[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[AvianBritish]

I enjoy playing with unique improvements. I wish there were more of them. Granada's is the shiz bang.

Unique tile improvements are the best! I love having huge stilt villages in the form of Kumpungs, or a huge Outback Station going as far as the eye can see, or a huge Great wall stretching from one coast of my empire to the other lining my whole land boarder, or Nubian pyramids dotted through out a desert between small "towns" of districts, rows and rows of chateaus either side of the river next to wonders and luxuries, or stepwells in puzzling positions to get adjacency next to farms and holy sites.

Unique and interesting tile improvements are my most favourite thing in Civ6. Working out nice little puzzles to get the most out of each tile improvement and making your whole empire look vastly unique by taking full advantage of your tile improvements. All of the districts bore me with the acceptation of Khmer's Aqueduct and I can imagine Korea's Seowon will also satisfy me. adjacency bonuses are the best thing to come into Civ6; and I hope they continue to add more and more for each Civ because for me they are the most fun.

 

[Kimiimaro]

The Third one if I wanted a Classical era civ I'm going for the Celts, Palmyra, Carthage, or Gaul.

But Gauls are Celts. They were Celtic people living in Gaul, current France. Although I'd much rather have Gauls Vercingetorix! as a Civ than Civ V Celts abomination.

 

[Zaarin]

But Gauls are Celts. They were Celtic people living in Gaul, current France. Although I'd much rather have Gauls Vercingetorix! as a Civ than Civ V Celts abomination.

I think that's what they meant: either a Celtic blob civilization or Gaul. I'm still hoping to see "The Celts" retired in favor of Gaul.

 

[Kimiimaro]

I think that's what they meant: either a Celtic blob civilization or Gaul. I'm still hoping to see "The Celts" retired in favor of Gaul.

That wouldn't be the first time I got someone wrong

And yeah, also hoping for Gauls instead of Celts. Come on, Firaxis, do you want a man who united the Gauls against Rome, created an organised army and became a formidable enemy of Ceasar or a woman who sacked some Roman cities with luck and angry mob?

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Additionally it would be nice for some bonuses for mountain adjacency for these UI's and/or for the Georgian UA something related to mountains.

Given their actual locations, the small fortifications represented by the Svaneti/Khevsureti 'towers' should be buildable on Hill Tiles with Adjacency Bonuses for neighboring Hills or Mountains

 

[Zaarin]

That wouldn't be the first time I got someone wrong

And yeah, also hoping for Gauls instead of Celts. Come on, Firaxis, do you want a man who united the Gauls against Rome, created an organised army and became a formidable enemy of Ceasar or a woman who sacked some Roman cities with luck and angry mob?

That's a little unfair to the real Boudicca, who nearly made Rome abandon Britain before her uprising was quelled. I think the real Boudicca was a fascinating woman--I'm just tired of her stereotyped representation in Civ, not to mention that the Britons didn't even compare in significance to the Gauls.

 

[clapyourhands]

IMO unique improvements are just as impactful as any other kind of unique. A weak UI usually results from it being too situational or lackluster, but the same can be said for any sort of unique; if anything, UIs have the added bonus of making a civ's cities very distinctive by giving them a signature look that spans multiple tiles rather than a single one--kampungs, the Great Wall, and outback stations are great examples of this. France's chateau has the weakness of being difficult to place, which I agree is something that should be addressed; but +4 Culture -> +4 Tourism with Flight is a solid boost in theory, if it could be built more consistently. I do like the idea of fancy chateaus dotting the French countryside in-game.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

I am pretty sure the next first look is going to be the Cree and if it was to follow the path like Christmas, it's first look is going to also be on Wednesday. For the remaining 4, I'm going to take a guess it'll be the Incans since we need someone other than Brazil in South America. Georgia since Tamar may be the leader that can play the ages well.

The Third one if I wanted a Classical era civ I'm going for the Celts, Palmyra, Carthage, or Gaul. Celts my pick would be Boudicca and my guess on Boudicca's Leader ability is that she could put extra Loyalty pressure on Opposing civ cities causing them more likely to revolt or flip the city into her favor. As for Gaul I would say Vercingetorix would lead it and Gaul is going to appear in Civ for the first time if they do appear in Rise and Fall. Palmyra is another new civ in the series if it shows up, it's leader Zenobia will fit Rise and Fall. Carthage not too sure who the leader would be and not too sure if Dido could fit in Rise and fall's theme.

and the last leader, tough choice, I'd say it's most likely the Ottomans since they are heavily requested but I'm open to anything on the last civ.

Won't be Carthage, as we have already seen it as a City State in their R&F videos. After Cree, I am hoping Inca, then Mali or Zulu, then Georgia, then Polynesia.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

That's a little unfair to the real Boudicca, who nearly made Rome abandon Britain before her uprising was quelled. I think the real Boudicca was a fascinating woman--I'm just tired of her stereotyped representation in Civ, not to mention that the Britons didn't even compare in significance to the Gauls.

What is hilariously ironic is that Boudicca was, originally, the latest in a long line of loyal Romano-Britons.....until the most recent Governor of Briton decided to act like a brutal, petty dictator for no reason! He did all he could to piss off Boudicca & her people.

