Ridiculous characters

Boba Fett is a ridiculous character. He’s the one guy that Darth Vader, the most feared assassin in the galaxy, turns to and says “no disintegrations,” as though they’ve been through this song and dance before. He’s always in the shadows, menacing the rest of the characters. His mere presence is enough to shake strong men.

And then he gets knocked into a worm by a blind man making a wild swing.

Really scary, Boba Fett.
Is not pretty much all powerful characters in Star Wars killed of in ridiculous ways?
 
It isn’t so much the way Boba Fett was killed as how he was portrayed. You could say, reasonably, that having the Emperor thrown down a hole was also ridiculous, but his death was a reflection of his own hubris. It makes sense to fulfill a theme of the work. Same with Jabba the Hutt and Tarkin.

Less so with Boba Fett. Boba Fett isn’t nearly as meaningful to Star Wars as the Emperor. He’s just a fearsome guy that is working with the bad guys. We don’t see any indication that he is full of hubris that would make his absurd death ironic. He’s a frightful fighter and that is how everyone treats him. We, as the audience, don’t have any reason to suspect he’s in over his head or otherwise overplaying his hand.

That Boba Fett is killed by a wild swing ruins our suspension of disbelief because it means Boba Fett isn’t actually as scary as everyone treated him. Boba Fett's death demonstrates that we can't trust the judgement of the movies' characters. And even that would be okay if the audience had any indication that Boba Fett was somehow pretending to be scary and that his absurd death was his comeuppance, but there’s none of that.
 
Spoiler Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic :
How about the fearsome bounty hunter Calo Nord getting killed by the 14 year old Mission Vao. Not as ridiculous as Boba Fett given that Calo Nord atleast put up a fight and the fact I managed to make Mission kill a whole lot of enemies, meaning killing Calo Nord was not just some sort of random luck by Mission.
 
Ray atleast have the force, Im not so sure about Mission Vao (although the game in some ways hint at force sensitivity such as scoundrel luck). That is really one thing that make Mission so impressive. At the age of just 14 without any force ability or military training Mission manage to join up in a party made up of pretty much the best of her time and is so skilled that even the best republican pilot say they need her.

Sure she had a pretty tough life but just the fact that she is perhaps the most skilled member of a party made up of beyond exceptional people is crazy.

I haven't read any written material about the KOTOR era, but couldn't this simply be explained through the leveling system of the game itself?

After all, on Taris, they had slim pickings for allies. Carth wasn't a slicer, Bastila sure wasn't, your character (probably) isn't... Mission may have indeed been the best choice. Then when the actual quest begins, your companions are explained as being the best choice because you could hardly have a team of Republic experts by your side lest you attract undue attention.

That being said I'm not sure that I agree that Mission was so great anyways.
 
I haven't read any written material about the KOTOR era, but couldn't this simply be explained through the leveling system of the game itself?
I generally tend to think about the gameplay telling a story as well. Obviously that is something that can be argued. Level up is kind of countered by stronger opponents

After all, on Taris, they had slim pickings for allies. Carth wasn't a slicer, Bastila sure wasn't, your character (probably) isn't... Mission may have indeed been the best choice. Then when the actual quest begins, your companions are explained as being the best choice because you could hardly have a team of Republic experts by your side lest you attract undue attention.
She knows more than just slicing. She also have knowledge about minies/explosives. more so than the soliders. Extreme awareness (comparable to the jedies) if not even more extreme given her sneak attack. Stealth skills as well as slicing skills. She also have quite some knowledge about weapons, how to use them or even improve them. Her combat abilities is very competitive to the other characters.

Which is not bad for being only 14 years old.

That being said I'm not sure that I agree that Mission was so great anyways.
It depend on what you mean is great. She is probably the best at what she is doing, especially when you factor in her age. Sure she had her limits but that applies as much to the other characters as well.
 
