RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[merijn_v1]

I CAN"T BELIEVE IT!! FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, CORDOBA HAS RESPAWED!! lol

My point is that they should have set dates for Arabia and Cordoba to respawn, and in different locations of course! Arabia, as the Fatimids (if they collapse before the crusades) or Ayyubids (if they collapse after Jerusalem is taken), Mamluks (if they spawn AFTER the crusading period is over) and all in Egypt.
As for the Cordobans, they should respawn in Morocco of course (Marrakesh) and Granada, as the Almoravids and later the Almohad and then finally the Emirate of Grenada (if they reconquer southern spain, from the Taifa's)
Thats what should happen, not them respawning in Damascus and Cordoba continuously, and which they rarely do anyways, but again, thats not my point

In general though, I'm quite sad in how this mod has turned out, there seems to be little interest in taking into account people's decisions; and in general very little accountability for actually continuously modding it

First. Please stop complaining that we don't mod enough. Our main modders don't have much time. And this won't change for a long time, I'm afraid. It has no use to say every week that we don't do enough coding. And more important, RL is much more important than RFCE. So please stop complaining.

Second. Their are some dates were civs (including Arabia and Cordoba) have a bigger chance to respawn.
It also would ruin the gameplay if we have dates when civs have a 100% chance of respawning when they collapsed. (And IF we ever would include this, it should be for all civs, not only the Muslim onces.)
And if the Cordobans respawn at Marakesh, they are doomed. Marakesh is one of the most useless cities on the map. It has no food and no production.

 

[The Turk]

I don't think SoI has been ruined by exact date, respawns, in fact the last time I checked SoI is doing great, and it incorporates this high level of historical accuracy, which still allows the player free movement. So I would have to rebuff your statement, that having dates of respawn are bad.

 

[kochman]

AH, another SoI plug... is that your purpose here?

Doesn't really matter... if you like SoI better, go play it and stop repeating your whining all the time just so you can say how much better SoI is...
If people like your thing, they will play it. If they like this, they will play it.
Beating dead horses... not interesting.

 

[civ_king]

you two bicker a lot

 

[AOS9001]

you two bicker a lot

I think it's their thing.

 

[youtien]

I CAN"T BELIEVE IT!! FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, CORDOBA HAS RESPAWED!! lol

My point is that they should have set dates for Arabia and Cordoba to respawn, and in different locations of course! Arabia, as the Fatimids (if they collapse before the crusades) or Ayyubids (if they collapse after Jerusalem is taken), Mamluks (if they spawn AFTER the crusading period is over) and all in Egypt.
As for the Cordobans, they should respawn in Morocco of course (Marrakesh) and Granada, as the Almoravids and later the Almohad and then finally the Emirate of Grenada (if they reconquer southern spain, from the Taifa's)
Thats what should happen, not them respawning in Damascus and Cordoba continuously, and which they rarely do anyways, but again, thats not my point

In general though, I'm quite sad in how this mod has turned out, there seems to be little interest in taking into account people's decisions; and in general very little accountability for actually continuously modding it

Cordoba respawned in my French game too, Marrakesh as capital, and they have Tanja, that's all. I had all their cities in Iberia destroyed or captured, and I am solid.

 

[kochman]

I think it's their thing.

I just get tired of people beating dead horses and/or repeating themselves in every post until they get what they want... it equates to spam. He often makes good points, if you can look between the repeated requests/slams/shameless plugs.

 

[FakeShady]

AH, another SoI plug... is that your purpose here?

Doesn't really matter... if you like SoI better, go play it and stop repeating your whining all the time just so you can say how much better SoI is...
If people like your thing, they will play it. If they like this, they will play it.
Beating dead horses... not interesting.

i stopped replying to The Turk ever since he made a personal attack on me. Besides, everyone already knew that he is biased. RFC:Europe is obviously not a game for him. SoI is a MUCH MUCH better game for him... but of course everything Muslim has to be 100% historically accurate first

and that includes the Ottoman Turks "strolling" into Constantinople in 1453 because Constantinople is too weak to put up a fight against the might of Turkey. LOL.

