Ridiculous characters

[Gen.Mannerheim]

The entire cast of characters of Star Trek: Discovery is ridiculous. They don't even have a cute beagle (like Porthos in Enterprise, another series I didn't like) to redeem this show.

It seems like many people are starting to drink the cool-aid thought, for what reason I have no idea.

Everything after Raditz.

Also that weirdass lizard guy with the bubblegum spit from Dragonball

Goku became a ridiculous character during Z. He started off as an orphan child prodigy whose ambition was to continue to get stronger by finding worthy opponents. Dragonball & early DBZ Goku got his butt handed to him a number of times, and the point was that he wasn't all powerful and had to struggle and make personal gains.

Then the Buu sage/Super came along, and Goku becomes a literal God who tends to be so powerful that he has to fight at weak strength to let other people compete. Plus he went from just being honest yet naive to straight-up stupid and arrogant. Prime example is agreeing to fight Vegeta a second time, knowing full well that doing so will release an ancient doom monster upon the world. Plus, he doesn't even fight at his full strength, so the fight drags out for a silly length of time (even Vegeta calls him out for this in show). And then there's Super Sayian 3, a "development" which totally threw out all the logic behind the Super Sayian and devalued Gohan's achievement in creating Super Sayian 2, just so they can give Goku an arbitrary new form for a new saga.

Seriously, everybody hates on Buu, but for me Super Saiyan 3 more or less killed my "intense" fandom of the show.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

It seems like many people are starting to drink the cool-aid thought, for what reason I have no idea.

I take it you don't care for the show, either?

I'm in the midst of an argument with an absolutely militant Discovery fan, who's ranting at me that Discovery is the strongest, and the very best Star Trek ever, and if I haven't seen more than the first episode, I should just shut up and never say another word about it.

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

I take it you don't care for the show, either?

I'm in the midst of an argument with an absolutely militant Discovery fan, who's ranting at me that Discovery is the strongest, and the very best Star Trek ever, and if I haven't seen more than the first episode, I should just shut up and never say another word about it.

No, I don't like it. I got in more than the first episode, but I've given up on the series.

I've always been more of a Star Wars guy over Trek, but for me Discovery fails in its attempts to bring a more action bent to the franchise. I absolutely can't stand Michael! I feel that all the canon breaking stuff, coupled with the half-baked attempts to shove it into the lore is an ridiculous disservice to the fans. The show's politics is just waay too on the nose. And I generally resist forces moneymaking schemes like putting on a subscription service.

People seem to be in three camps as far as I've seen 1) hate the show and won't watch 2) Don't like it but giving it a chance because Star Trek 3) Those who are consciously blind to its faults and are fanatically argue that its the "bestest thing evar!"

 

[Valka D'Ur]

No, I don't like it. I got in more than the first episode, but I've given up on the series.

I've always been more of a Star Wars guy over Trek, but for me Discovery fails in its attempts to bring a more action bent to the franchise. I absolutely can't stand Michael! I feel that all the canon breaking stuff, coupled with the half-baked attempts to shove it into the lore is an ridiculous disservice to the fans. The show's politics is just waay too on the nose. And I generally resist forces moneymaking schemes like putting on a subscription service.

People seem to be in three camps as far as I've seen 1) hate the show and won't watch 2) Don't like it but giving it a chance because Star Trek 3) Those who are consciously blind to its faults and are fanatically argue that its the "bestest thing evar!"

The hilarious thing over at TrekBBS is that a couple of the same people who trolled and flamed me mercilessly in 2009 and 2012 for my loathing of nuTrek are taking flak themselves for not liking Discovery. I'm enjoying watching them get a taste of what they dished out to me (and in one case he's still doing it basically on autopilot now).

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

nuTrek

If only everyone could have seen JJ for the hack he was with the first nuTrek. It took the third try without his involvement to finally create something worth watching.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

If only everyone could have seen JJ for the hack he was with the first nuTrek. It took the third try without his involvement to finally create something worth watching.