Don't forget, she also speaks fluent Shyriiwook (Wookie) even though she's lived on a desert planet without Wookies he whole life.

a) It would be tedious to have her on-screen with Chewie and not understand what he says.
b) The Force has been known to act as a passive translator before.
 
a) It would be tedious to have her on-screen with Chewie and not understand what he says.
b) The Force has been known to act as a passive translator before.

a) Then don't have Chewie! Its not that hard. We don't need every classic SW character shoehorned into the new movies. Chewie was with the Falcon because of his life-debt with Han, he's not just part of the ship. Without Han, and he and Leia obviously not being too close (her inexplicable hug with Rey and not Chewie after Han's death) he doesn't really have a reason to still be here. Going to help find Luke makes sense, he had a good relationship (Luke even scratches him behind the ear in Empire). But after they find him, Chewie should either stay with Luke or be given an actual reason for sticking around.

Further, its not an acceptable excuse to just ignore an elephant in the room. She also in-explicitly speaks fluent Binary, after growing up on a planet with few to no droids. Luke couldn't speak Binary, and he grew up on a farm with tons of droid laborers! (at least in 4, its debatable if he's actually having a conversation with R2 in Empire or if he's just talking to it like people talk to pets)

b) when?
 
Well, I may be misinterpreting it, but I believe that Revan was said to be so good at languages because of his affinity with the Force.
 
Star Trek has always been weak with their pilot episodes. I'm not in North Ameria, so I can see the season as it unfolds (and I don't watch nearly enough TV to justify paying anything else for my TV habits), but this week's episode (Magic to Make the Sanest Man Mad) is the best episode yet, so I think I'll have to disagree that it doesn't get better.
Who dreams up those ridiculous episode titles? As for pilot episodes... I was 3 years old at the time TOS premiered, not that we could have seen it anyway, what with living on an acreage miles away from anything other than a farm, another acreage, a gas station, and a motel at the time. So I never did see either TOS or TAS in the correct order, living out in the middle of almost-nowhere during their first runs. While I knew which shows were the pilot episodes, neither felt like one, since the first TOS episode I ever saw was "By Any Other Name."

"Encounter at Farpoint" was okay; it did pique my interest. The only things I found silly were part of that whole business in the beginning, with Wesley discussing his mother's love life with Riker 10 seconds after they met, and with the cloth that Beverly bought. It's not that she bought the cloth (this gives me the perfect ammunition for those endless "is there money in Star Trek" arguments), but that it was so ugly. They've got replicator technology; she could have had ten times that stuff, for much cheaper, not that she's in the socioeconomic niche that would understand such things. As for the rest of it, I loved seeing McCoy again, even with that overdone makeup job. Even Deforest Kelley thought it was a bit over the top. But it was wonderful to know that McCoy had a long, long life and that he was as healthy as could be expected for his age.

The DS9 pilot episode was interesting. Nothing was clean and sparkly, and half the crew had good reason to be in some kind of negative mood or snarky with others. As the series went on, I came to really, truly detest Kai Wynn for those disgustingly smarmy smiles and condescending way that she addressed all the grown women around as "child". It's too bad she and Lwaxana never had a scene together. Lwaxana would have told her a thing or two about knowing when to share her insights and knowing when to shut up and not be a jerk (of course Mrs. Troi could be a first-class jerk at times, but if I had to be stranded anywhere with either of them, I'd definitely choose Lwaxana).

Voyager's pilot was at times interesting and at times just ridiculous. I liked Harry and Tom right away. The rest took a bit of getting used to, but now after TOS, Voyager is my next favorite series.

Enterprise... yikes. Awful, awful theme music (the visuals weren't so bad, but that song...Star Trek deserves grand orchestras that evoke the Age of Sail (in this Voyager excels beautifully), not some cheap-sounding thing like that. And honestly, I don't remember the names of all the cast, or even their characters' names. About the best I can say regarding Enterprise is that Porthos the beagle was cute. That show should have been about Robert April, not some other thing pretending to be a prequel to TOS, but really gave many indications that it was intended as a prequel to TNG that bypassed TOS.