I suggest you do stop replying him too you'll be doing all of us a great favour haha

 

[Wessel V1]

Are you saying that you aren't "slightly" biased as well? Although your point (this is RFCE not SoI) is clear and to be honest fair, I'd say that he is surely not the only one who is biased. I think that is one of the downsides of this mod. Look at the Spain's settler map, for example.

Also, Turkey should be able to take Constantinople more often then it does now. No bias, but preference.

 

[micbic]

Look at the Spain's settler map, for example.

Please elaborate. What parts of Europe would you like to see them settle more and which less?

 

[The Turk]

i stopped replying to The Turk ever since he made a personal attack on me. Besides, everyone already knew that he is biased. RFC:Europe is obviously not a game for him. SoI is a MUCH MUCH better game for him... but of course everything Muslim has to be 100% historically accurate first

and that includes the Ottoman Turks "strolling" into Constantinople in 1453 because Constantinople is too weak to put up a fight against the might of Turkey. LOL.

I suggest you do stop replying him too you'll be doing all of us a great favour haha

I'm sorry, but excuse me? First of all, when did I make a personal attack on you; how f***ing lame can you be, to feel attacked on an internet forum; I mean how weak are you, to feel threatened by a person you have never met/saw?? And more importantly, I don't even remember you, or my comment to you, so please:
1. Go grow some balls
2. Grow up

Secondly, how the hell am I biased, when saying that the Turks should take Constantinople? Although I am biased for having a historical game over a game, where France can build cities in Spain, saying that the Turks should take Constantinople, is not "biased", in fact if you ACTUALLY read my early posts, I was quite moderate in what I said. So please don't start going off on tangents. And please for the love of God, do not go start saying that I'm biased towards all the Muslim civ's in the game. Generally they are the most underrepresented, and when I'm giving you guys ideas, it should not equate to me being "biased", I'm adding to the historical accuracy of this mod, which I feel it is lacking.
Really I have nothing against you, nor could I care less about you, so please don't spread s*it, about me on an internet forum

@Kochman,
wow dude, what an ass you've become, me constantly giving ideas for this mod, especially the underrepresented areas, does not equate to me being biased, or complaining, but yes, this mod is moving a lot slower then it used to be, but that is your guys's problem, as all I've been doing since version one of this mod, is trying to make it better, and ensure its longevity. And believe me, if I didn't have school PLUS if I wasn't creating my own mod, then yes, I would be helping out with this mod, in getting the wheels moving, because frankly this mod looks like its stagnated for a bit too long, and all I've done was toll the bells to warn the community, because without proper leadership for someone, then how can this mod continue developing?
Oh btw, hope you enjoyed your Qu'ran book burning day with your cool Tea Party Friends
@At RFC Europe modders
You guys have done an excellent job so far, I still think this mod is far from completion though, and if you guys are busy with real life, then let real life come first, I've just felt a bit worried, that this mod was being abandoned.

 

[Wessel V1]

Please elaborate. What parts of Europe would you like to see them settle more and which less?

I'm referring to the yellow spots.

 

[merijn_v1]

I'm sorry, but excuse me? First of all, when did I make a personal attack on you; how f***ing lame can you be, to feel attacked on an internet forum; I mean how weak are you, to feel threatened by a person you have never met/saw?? And more importantly, I don't even remember you, or my comment to you, so please:
1. Go grow some balls
2. Grow up

Secondly, how the hell am I biased, when saying that the Turks should take Constantinople? Although I am biased for having a historical game over a game, where France can build cities in Spain, saying that the Turks should take Constantinople, is not "biased", in fact if you ACTUALLY read my early posts, I was quite moderate in what I said. So please don't start going off on tangents. And please for the love of God, do not go start saying that I'm biased towards all the Muslim civ's in the game. Generally they are the most underrepresented, and when I'm giving you guys ideas, it should not equate to me being "biased", I'm adding to the historical accuracy of this mod, which I feel it is lacking.
Really I have nothing against you, nor could I care less about you, so please don't spread s*it, about me on an internet forum

