RFCE Leaders

[AbsintheRed]

Karl XII could perhaps be exchanged for Gustav III?

Hm, a late leader? I'm not against it, but honestly didn't hear much about Gustav III before
Is he thought as a great king amongst the swedes?

Maybe we should still go with Gustav Adolph, probably he is the best candidate for Sweden

 

[Morholt]

Yes and no, he is still less controversial than Karl XII though.

Basically after Karl XII died the power of the monarchy was greatly weakened in Sweden to the benefit of the parliament, Riksdag (which was mostly run by the nobles). Gustav III staged a bloodless coup in which he reinstated the absolutism employed by the Carolingian kings. He was a great patron of the arts and sciences and many cultural institutions in Sweden come from his reign.

On the other hand, his war against Russia where he tried to retake the provinces lost by Karl XII did not go that well - it ended in a stalemate that was more costly for the Swedes than the Russians. And he became unpopular with the peasants when he attempted to ban moonshining (which was using up the majority of Sweden's potato production), and with the nobles by decreasing their power, as well as the power of the Riksdag. The nobles would eventually end up assassinating him at the Stockholm Opera.

Though he was impopular with some, he generally appears to have been well-liked in his time, and he is remembered today as a forward-thinking and generally competent enlightenment monarch. He was probably the "best" king of Sweden in the 18th century.

Edit: Gustav Adolph is definitely the best choice though, being the only Swedish monarch to have the epithet "the Great" and all. Gustav III makes more sense than Karl XII if you want a 18th century ruler though.

 

[merijn_v1]

@ Absinthered

A few posts ago, you said you wanted a better Isabella. Do you mean this Isabella? If yes, I can also include it with the art updates I'm currently making.

 

[AbsintheRed]

@ Absinthered

A few posts ago, you said you wanted a better Isabella. Do you mean this Isabella? If yes, I can also include it with the art updates I'm currently making.

Yes, that's the link. I think she is way better than the original Firaxis Isabella
I plan another leaderhead update in a few weeks, but if you have time for this and want to, you can even update her right now, for Beta 12

 

[merijn_v1]

Yes, that's the link. I think she is way better than the original Firaxis Isabella
I plan another leaderhead update in a few weeks, but if you have time for this and want to, you can even update her right now, for Beta 12

I'm already adding much art, so adding her isn't a problem.

 

[Michael Vick]

I can easily change the BG (for example to the Firaxis Izzy's), but actually I really like the theme there

Do we have a second Spanish leaderhead?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/thumbnail_bpb.jpg I think this guy is just as good or better for Burgundian Phillip the Bold than Charles V. The background is certainly more believable.

Also this Phillip II isn't bad. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=303164

 

[merijn_v1]

We already use that Philip II.

 

[Michael Vick]

We already use that Philip II.

I've never played past 1600 on a civ other than Spain.

 

[AbsintheRed]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/thumbnail_bpb.jpg I think this guy is just as good or better for Burgundian Phillip the Bold than Charles V. The background is certainly more believable.

I plan a second LH for Burgundy
But it's hard to find a historically imprtant figure, who is not too close to Philip the Bold on the timeline...

Also, using the Charles V LH as Philip doesn't matter.
We won't add Charles V as a leader in the mod, he is too close to Izzy

 

[Michael Vick]

I plan a second LH for Burgundy
But it's hard to find a historically imprtant figure, who is not too close to Philip the Bold on the timeline...

Also, using the Charles V LH as Philip doesn't matter.
We won't add Charles V as a leader in the mod, he is too close to Izzy

There is an El Cid LH

 

[AbsintheRed]

From Wiki:

Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar (AD. 1043 – July 10, 1099), known as El Cid Campeador (Spanish pronunciation: [el θið kampeaˈðor], "The lord-master of military arts"), was a Castilian nobleman, military leader, and diplomat. Exiled from the court of Alfonso VI of León and Castile, El Cid went on to command a Moorish force consisting of Muladis, Berbers, Arabs and Malians, under Yusuf al-Mu'taman ibn Hud, Moorish king of the northeast Al-Andalus city of Zaragoza, and his successor, Al-Mustain II.

