AbsintheRed
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I'm not sure what edead uses as Basil currently
Can you post a pic or link about that LH?
Can you post a pic or link about that LH?
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AbsintheRed
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I know this LH, but never liked it too much
Maybe if Ekmek updates it
AFAIK he had plans to update some of his early LHs
Maybe if Ekmek updates it
AFAIK he had plans to update some of his early LHs
AbsintheRed
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What's the opinion about changing Abu Bakr to Harun al-Rashid as the early Arabian leader?
Abu Bakr was the first caliph, but only ruled for 2 years.
On the other hand Harun al-Rashid was one of the most accomplished islamic rulers, reigning during the arabian scientific, cultural and religious golden age
So he is probably more fitting historically and also there is a great leaderhead for him (based on the Civ V version of him):
Abu Bakr was the first caliph, but only ruled for 2 years.
On the other hand Harun al-Rashid was one of the most accomplished islamic rulers, reigning during the arabian scientific, cultural and religious golden age
So he is probably more fitting historically and also there is a great leaderhead for him (based on the Civ V version of him):
If he is so more important and ruled for a longer time, I agree with that
merijn_v1
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I share Spirictum's opinion.
AbsintheRed
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I would rather not say he is more important, as Abu Bakr was also very important himself (as well as the other 3 Rashidun Caliphs)
Harun al-Rashid might be better suited for a leader in Civ IV or RFCE in particular, but as I said, I would like to hear some opinions on this
Harun al-Rashid might be better suited for a leader in Civ IV or RFCE in particular, but as I said, I would like to hear some opinions on this
AbsintheRed
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Yeah I was thinking about that too
But is't it too close? The second Arabian leader would appear less than 30 turns after spawn...
Also, I don't particularly like the current LH art for Abu Bakr
But is't it too close? The second Arabian leader would appear less than 30 turns after spawn...
Also, I don't particularly like the current LH art for Abu Bakr
BTW, Novator's LH gallery has LHs (besides that of Harun al-Rashid) for Simone Boccanegra, Vladimir I the Great (the one who christianized Kievan Rus', father of Yaroslav the Wise - the current only leader of Kievan Rus'), Philip II Augustus (King of France from 1180 to 1223) and Charles the Bold.
Besides Harun, are any of these going to be included in the mod? I think at least Simone and Charles could substitute those currently used (if they didn't already in the SVN version) Vladimir and Philip are another matter.
IMO Vladimir could be leader of Kievan Rus' up to 1015 (his death) and Yaroslav from there until the end (after his father's death, he gathered an army and conquered the throne from his brother in 1019).
And I think there is enough France for lots of rulers. It starts in the beggining and is supposed to last until the end, so adding a fourth leader doesn't seem bad. Charlemagne (r. 768-814), Joan of Arc (l. 1412-1431) and Louis XIV (r. 1643-1715). The addition of a Philip II from 1180 to 1223 seems to fall perfectly in this timeline (although Joan of Arc wasn't a "ruler", but as a heroine leader I think she fits as a LH and BTW all these dates are real ones, not the ones used in game).
Here is the link to the database: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=467497
Besides Harun, are any of these going to be included in the mod? I think at least Simone and Charles could substitute those currently used (if they didn't already in the SVN version) Vladimir and Philip are another matter.
IMO Vladimir could be leader of Kievan Rus' up to 1015 (his death) and Yaroslav from there until the end (after his father's death, he gathered an army and conquered the throne from his brother in 1019).
And I think there is enough France for lots of rulers. It starts in the beggining and is supposed to last until the end, so adding a fourth leader doesn't seem bad. Charlemagne (r. 768-814), Joan of Arc (l. 1412-1431) and Louis XIV (r. 1643-1715). The addition of a Philip II from 1180 to 1223 seems to fall perfectly in this timeline (although Joan of Arc wasn't a "ruler", but as a heroine leader I think she fits as a LH and BTW all these dates are real ones, not the ones used in game).
Here is the link to the database: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=467497
AbsintheRed
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These are the post numbers in that thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=467497
So yeah, I'm certainly aware of it
Simone is already in, and Harun will definitely make it in one form or another
We don't have Charles the Bold, but Philip the Bold in the mod, and I don't like the hair of Novator's LH
Was also thinking about Vladimir and Philip August
Vladimir is too close, and 3 french LHs are probably enough, but I'm on the edge for both of them
So you guys might convince me about them, we will see
So yeah, I'm certainly aware of it
Simone is already in, and Harun will definitely make it in one form or another
We don't have Charles the Bold, but Philip the Bold in the mod, and I don't like the hair of Novator's LH
Was also thinking about Vladimir and Philip August
Vladimir is too close, and 3 french LHs are probably enough, but I'm on the edge for both of them
So you guys might convince me about them, we will see
These are the post numbers in that thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=467497
So yeah, I'm certainly aware of it
Simone is already in, and Harun will definitely make it in one form or another
We don't have Charles the Bold, but Philip the Bold in the mod, and I don't like the hair of Novator's LH
Was also thinking about Vladimir and Philip August
Vladimir is too close, and 3 french LHs are probably enough, but I'm on the edge for both of them
So you guys might convince me about them, we will see
Yeah, indeed you're aware of it, actually I started to read the posts after I posted here, and saw lots of your posts.