Which brings us to this current messy piece of bad fanfic that somehow the pros thought was appropriate for a series that's supposedly 10 years pre-Kirk. For crying out loud, if there hadn't been such a legal to-do with the fan production that got in serious trouble over their Axanar production, I'd have loved a series that incorporated stuff that was only mentioned in TOS. Axanar was supposed to be the story of Garth of Izar, but the producer took the fans' money and ran. No professional Star Trek production will touch anything to do with the Battle of Axanar now.

Now "The Vulcan Hello" is causing confusion, due to some people abbreviating it "TVH" - which has been one of the main abbreviations for "The Voyage Home" (aka "the one about the whales") for over 30 years.

Someone claimed over at TrekBBS that there really is a reason for Sarek's personality transplant between this show and TOS (why he's chummy with Michael and has basically disowned Spock, even though both of them joined Starfleet, which is a military organization and Sarek doesn't favor military organizations). Is this true, and if so, which episode? I got a snotty "Google it yourself" type of response over there. So I'm willing to give up some lifespan to read the relevant episode synopsis, if I knew which one to read.
 
That episode's title is a quote from Homer. Besides, it's no more ridiculous than "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky".

The episode I believe you're looking for, Valka, is "Lethe".
 
That episode's title is a quote from Homer. Besides, it's no more ridiculous than "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky".

The episode I believe you're looking for, Valka, is "Lethe".
Okay, I've got The Iliad and The Odyssey, but haven't gotten around to reading them.

As for the title you quoted, it makes perfect sense. The old man climbed up high and discovered that the people of Yonada were living inside something, and he really could touch the "sky."

Fun fact: "Lethe" is the name of one of the guest characters in "Dagger of the Mind."
 
Spoiler Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic :
How about the fearsome bounty hunter Calo Nord getting killed by the 14 year old Mission Vao. Not as ridiculous as Boba Fett given that Calo Nord atleast put up a fight and the fact I managed to make Mission kill a whole lot of enemies, meaning killing Calo Nord was not just some sort of random luck by Mission.

She didn't do it singlehandedly, though. She was assisted by her teammates (the main character, played by you, plus others). Considering the main character you play as turns out to be the most powerful person in the galaxy, I think that would explain it more than "she killed Calo Nord".
 
There is that ridiculously thin-voiced black media-star in the 6th element.

But why focus on that, when one can go with EVERY CHARACTER IN ANY TARANTINO MOVIE.
 
As for the title you quoted, it makes perfect sense. The old man climbed up high and discovered that the people of Yonada were living inside something, and he really could touch the "sky."

The new episode's title makes sense in retrospect too. :)
 
The new episode's title makes sense in retrospect too. :)
Whatever. I looked up the episode you mentioned on TrekBBS. The thread is 66 pages long, so I don't think I'll be reading it until I've got more time.
 
Sonichu. He's just so great and powerful that all the other characters in the sonic-universe feel insignificant in his presence.

first time I legitimately laughed at one of your posts, I had no idea we'd ever be bonding over chris-chan #gottagofast
 
I stuck it out with Doctor Who until they copped out on leaving Clara permanently dead. I hated that character - really detested her, and that's the first time I ever wanted a companion to die, since all her "I'm leaving" flounces never stuck.

After that I decided that if the Capaldi-era production team was going to give us childish stories that were so devoid of even a pretense of scientific plausibility and keep bad characters around, I was going to walk away. It's a shame, after so many years (I became a Whovian in the fall of 1982), but the show just degenerated to the point where it wasn't worth my time or money to keep up with the nuWho stuff.

Fortunately I've still got the novels and the Target adaptations of the Classic episodes, plus my DVDs of the Classic episodes (have most of them now), and there's loads of Classic era fanfic online.


Admittedly, some shows have to work hard to please me. I expect more of Star Trek than any other, since it's got over 50 years of episodes to draw from, to know what is and isn't part of the show's in-universe history, and how certain iconic characters (such as Sarek) are supposed to think and behave.

Discovery had one episode to hook me, and it failed.

