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Role Play Challenge: GREED THREE!!!

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by madscientist, Aug 4, 2008.

  1. vicawoo

    vicawoo Chieftain

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    Considering montezuma had longbows, you didn't have to tech feudalism. Also, if you had traded currency to montezuma for mathematics and polytheism, you could have then traded code of laws for construction, then bribed isabella to war with code of laws
     
  2. bestje

    bestje Big Game Hunter

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    Sounds like good advice from CivCorpse.
    Definitely take out Peter first as it keeps your borders as small as possible and his cities maintenance will be less than Izzy's. He's also bigger than her so is the greater threat

    Sorry if this is a bit belated, i've been away and its taken me a while to catch up but I wanted to say I hope everything is going ok for you in RL.
     
  3. Lekdevil.NL

    Lekdevil.NL Chieftain

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    Looking at the save, I'm a bit concerned that you don't seem to have any dedicated military production cities. The two cities with the highest production at the moment are Chinook and Awdaghost, and those are all the way back North, a long way away from the front.

    I'd say Niani is a good city to convert to all-out production. Hills, river and just about enough food (not quite, but enough). That would mean, however, that you'd need to *gasp* destroy its town and villages and covert those to farms and watermills. You might also want to reassign the stone tile to it. Build the Heroic epic there and away you go!
     
  4. Lekdevil.NL

    Lekdevil.NL Chieftain

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    Also, two enemy wonders you might want to keep in mind:



    Bring plenty of siege weapons or city-revolting spies.

    And, everyone's favourite:



    All the way South in Madrid. How nice.

    And one more thing: be aware that Peter is the Apostolic Palace resident (the building itself is in Madrid, by the way). You might want to start your war against him right after an AP vote, so you don't run into unfortunate "stop the fighting" resolutions.
     
  5. cripp7

    cripp7 Playin' Bored

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    why not put more EP's towards Liz and steal the techs you need instead of trading? Isn't part of greed getting what you want for FREE!?.
    Cripp
     
  6. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    GREED THREE!!!: Part VI

    Not much fireworks here, and a fairly short round. Just setting the stage and wetting everyone's appetite.

    The techpath: Gunpowder/Banking/Replaceable Parts/rifling

    Yeah, you all can see where we are going.

    First the AP vote comes up



    And we get elected head of the AP. Good, noone can stop a war unless we propse it.

    As promised we sent several caravels out in search of future victums. And found three







    None like us to start, but then again apparently they do NOT like each other. Also Isabella takes an instant hatred of those heathens and by the end of the segment she declared war on Ragnar and sent boatloads of troops to convert the heathens to the true faith.!

    We did not open borders with anyone, and looking at tech



    We are not missing much.

    The Glance view of the diplomatic situation.



    Now looking at commerce income, as Peter is in mercantilism



    So 30 something commerce we are getting from foreign trade. OK, mercantilism makes sense here, so we swap especially since we are running representation.



    We settled one more city to the north, to claim the crabs and silver



    We popped another GE giving us the two we need.



    We now line up all merchants in Timbuktu to force out a GM next, hopefully.

    At this point Isabella went off on her religious quest, bringing her dog Monty with her.



    FINALLY



    We tech rifling with 5000+ gold for upgrades and the Police state option from the pyramids.

    The view of our continent.



    I am looking at a smaller attack from the north to Navrograd and a strong attack from the west against Monty's former city.

    The other continent



    Our cities



    And finally the tech situation



    Peter seams determined to beeline towards constitution to giv ehis peaople representation. That's OK, the mali already have it and they have the guns to bring it to the Russians.

    So next

    1) War against the Russians
    2) Tech: Astronomy/Scientific Method/Physics for the free Great Scientist
    3) NO trades!!!! Isabella has some useful techs, but I think we want to jkeep her behind for a bit.
    4) Finish teh continent by attacking Isabella and Monty.

    The look arround and see what resources we "need" still from the other continent!
     
  7. royal62184

    royal62184 Prince

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    Wow what a tease, get up to the point where you can annihilate some people and leave us hanging. j/k good round!
     