About Vladimir, I don't think it's too close. Kievan Rus' is not a civ that spawns in 880 AD and has a whole existence until the end. Kievan Rus' is a civ that starts at 880 AD and ends around 1250 AD. A leader from the start until 1015 AD and another from 1015 AD to 1250 AD seem very balanced to me. 35 turns of Vladimir.
And Philip could be the diference between France and everyone else. There are only 2 civs that start at 500 AD: France and Byzantium. Byzantium is intended to die (most probably by the Ottomans). So France is the only civ that appears in the beggining and goes until the end (as it did in real history). Why not let it have Philip. Nobody lives more then France in RFCE (in most of my games France is powerful, or at least survives, never did I see someone conquering France that wasn't myself). Russia starts at 1380 AD and has 3 leaders (Ivan, Peter and Catherine).
Never did I realize that this was Philip the Bold, not Charles the Bold, we used in RFCE. What a shame on my poor attention.
AbsintheRed
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Basil II, Mieszko, Bela III, Harun al-Rashid, Vladimir/Svatioslav, Philip August
Some of these might make it as new leaders to the next version
Any other options/suggestions?
EDIT: Finally, there is a great-looking Nevsky LH:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=20222
Some of these might make it as new leaders to the next version
Any other options/suggestions?
EDIT: Finally, there is a great-looking Nevsky LH:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=20222
AbsintheRed
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Osmowstroyer
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Have you realised that the first portuguese leader looks way too much badass? Just saying.
AbsintheRed
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Yeah, Afonso has a great looking LH, hopefully it's not a problem
Courtesy of Capo and IgorS
Courtesy of Capo and IgorS
AbsintheRed
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Now that we are discussing the possibility of adding new civs, I would like to see suggestions for their leaders
Preferably with fitting LH art from the CFC database
The opening post of this thread is up to date, would like to have something like this for the new civs too
Preferably with fitting LH art from the CFC database
The opening post of this thread is up to date, would like to have something like this for the new civs too
simplicissimus
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Byzantium:
Michael VIII. Palaiologos (1224/25-1282). Founder of the Palaiologan dynasty, recaptured Constantinople from the crusaders
Cordoba:
Muhammad XII. "Boabdil" (1459-1518? or later). Last Emir of Granada and the Nasrid dynasty until 1492. Not really a glamorous leader but the founder of his dynasty and builder of the citadel of the Alhambra, Muhammad I. ibn Nasr (1194-1273) would be too close to Yaqub al-Mansur I guess.
Venice:
Angelo Partecipazio (died 827) or his son and successor Giustiniano Participazio (died 829). Angelo forced landclaim of the city and build up fortifications and channels and stimulated the process of getting rid of Byzantine influence and under his son the body of St. Mark were brought from Alexandria to Venice and he became patron saint of the city.
Germany
Charles IV (1316-1378). Founder of the first German unversity (in Prague 1348) and responsible for the Golden Bull
Ferdinand II (1578-1637). Emperor during the first phase of the 30 years war, main protagonist of counter-reformation.
France:
I know Jean D´Arc was a French leader in parts of civ but in my opinion she was no real ruler (like El Cid you mentioned). What about Francis I. (1495-1547) who is responsible for the French-Habsburgian conflict with his Italian wars and influenced European history massively for the next centuries with his ambitions?
Spain:
Fernando III. (1199-1252). Unified Castile and Leon and conquered Cordoba, Seville and Cadiz amongst other cities.
Austria:
Rudolf I. (1218-1291). First Habsburgian Emperor and Duke of Austria. Defeated Ottokar II. Premysl
Michael VIII. Palaiologos (1224/25-1282). Founder of the Palaiologan dynasty, recaptured Constantinople from the crusaders
Cordoba:
Muhammad XII. "Boabdil" (1459-1518? or later). Last Emir of Granada and the Nasrid dynasty until 1492. Not really a glamorous leader but the founder of his dynasty and builder of the citadel of the Alhambra, Muhammad I. ibn Nasr (1194-1273) would be too close to Yaqub al-Mansur I guess.
Venice:
Angelo Partecipazio (died 827) or his son and successor Giustiniano Participazio (died 829). Angelo forced landclaim of the city and build up fortifications and channels and stimulated the process of getting rid of Byzantine influence and under his son the body of St. Mark were brought from Alexandria to Venice and he became patron saint of the city.
Germany
Charles IV (1316-1378). Founder of the first German unversity (in Prague 1348) and responsible for the Golden Bull
Ferdinand II (1578-1637). Emperor during the first phase of the 30 years war, main protagonist of counter-reformation.
France:
I know Jean D´Arc was a French leader in parts of civ but in my opinion she was no real ruler (like El Cid you mentioned). What about Francis I. (1495-1547) who is responsible for the French-Habsburgian conflict with his Italian wars and influenced European history massively for the next centuries with his ambitions?
Spain:
Fernando III. (1199-1252). Unified Castile and Leon and conquered Cordoba, Seville and Cadiz amongst other cities.
Austria:
Rudolf I. (1218-1291). First Habsburgian Emperor and Duke of Austria. Defeated Ottokar II. Premysl
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