@Kochman,
wow dude, what an ass you've become, me constantly giving ideas for this mod, especially the underrepresented areas, does not equate to me being biased, or complaining, but yes, this mod is moving a lot slower then it used to be, but that is your guys's problem, as all I've been doing since version one of this mod, is trying to make it better, and ensure its longevity. And believe me, if I didn't have school PLUS if I wasn't creating my own mod, then yes, I would be helping out with this mod, in getting the wheels moving, because frankly this mod looks like its stagnated for a bit too long, and all I've done was toll the bells to warn the community, because without proper leadership for someone, then how can this mod continue developing?
Oh btw, hope you enjoyed your Qu'ran book burning day with your cool Tea Party Friends
@At RFC Europe modders
You guys have done an excellent job so far, I still think this mod is far from completion though, and if you guys are busy with real life, then let real life come first, I've just felt a bit worried, that this mod was being abandoned.

Well, if I were them, I would take this as an offence.

Although you're not biased, if you have comments, they all are about making the muslim civs stronger. I have never seen a post of you that gives comments about other civs. (I don't count the discussion of the Tolerance UP etc. , only logs of your played games) I don't say your ideas are bad, but if someone only give comments about 1 "type" of civ, I might doubt if he just wants to make that civ stronger.

Thirdly, you want to improve underrepresented areas, but those areas are mostly outside of Europe. (Levant, Palistine, Marocco). This is RFCEurope. So those areas aren't such important as for instance, Italy. And I don't think it's co-accidentally that all those areas are part of the Islamic world. And the Islam wasn't the most important religion of the area this mod is about. (Only the edges)

@ kochman, The Turk and Fakeshady
PLEASE STOP THIS USELES FIGHT AND FOCUS ON DEVELOPING THIS MOD. THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR POSTING NEGATIVE POST TO EACHOTHER.

 

[The Turk]

Although you're not biased, if you have comments, they all are about making the muslim civs stronger. I have never seen a post of you that gives comments about other civs. (I don't count the discussion of the Tolerance UP, only logs of your played games) I don't say your ideas are bad, but if someone only give comments about 1 "type" of civ, I might doubt if he just wants to make that civ stronger.

Obviously you not seen the colossal amounts of "critique" I have written for different versions of this mod, which addresses all sorts of issues (look towards the beginning of this thread and other older threads, and you'll fin them, like the ones I do now for SoI). So no, I do not only focus on the Ottomans, only in recent posts, on this thread, have others as well as me expressed concern about them not taking Constantinople. So please don't just skim the surface, but thank you for your moderate response.

OH! And yes, I hope they take offense to this, because they need to learn to grow up, and realize that this is an internet forum for adults, not a place where you slur others, and make false accusations.

 

[kochman]

@ kochman, The Turk and Fakeshady
PLEASE STOP THIS USELES FIGHT AND FOCUS ON DEVELOPING THIS MOD. THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR POSTING NEGATIVE POST TO EACHOTHER.

Hey bro, I am only speaking for myself, but you jumping on me here is really not called for... all I did was say to stop using this area to plug his own mod, which his last several posts did, and stop repeating, because it gets REALLY ANNOYING. I am trying to focus on suggestions for THIS mod. I didn't get personal, in fact, I even paid him a compliment.

I didn't have a problem with the Turk, until his post above where he goes on some tangent, insulting me, etc.
Definitely unacceptable, and he is now on my ignore list.
He wants to hide behind his computer screen and be a tough guy... pretty low. We've seen this before, but I won't see it from him, anymore.

 

[FakeShady]

@kochman "Hey bro, I am only speaking for myself, but you jumping on me here is really not called for"

err was that directed at me, or merijn_v1 ?? Just checking lol

but anyways...