  8. Joshua368

    Joshua368 Warmongering builder

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    Rifles vs. longbows? Sounds like it's gonna be fun. :)
     
  9. SirLamphead

    SirLamphead Prince

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    I have some suggestions for your attack plan. I hope they might assist you but this is the attack plan I might use.

    The first picture is if you decide to have 2 large stacks (longer time to produce but may yield better results). This would cripple their economy greatly.

    The second picture is if you decide for just 1 stack which most people would probably go with (the single stack). This would cut the Russians in two which would hamper their ability to counter-attack.

    Any comments on my pictures are welcome.
     

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  10. Commodore Nate

    Commodore Nate Warlord

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    Why not go for both :lol:
    The AI doesn't handle multi-front wars well, and some scouting will be able to tell how big each defending stack is. Stacks that advance quicker than others can put Moscow under siege sooner. And should any one city provide stiffer resistance than the others, there will be a stack on hand for all cities to reinforce.
     
  11. SirLamphead

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    I proposed both options for discussion, however 2 stacks would take longer to produce which may allow Peter to catch up in tech to put up a greater resistance.
     
  12. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Proposal 1 is what I have in mind. The east stack is already built and just needs some upgrade. Stack 2 has the seige and mounted force but needs some rifles. Also I need some spies to speed things along.

    Thanks for the advice! Glad to see someone else propose the attack plan I was considering myself!
     
  13. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    GREED THREEE!!! Part VII
    Next round rolling along, with yet ANOTHER strategic question!

    Techpath was pretty simple: astronomy/Scientific Method/ start Physics which we should get to first even at the anemic 20% science rate (more on that later).

    First thing, Mansa Musa was convinced to throw a crowbar into his wallet and upgrade those CR III Shield promoted swords to rifles!



    Also, Monty's former capital looks to be able to punch out a GP after Timbuktu's next, so since we are in caste system and Monty does have some culture pressure on the city, we readjusted the specialists a bit



    Perhaps that would be enough to pop out a Great Artist from there!

    We progressed to building militarily exclusively except for a Heroic Epic city. I decided on



    As the site. Plenty of production and some chain irrigation will give it enough food. Also once we have a factory and power the military production will be great and we need less food!.

    WE are ready for WAR!

    Our Western front



    and the northern



    Then we dial up Peter.



    Payback is a . .. .. .. .. . Peter, Paybask is a . .. .. .. .. ..

    Diplomacy



    Hmmm, not much of it.

    Oh, by the way Ragnar DoW'd on us also.



    Too bad he doesn't have astronomy, or even optics.

    well, back to the matter at hand, Peter the not so Great.


    Peter committed most of his troops to attacking the eastern force. However, we had a strong number of spies arround which took the culture defense down fast and



    ALOT more efficient than barrage from seige weapons.

    In fatc we did the same thing on Navrograd.



    We popped another GP!



    For those of you keeping score at home, we have 1 GS, 2 GEs, 2 GMs, 1 free GS due at Physics. All we need is a GA!

    The espionage screen still shows we have planty of eps left for Peter



    OK, the nextphase of the war shows three main attack forces, remnants of the first two and a smaller one for Rostov.



    Moscow quickly falls



    Which nicely comes with alot of useful buildings although 2 obsoleted wonders.



    The next target also falls easily.



    Rostov did not fall as easy, we needed some reinfircements to take it, but fall it did!



    OK that's 5 Russian cities in our hands. We swapped to slavery to whip away those ticked off Russian citizans!

    So here is where we are



    Peter is ready to capitulate, but do we want him????

    Before you all say to just destroy him, let's consider.

    First techs.



    Doing well but Isabella is ahead of us.

    So let's consider Peter as a Vassal

    1) With the same religion, Bureacracy, and open borders he should be back to at least pleased and be willing to trade.
    2) He can be a strong ally against Monty and Isabella in teh upcoming war.
    3) With this number of cities for him he can still tech pretty well for us.
    4) We can demand any needed resources from him for our corps!
    5) We have someone to spread corps to once we get them.