 

[Lord Lakely]

With the release of Chandragupta, it would be a perfect opportunity to buff the Stepwell.

It's already indirectly buffed thanks to the loyalty mechanic. India can have bigger cities and bigger cities means that you'll do the pressuring instead of being pressured yourself. This is also why I think Khmer and Kongo are going to be much stronger in this expansion (and Kongo were already ridiculous to begin with.)

 

[Lord Lakely]

We already know Boudicca is still a Great General, thank God.

Boadicea is EPIC hdu (although her Civ5 portrayal was some Braveheart-style, wardrobe-malfuctioning, grease-painted, amorphous, clichématronic, ahistorical lump of whale blubber, I agreek). Just make her lead the Brittonic Celts (or "Britons") and focus on specifically Brittonic culture (even as an alt leader for England! why not?) and you're good. However,...

I think that's what they meant: either a Celtic blob civilization or Gaul. I'm still hoping to see "The Celts" retired in favor of Gaul.

...this is definitely what I'm hoping for if not for this expansion, then definitely in the next. Firaxis seem to be returnee-averse when it comes down to picking leaders, so having a Celtic civilization centered around Gaul (it can still be called "Celts" just fine, which is how the Romans called them, after all) with Vercingetorix as the leader would be both innovative and out there. It would be foolish to miss out on such an opportunity, I think.

 

[Zaarin]

What is hilariously ironic is that Boudicca was, originally, the latest in a long line of loyal Romano-Britons.....until the most recent Governor of Briton decided to act like a brutal, petty dictator for no reason! He did all he could to piss off Boudicca & her people.

Which is another reason I object to her inclusion: an accurate portrayal of Boudicca would have her dressed like a typical Roman matron, not the 18th century noble savage her previous incarnations have shown her as.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Won't be Carthage, as we have already seen it as a City State in their R&F videos. After Cree, I am hoping Inca, then Mali or Zulu, then Georgia, then Polynesia.

We haven't seen Carthage as a city-state. It's the last militaristic one we haven't seen.

 

[Zaarin]

Boadicea is EPIC hdu (although her Civ5 portrayal was some Braveheart-style, wardrobe-malfuctioning, grease-painted, amorphous, clichématronic, ahistorical lump of whale blubber, I agreek). Just make her lead the Brittonic Celts (or "Britons") and focus on specifically Brittonic culture (even as an alt leader for England! why not?) and you're good. However,...



...this is definitely what I'm hoping for if not for this expansion, then definitely in the next. Firaxis seem to be returnee-averse when it comes down to picking leaders, so having a Celtic civilization centered around Gaul (it can still be called "Celts" just fine, which is how the Romans called them, after all) with Vercingetorix as the leader would be both innovative and out there. It would be foolish to miss out on such an opportunity, I think.

I did say the real Boudicca was a fascinating woman--I'm just sick of her trite stereotyped Civ depictions in both Civ4 and especially Civ5. (As an aside, Keltoi is the Greek term, which got Latinized as Celtae, but the Romans referred to them as Gallii, which is cognate. I'd much rather see them called Gauls, which has the advantage of being specific and what they called themselves.)

 

[magha77]

Add the pier to a unique district that probably won’t happen as well. I believe we will get the Ottomans with a bazaar in this expansionwith the Zulu later with an Ikanda as a unique encampment. Mali and Italy could get unique buildings.

I would love to have these civs added. But you don’t think Italy/Venice would get a unique harbor district. Seems perfect for Venice and I don’t know why but my first thought when seeing the plague doctor in the trailer was Venice.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I'm not sure if Venice would merit a UD, but their UA should allow them to build any (non-Encampment) district on Coastal tiles (with the same requirements as the Dutch Polder; three lowland adjecent tiles or more). A Canal UI or an Arsenal UB (replacing the shipyard) would take my preference.

I don't know why but to me a full-blown Italian Civ would almost beg for a unique Government District. Especially if it's Italy at the time of their unification, led by either Cavour or Garibaldi (with Turin as the capital)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I would love to have these civs added. But you don’t think Italy/Venice would get a unique harbor district. Seems perfect for Venice and I don’t know why but my first thought when seeing the plague doctor in the trailer was Venice.

I personally would rather see a unified Italy Civ over Venice and that is why I left out a unique harbor district. Besides, we already have one and I'm not sure if we will get multiples of districts. I have mentioned before they could get a galleria (art museum). A unique government district could go to them as well or save that for the Byzantines.

 

[God of Kings]

I'm not sure if Venice would merit a UD, but their UA should allow them to build any (non-Encampment) district on Coastal tiles (with the same requirements as the Dutch Polder; three lowland adjecent tiles or more). A Canal UI or an Arsenal UB (replacing the shipyard) would take my preference.

I don't know why but to me a full-blown Italian Civ would almost beg for a unique Government District. Especially if it's Italy at the time of their unification, led by either Cavour or Garibaldi (with Turin as the capital)

Italy would be excellent for a unique Government Plaza.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Italy would be excellent for a unique Government Plaza.

Let me guess, it's unique ability is that it forces you to change government every X-turns?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.....the instability of Italy's post WWII governments is the stuff of legend!

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

It wouldn't be much fun to have a unique version of a district that you only build once.