn't give fair trials."
This may be right up there with suggesting renaming Jerusalem as Palestine... but, in fact, it is even more absurd.

The Inquisition gave fair trials... just ask Civ King... hahahaaahahahahaaahaahahahaaaaahahhahaha
 
We have a thread for historic discussions for a reason. For example here, we had couple of suggestions, couple of comments and then a long argument about history devolving onto personal attacks. Keep gameplay specific suggestions here and historical discussions to the appropriate threads.

Also, don't snap at others, I am afraid we are already pushing the limits of the moderators, I doubt any other project here has seen as many warnings as this one.
 
Didn't really know which thread this is supposed to go into, but how do I get Atlantic Acces? The 'pedia doesn't really provide an answer :) It's one of my very first games in RFC:E, so excuse me if I'm being very dumb - I play as the Vikings, and WB shows there's a tile near what I a assume is Iceland, where it apparently shows up, but how do I "activate" it, or whatever is needed? Also, I could not figure out how to build Vinland.
 
Didn't really know which thread this is supposed to go into, but how do I get Atlantic Acces? The 'pedia doesn't really provide an answer :) It's one of my very first games in RFC:E, so excuse me if I'm being very dumb - I play as the Vikings, and WB shows there's a tile near what I a assume is Iceland, where it apparently shows up, but how do I "activate" it, or whatever is needed? Also, I could not figure out how to build Vinland.

Go and settle a city in Iceland, then build a work-boat and you can build a colonial trade route just like the fishing boats. Instead of fish, you will get Atlantic Access.

The one near Iceland would disappear around 1050, but more AA will appear as soon as players start to discover Astronomy.
 
We have a thread for historic discussions for a reason. For example here, we had couple of suggestions, couple of comments and then a long argument about history devolving onto personal attacks. Keep gameplay specific suggestions here and historical discussions to the appropriate threads.

Also, don't snap at others, I am afraid we are already pushing the limits of the moderators, I doubt any other project here has seen as many warnings as this one.
I am replying in then proper thread AND I am going to cite it.
 
Also, don't snap at others, I am afraid we are already pushing the limits of the moderators,

Hardly ;). If that was the limit, the civ5 forums would have been shut down months ago.

I doubt any other project here has seen as many warnings as this one.

See it positive: Some clash means active posters ;).

I am replying in then proper thread AND I am going to cite it.

If you don't continue like it has ended here, then i'm fine with it.

Moderator Action: And now back to topic please.
 
I'm sorry if I'm being really dumb atm, but I really don't understand how to get Atlantic access. The one near Iceland disappears again you say, I now researched Astronomy, what do I do to get it? Is it a tile I have to go to or something? World Builder doesn't show any of the tiles like the one that was near Iceland earlier? :confused:

(Oh and the game is obviously on Viceroy, just a sandbox-kindof game...)
 

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I'm sorry if I'm being really dumb atm, but I really don't understand how to get Atlantic access. The one near Iceland disappears again you say, I now researched Astronomy, what do I do to get it? Is it a tile I have to go to or something? World Builder doesn't show any of the tiles like the one that was near Iceland earlier? :confused:

(Oh and the game is obviously on Viceroy, just a sandbox-kindof game...)

Who are you playing with? It makes a difference.

-In beginning of the game, there is only one AA near Iceland. You can only get there with the Vikings and you are supposed to use it to build Vinland. By 1050, you either got Vinland or you don't, so the AA disappears.
-AA will appear again on the map (various places) after civilizations discover Astronomy.
-AA near Spain will appear when Spain discovers Astronomy, same for AA near England, France and Portugal.
-The Dutch get AA when they spawn.
-Other than that, whenever any nation discovers Astronomy, AA will appear near Gibraltar. You will have to fight to get it.
- One more appears late (in 1640) near Sweden for the Russian Swedish wars (see Moscow's UHV).

For Beta 10, if England dies early, then the English AA will appear after the Vikings get Astronomy. This is done for the case of Viking conquering England, then you can go for Colonies afterwards.
 
Alright so why is colonea unstable for Ottomans when its part of a UHV, in Turkey, and surrounded by Solids.

Sorry can't remember if I posted this already, apologies if I did.
 
Couldnt save the game as Ottomans
 
Colonea is also unstable for the Byzantines, who also have it as part of a UHV.

Is it intended for templar masters, teutonic masters, and hospitaller masters to upgrade into pikemen? I can't spread my guild anymore after professional armies.
 
Colonea is also unstable for the Byzantines, who also have it as part of a UHV.

Is it intended for templar masters, teutonic masters, and hospitaller masters to upgrade into pikemen? I can't spread my guild anymore after professional armies.

Probably, those orders eventually lost their influence. I will double-check.
 
In truth you had the suppression of the Templars and their wealth, so I think they should either disband or sit there. Having them upgrade to pikemen is a bit weird...
 
Gotta say the time frame for the Ottomans to capture those territories is pretty dang tight. I think each of the first two should be bumped back 10 turns at least.
 
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