    So as you can see I am favoring vassaling Peter. The biggest issue is potentially having Peter found his own corps as he has corporation already. Just need to make sure he stays away from Biology and Railroad until we have them!

    Oh, and we need a good wall street city for the major corps!

    Oh, one more thing. Anyone see a reason to make peace with Ragnar????? If Peter capitulates we get the mutual war diplo point bonus.
     
  14. SirLamphead

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    I usually vassalize as soon as possible to move on to the next target. I say let him capitulate. And don't you mean Medicine for Sid's Sushi or do I have my corps messed up?
    You can however order him around if he is your vassal to reseacrh dummie techs.
    A prolonged war will be too costly on shields so I go with Vassalize him.
    Keep warring with Ragnar. The boost is good.
    What city of yours generates the most money?
    I would suggest founding the corps there and build Wall Street there, isn't Timbuktu the Commerce Capitol?
     
  15. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Yes medicine for Sid's, but my thinking is to prevent Biology and thus prevent Peter getting Medicine via a trade.

    The most gold is probably Timbuktu or Dejenne. Timbuktu has the NE already, so I think it's more dependent on which city gets Oxford. DeJenne looks like a good candidate for OxFord and Wall Street will let us pump out Great Merchants post corps for even more gold via missiona.

    Lastly we need to have 2 cities for corps, maybe three as they do compete with each other. Once the continent is secure I'll make a nice list to see what competes with what and which resources we need.
     
  16. semirami

    semirami The Wolf

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    Sushi, Cereal and Ethanol, each HQ must be in different city, that's why you need at least 3 cities
     
  17. Ormur

    Ormur Prince

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    What about that holy city you control? You also have to decide beforehand which corporations you are going to put in your Wall Street city.

    Creative constructions, Aluminum. Sid Sushi and the Diamond one can all go to the same city but it all depends on how much you are going to spread them.
     
  18. NintendoTogepi

    NintendoTogepi Noble Pacifist

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    Don't capuilate, it isn't worth it. Destroy Peter! :D
     
  19. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    GREED THREE!!!: Part VIII

    A long segment with plenty od screenshots here!

    First of all, a request from Isabella which we simply cannot refuse!



    Score some Brownie points here. The chief reason is we decided to take a few more Russian cities and I do not need Peter vassaling to Isabella and getting into a war with her and Monty.

    So we march arrounf taking two more cities.





    And a view of the south shows



    A nice clear path to Spanish lands!

    NOW we take peace and vassal Peter.



    As expected, Peter is pleased right away, we open borders, make some resource trades and make this tech trade.



    OK a little generous to Peter, but we shall outtech him real soon. In fact I told him to tech Military tradition and he still had not finished by the end of the segment.

    We used the AP vote to screw arround with Isabella a bit, forcing her and MONTY into a war with Ragnar.



    OK, Isabella is at war with hammarabi/Mehmed/Ragnar and soon with us. An overextended lady.

    Another trade with Peter.



    We begin moving our troops to one central city to strike Issabella and Monty at once

    Readjust civics



    And declare war on Isabella



    We took peace with Ragnar to concentrate on Isabella.

    As you can see we have some serious culture pressure issues, but not for long



    Now this is not a walk in the park, Monty and Isabella both have grenaders so we have to tred carefully. Monty put up more of a fight.



    But the thing about grenaders is they defend poorly against attacking rifles. I wasted a few trebs then simply attacked MONTY. His stack of grenaders fell in a few turns and we sent an attack group to Monty's new capital from his rear.

    But first we took Barcelona.



    Which also included



    Several wonders AND the Church of the Nativity. Not well spread and we have Scientific Method so not monestaries. Next round I need to swap to OR and spread Christianity a bit.

    Now back to MONTY



    We took another smaller Spanish city.



    Leaving Isabella with a few very southern cities and some off the coast ones.

    Meanwhile Monty was down to two cities.



    Which led to



    I immediately set Monty to teching Military Tradition.
     
  20. DMOC

    DMOC Mathematician

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    Timbuktu should probably be the Oxford city or something.
     

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