After the Christian defeat at the Battle of Sagrajas, El Cid was recalled to service by Alfonso VI, and commanded a combined Christian and Moorish army, which he used to create his own fiefdom in the Moorish Mediterranean coastal city of Valencia.

Doesn't sound like a possible leader to me. Neither for Spain, nor for Cordoba
Maximum a Great General

 

[Gem Hound]

I just played as the Cordobans and noticed that I crushed Isabella of all people! I want to crush King Alfonso!
Edit: Oh. you guys are already talking about that...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_VI_of_Le%C3%B3n_and_Castile

 

[Arquebusier]

Yeah Alfonso does appear to be an interesting early leader for spain
Could maybe try Henry V as a leader between William and Elizabeth for England...would seem appropriate as a major part of the english uhv is based on the hundred years war.
A later Kievan leader will probably be very difficult.
A possible early Polish leader could be Mieszko I who was the first Historical Polish monarch and did much to aid the spread of christianity to Poland.
Karl V who has already been mentioned in regard to spain could in theory be the middle German leader but i'm not convinced this is a good idea.

 

[Morholt]

Charles V as a German leader makes little sense as he ruled pretty much all Europe except Germany (He was Holy Roman Emperor but that title had already lost most of its power).

A late Kievan leader could be Bohdan Khmelnytsky who rebelled against Poland and founded a independent Ukrainian state in the 17th century. Theres a leaderhead of Rakoczi that could pass for him.

 

[civ_king]

If England stays Catholic through the Reformation could we get Queen Mary?

 

[AbsintheRed]

A few responses:
Alfonso may work as an early spanish leader. Any suggested art for him?
I think we should stick to the max 3 leaders/civ rule, we shouldn't go overboard with adding art in RFCE. So I'm against Henry V
Mieszko is a good idea, but again, we need some decent LH art. Suggestions?
I'm not sure of Khmelnytsky. To be honest, I have never heard of him before
We should still consider him if there aren't any better candidates, as I would really like to give a second leader to Ukraine
No for Queen Mary, we won't add religion dependent leaders to the civs

Finally, some great news:
Melcher kürzer accepted my request, and RFCE will soon get a new Barbarossa
His LH gallery is the guarantee it will be awesome
Speaking of his LHs, what do you think of replacing Firaxis Catherine with melcher's version?

 

[MariusMR]

A few responses:
Speaking of his LHs, what do you think of replacing Firaxis Catherine with melcher's version?

Yes please!

 

[Morholt]

I'm not sure of Khmelnytsky. To be honest, I have never heard of him before

Bohdan Khmelnytsky (c. 1595 – 6 August 1657)
He is very well known in at least Ukraine and Poland, probably Lithuania and Belarus as well, and is generally considered the Father of Ukraine. He was a cossack leader that rebelled against Poland and created an independent Ukrainian state, which is what I would interpret a late game Kiev as.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Bohdan Khmelnytsky (c. 1595 – 6 August 1657)
He is very well known in at least Ukraine and Poland, probably Lithuania and Belarus as well, and is generally considered the Father of Ukraine. He was a cossack leader that rebelled against Poland and created an independent Ukrainian state, which is what I would interpret a late game Kiev as.

Sounds great for a late Kievian leader
I'm not sure the Rakoczi LH is close enough, but it may work as temporary art

 

[3Miro]

Bohdan Khmelnytsky is fitting for a respawning Kievan ruler.

I was thinking about some of the names. I think Simeon I and Elizabeth I should be renamed to just Simeon and Elizabeth. The reason is that both Simeon II and Elizabeth II are 21st century rulers and really have nothing to do with the original monarchs. This is unlike Lois of France, where they had 16 kings with that name in the period of our mod.