I did see it, and can hardly remember anything about it other than nuUhura was still whining about her relationship with nuSpock. And nuKirk is still Captain Frat Boy. I don't think I'll ever be able to take him seriously.

Good thing there are a couple of episodes of Star Trek Continues I haven't seen yet. Now that's more like authentic Star Trek.

 

[Arakhor]

People seem to be in three camps as far as I've seen 1) hate the show and won't watch 2) Don't like it but giving it a chance because Star Trek 3) Those who are consciously blind to its faults and are fanatically argue that its the "bestest thing evar!"

Or (4) watch it because it's Star Trek, liking or disliking episodes as they come.

 

[Catharsis]

Can't remember the name of the book but there's this one guy in it who's always getting up in the faces of the other characters, so they crucify him obviously, but he still comes back like three days later and mouths off some more. Completely lost faith in the author after that part. I think it might have been one of the Harry Potter books.

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

Or (4) watch it because it's Star Trek, liking or disliking episodes as they come.

My #2 was the "giving it a chance one", but I may have worded it wrong. But at what point does watching the show because your a fan of a franchise get in the way of acknowledging a show isn't that good. For example, I'm a lifelong DC comics and Batman fan, and I gave Gotham about 2 seasons of a chance, but eventually I had to acknowledge how far the show had fallen from its initial premise.



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Daenerys Targaryen is a ridiculous character, at least how the show portrays her. Besides constantly flipping from obeisant whinging to monotone autocrat, her moral compass is all over the place; fighting to "bring freedom and law" to a region then turning around and feeding an innocent man to her dragons in the name of interrogation and torture.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

My #2 was the "giving it a chance one", but I may have worded it wrong. But at what point does watching the show because your a fan of a franchise get in the way of acknowledging a show isn't that good.

I stuck it out with Doctor Who until they copped out on leaving Clara permanently dead. I hated that character - really detested her, and that's the first time I ever wanted a companion to die, since all her "I'm leaving" flounces never stuck.

After that I decided that if the Capaldi-era production team was going to give us childish stories that were so devoid of even a pretense of scientific plausibility and keep bad characters around, I was going to walk away. It's a shame, after so many years (I became a Whovian in the fall of 1982), but the show just degenerated to the point where it wasn't worth my time or money to keep up with the nuWho stuff.

Fortunately I've still got the novels and the Target adaptations of the Classic episodes, plus my DVDs of the Classic episodes (have most of them now), and there's loads of Classic era fanfic online.


Admittedly, some shows have to work hard to please me. I expect more of Star Trek than any other, since it's got over 50 years of episodes to draw from, to know what is and isn't part of the show's in-universe history, and how certain iconic characters (such as Sarek) are supposed to think and behave.

Discovery had one episode to hook me, and it failed.

 

[Arakhor]

Discovery had one episode to hook me, and it failed.

Given Star Trek's 50-year history of failing to do just that, that seems a little unreasonable.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Given Star Trek's 50-year history of failing to do just that, that seems a little unreasonable.

Failing to do what? Your post is unclear.

The point is, only the first episode of Discovery was made available to everyone. If you want the rest of the story, it costs $$$ over and above basic cable/internet fees. So the first episode's job was to hook people so they'd pay that extra $$$.

In my case, they failed. Miserably. And from what I've read in the episode synopsis/review threads on TrekBBS, it really doesn't get much better.

 

[Arakhor]

Star Trek has always been weak with their pilot episodes. I'm not in North Ameria, so I can see the season as it unfolds (and I don't watch nearly enough TV to justify paying anything else for my TV habits), but this week's episode (Magic to Make the Sanest Man Mad) is the best episode yet, so I think I'll have to disagree that it doesn't get better.

 

[Synobun]

Rey from Star Wars is a ridiculous character. Her immediate talent in a sensitive Force power (mind trick) is suspect given the canon information available about the skill. That she can best a fallen Jedi with over 15 years of training in martial combat is also suspect even with the showboating and injury to Kylo Ren's stomach.