Since you're an expert on this: Should I watch the "old" Dr. Who Episodes from the '60s or do you think the new BBC series is also good? I'm at around season 3 or 4 with the new series and it's getting boring, thinking about rather watching the 60s one.
 
Since you're an expert on this: Should I watch the "old" Dr. Who Episodes from the '60s or do you think the new BBC series is also good? I'm at around season 3 or 4 with the new series and it's getting boring, thinking about rather watching the 60s one.
My tolerance for nuWho ends with David Tennant's regeneration into Matt Smith. I loathe Matt Smith, I loathe the way the whole era is set up in a pretzel mess that needs a flowchart to figure out (at least that's how it is for me). There were only two tolerable stories in his era, one of which was a Christmas special that was a riff on "A Christmas Carol" and the other was the 50th Anniversary episode (Because Tom Baker is in it).

However, others disagree with this and think Smith is the best thing since sliced whatever-your-favorite-sliced-food-might-be. I'll admit there were a few poignant moments here and there, but they were overshadowed by the pretzel-twisting plot.

My issues with Capaldi's Doctor aren't with Peter Capaldi. He's good enough as the Doctor, but he had the most awful writing and an even worse companion, Clara the Ultimate Mary Sue Who Refuses To Die.

Again, others disagree (hoo boy, did Plotinus and I disagree about this, down in A&E, where there's a very long Doctor Who thread if you're at all interested).


I'm a totally unapologetic Classic Who fan. I got hooked in the fall of 1982, when the Peter Davison (Fifth Doctor) was on, although the PBS station we got was still showing the Tom Baker episodes (Fourth Doctor). We did get to see the 20th anniversary show "The Five Doctors" along with everyone else, in 1983.

There are some wonderful historical episodes in the First Doctor era. I love the one about the Aztecs, as everyone in the cast gets the chance to do special stuff and shine (Ian Chesterton, as far as I'm concerned, is THE best male companion the Doctor ever had). A later historical episode, The Romans, has the Doctor and his companions meeting Nero, getting involved in gladiatorial games, and so on. And of course this is the era when the two classic villains were created - the Daleks and the Cybermen.

I haven't seen as many Second Doctor stories, since alas, that was a time when the BBC didn't have a clue how popular this show would be, so they actually recorded over the old episodes. This is the era of the Lost Episodes that we'll never get to see in their original form. Some were eventually recovered, and some have been partially restored. Most of what I did see was very entertaining, and the Doctor had a fun relationship with his companions (Jamie and Zoe).

Fun Fact: This Doctor's companion Jamie McCrimmon is the inspiration for Diana Gabaldon writing her Outlander novels that were turned into a TV series several decades later.


The Third Doctor, Jon Pertwee, was more of a "James Bond" sort of Doctor (action/adventure, nifty gadgets, and this Doctor really liked different kinds of vehicles - no romantic hanky-panky, though; nothing like that ever came along until the Eighth Doctor (Paul McGann)). He'd been exiled to Earth at the end of the previous Doctor's era, as a punishment for meddling too much in the affairs of various planets and people. The Time Lords decided to give him a ... time out... so to speak (sorry! :p). This is the era when U.N.I.T. was in a lot of episodes (the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce, headed by Brigadier Alastair-Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart). The Third Doctor was fun - action/adventure, and he does eventually have his exile rescinded so he can once again jump in the TARDIS and take off for some other planet.

The Fourth Doctor is MY Doctor (it's not uncommon for fans' favorite Doctor to be the first one they started watching). Tom Baker is Doctor Who; he's stated in interviews that when he was out in public he tried never to say or do anything that would be objectionable to the viewers - no rowdy, drunken behavior, for example. He knew kids were watching and didn't want to disappoint anyone.

There's an episode in his first season called "Genesis of the Daleks". As far as I'm concerned, this is the Whovian equivalent of Star Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever." It's got a moral dilemma in it that's often debated when people are talking about time travel. Do you kill someone or something that is evil or does something to cause bad things to happen in the future, before it actually does become evil, or cause the bad things, or do you give it a chance to not be evil/cause the bad stuff? Kinda like asking if it's moral to kill Hitler when he's a baby, except in this case it's talking about an entire species.