I'm sorry, but excuse me? First of all, when did I make a personal attack on you; how f***ing lame can you be, to feel attacked on an internet forum; I mean how weak are you, to feel threatened by a person you have never met/saw?? And more importantly, I don't even remember you, or my comment to you, so please:
1. Go grow some balls
2. Grow up

Secondly, how the hell am I biased, when saying that the Turks should take Constantinople? Although I am biased for having a historical game over a game, where France can build cities in Spain, saying that the Turks should take Constantinople, is not "biased", in fact if you ACTUALLY read my early posts, I was quite moderate in what I said. So please don't start going off on tangents. And please for the love of God, do not go start saying that I'm biased towards all the Muslim civ's in the game. Generally they are the most underrepresented, and when I'm giving you guys ideas, it should not equate to me being "biased", I'm adding to the historical accuracy of this mod, which I feel it is lacking.
Really I have nothing against you, nor could I care less about you, so please don't spread s*it, about me on an internet forum

@Kochman,
wow dude, what an ass you've become, me constantly giving ideas for this mod, especially the underrepresented areas, does not equate to me being biased, or complaining, but yes, this mod is moving a lot slower then it used to be, but that is your guys's problem, as all I've been doing since version one of this mod, is trying to make it better, and ensure its longevity. And believe me, if I didn't have school PLUS if I wasn't creating my own mod, then yes, I would be helping out with this mod, in getting the wheels moving, because frankly this mod looks like its stagnated for a bit too long, and all I've done was toll the bells to warn the community, because without proper leadership for someone, then how can this mod continue developing?
Oh btw, hope you enjoyed your Qu'ran book burning day with your cool Tea Party Friends

TA-DAH

 

[AdrienIer]

Could you please create a Fight_of_other_forum-members thread, so that threads like these can become readable. I don't think any modder reads this tread anymore because of the mess it's become.

And wouldn't it be better to distinguish a feedback thread (this one) and a suggestion thread (were debates would be welcome) ? It might leave this thread as a readable, useful and pleasant one.

 

[kochman]

Let's just get back to the mod, it's more interesting.

So, I continued my game with Spain... and I have it in the bag, but it did get more interesting when Genoa decided to declare war on me during a plague outbreak... since I had Firenze, I really had to pay attention... war is still ongoing, its about 1540AD or so...
The Reformation brought 3 cities into heresy, which quickly received inquisitors to squash he problem.

France has vassalized and forced into Christianity the resurgent Cordobans... Arabia collapsed after a respawn, but the Ottomans are taking up the slack, and they captured Constantinople too I believe! As hard to believe as that is for some.

Spain is a real powerhouse, probably the most powerful that I have played with... I usually play Venice, Holland or the Byzantines, but wanted to branch out. I am well over 2000 in score, and the closest competitor is at around 1400 (HRE).

I almost dare say Spain might be a little too powerful? Until the discovered the new world (via the italian), and the gold... they weren't doing so well, but in this, they were tops the entire time.
When I tried playing as France, the results were nowhere near as clear cut... I would say strengthen France a bit (or make UHV more reasonable), and weaken Spain a bit...

 

[ezzlar]

Many civs have the problem that they are under/overpowered depending on if its human or the AI playing the civ. Meaning some tweaks would balance the one case but destroying the other.

This muslim/other civs thing: I would say it differs a lot if you think about this mod as a christian vs islam mod or a battle between european powers with the muslim civs as a bit of sidetrack requiring attention every now and then. In one case the muslims civs are fairly ok but in the other case more needs doing.

 

[Power_of_Beer]

Just finished the new Polish UHV. It's still a bit easy if you ask me, because you have so much time to reach the goals. I just built my empire up slowly, with a productive capital (Pigs, Horse, Iron, Barley, many Rivers). With all those overpowered serfdom/manorialism farms I was way ahead in producing food. All my 12 cities were located Lithuania/Ukraine. Maybe it gets harder if the Kievan Rus are alive, which is rarely the case, but fighting Independents is really no problem.
Moskova declared war on some point but didn't send a single unit though we shared a long border - disappointing, but we all know that problem.
Then its just spreading those religions for Cathedrals and hope that Judaism spreads.