Her skills and prowess don't make sense unless they are going to reveal that she is somehow more powerful than "The Chosen One"... which would only serve to make her more ridiculous.

 

[Arakhor]

Why does she need to be more powerful than the Chosen One? Anakin/Vader is long dead at this point.

 

[Synobun]

You misunderstood me, I think.

I made the remark about Rey's skills only making sense if she were more powerful than Anakin because not even Anakin possessed her at-the-drop-of-a-dime skill level. His childhood achievement, pod-racing, was a core component of his existence. He was the Chosen One, he was born through the Force, and his entire childhood had been spent working on ships and podracers. He was good with it because he had experience with it. Put a lightsaber in his hand or ask him to do something explicit through the Force and he would have simply floundered around aimlessly.

Rey being skilled at combat is sort of understandable, after all she's skilled with her quarterstaff, but a lightsaber is different especially when your opponent has over 15 years of experience in training with that specific weapon (and you are comparatively out of your depth since a single-blade saber isn't a weighted quarterstaff). The ease in influencing another's mind is also suspicious. She has no experience. What's the Force? She doesn't know. It's a sensitive skill. Even graduated Jedi Knights can't do it all willy-nilly, but she can simply based on a feeling? Not even Anakin could do that.

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

Star Trek has always been weak with their pilot episodes. I'm not in North Ameria, so I can see the season as it unfolds (and I don't watch nearly enough TV to justify paying anything else for my TV habits), but this week's episode (Magic to Make the Sanest Man Mad) is the best episode yet, so I think I'll have to disagree that it doesn't get better.

In Canmerica, CBS putting Discovery on their subscription service was acknowledged by many viewers for the shallow money-grabbing attempt it was and were turned off.

Since CBS took the gamble of just providing one episode for normal T.V. viewing, it is completely justifiable to judge its worth on the sample provided.

Rey being skilled at combat is sort of understandable, after all she's skilled with her quarterstaff, but a lightsaber is different especially when your opponent has over 15 years of experience in training with that specific weapon (and you are comparatively out of your depth since a single-blade saber isn't a weighted quarterstaff). The ease in influencing another's mind is also suspicious. She has no experience. What's the Force? She doesn't know. It's a sensitive skill. Even graduated Jedi Knights can't do it all willy-nilly, but she can simply based on a feeling? Not even Anakin could do that.

Don't forget, she also speaks fluent Shyriiwook (Wookie) even though she's lived on a desert planet without Wookies he whole life. Also, she can pilot an antique star-freighter that's been mothballed on the first try even though she's never flown before.

 

[Synobun]

Don't forget, she also speaks fluent Shyriiwook (Wookie) even though she's lived on a desert planet without Wookies he whole life. Also, she can pilot an antique star-freighter that's been mothballed on the first try even though she's never flown before.

This one is alright, I think. Her home, that wreckage, had a flight simulator inside of it according to the books. Still sort of kinda ehh given the mothballing and such but not totally outrageous that she knew how to fly.

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

Ray atleast have the force, Im not so sure about Mission Vao (although the game in some ways hint at force sensitivity such as scoundrel luck). That is really one thing that make Mission so impressive. At the age of just 14 without any force ability or military training Mission manage to join up in a party made up of pretty much the best of her time and is so skilled that even the best republican pilot say they need her.

Sure she had a pretty tough life but just the fact that she is perhaps the most skilled member of a party made up of beyond exceptional people is crazy.

 

[BvBPL]

Boba Fett is a ridiculous character. He’s the one guy that Darth Vader, the most feared assassin in the galaxy, turns to and says “no disintegrations,” as though they’ve been through this song and dance before. He’s always in the shadows, menacing the rest of the characters. His mere presence is enough to shake strong men.

And then he gets knocked into a worm by a blind man making a wild swing.

Really scary, Boba Fett.