Some people accuse the Tom Baker era of being too campy. Granted there are stories are really campy, and wouldn't you know it, one of those was the first one I tried to watch. Douglas Adams (creator of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) was the story editor at the time, and he was in charge during the season when the Doctor and Romana were searching for the Key to Time. I'd promised someone I met in college that I'd give this series an honest try, which meant watching a whole story (they were 4 22-minute episodes then). So my first experience with Doctor Who was "The Pirate Planet." That story is so BS!C that I nearly turned the TV off. Only my promise made me keep it on and keep watching.

Luckily the next one, Stones of Blood, was a vast improvement, and so it didn't take much more time for me to get totally hooked, and then go on a hunt for all the Target episode novelizations I could find.

The Fifth Doctor, Peter Davison, had some pretty good stories. He also had the first instance of a companion dying since two of them were killed during the First Doctor's era. That haunted him right up to his own death/regeneration.

The Sixth Doctor (Colin Baker) gets an unfair amount of criticism. Some <jerk> at the BBC was sincerely trying to kill the show, so they treated Colin Baker like crap, and some of the writing was abominably bizarre. Up till then, his companions had an introductory episode, and when they left, there was usually some sensible reason for it. But with the Sixth Doctor, there was suddenly this companion and we never got to find out how she and the Doctor met. This wasn't addressed until the next Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) who just mumbled something incomprehensible about it when she left, and that was that.

There were a couple of really good stories in the Seventh Doctor era: Silver Nemesis and Battlefield (which saw the return of U.N.I.T., which had been absent from the series for many years).

After that, Doctor Who was basically canceled, until it was revived briefly in 1996, in an American TV movie starring Paul McGann and Daphne Ashbrook. If the ratings had been better, I think the show would have been revived then, rather than waiting until 2005. Paul McGann just nailed the part of the Doctor. If I were to rank the Doctors, McGann would be in second place behind Tom Baker. He was that good. Unfortunately the movie suffered from bad writing and whoever cast Eric Roberts as the Master should have something extremely horrible done to them. He was terrible.

Paul McGann reprised his Doctor in 2013, in the webisode "Night of the Doctor." It's approximately 7 minutes long, and it's a prequel to the 50th anniversary show "Day of the Doctor". I'm impressed as everything, because once again... he absolutely nailed it perfectly. It's so unfair that he never got his own series, or had a part in the 50th anniversary show itself. He would have been superb.

Anyway, that's a very condensed version of my opinions of the Classic Who era. Yes, I definitely think it's worth your time to check it out. There are eight different Doctors, and while they all play the Doctor, they do so in very different ways. What appeals to me might not be your preference, and vice-versa.
 
She didn't do it singlehandedly, though. She was assisted by her teammates (the main character, played by you, plus others). Considering the main character you play as turns out to be the most powerful person in the galaxy, I think that would explain it more than "she killed Calo Nord".
Depend on how you play. I have used Mission to clear out the sewers, Vulkar base and other stuff all by herself with the only help she got from the other characters was some better equipment:thumbsup: It kind of break the story of the game but perhaps the only thing she needed was some encouragment and purpose;)

And before anyone ask I said all mediums applies which include gameplay. Obviously when gameplay or story break the other it become ridiculous.
 
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That Boba Fett is killed by a wild swing ruins our suspension of disbelief because it means Boba Fett isn’t actually as scary as everyone treated him. Boba Fett's death demonstrates that we can't trust the judgement of the movies' characters. And even that would be okay if the audience had any indication that Boba Fett was somehow pretending to be scary and that his absurd death was his comeuppance, but there’s none of that.

I saw it as a poignant statement about the fundamental meaninglessness of modern war: you can be the best soldier in the world, doesn't matter, you can still die so easily by pure bad luck.
 
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