StormLord-711-
Winter is Coming
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Ok, so I'm going to stop musing and start playing again. One last thing though 
: why do the barbarian civs (i.e. Celtia and Spain) have so much better starts than everyone else? In my opinion, they have the two best starts on the map, with the Spanish having three (three!) food resources and two silver and the Celts having two food resources, gems, and nearby stone and salt (which gives +1 
and +1 :health with some buildings, as well as enabling some other buildings). Probably the barbarian cities that start with the regular civs are given the same priority as the regular ones.
2206BC:
Someone built the Great Wall
Also, I built the Great Wall of Text in 2011AD in the city of Thispost. (Edit: the next three posts were originally all one, so it really was a great wall, probably mighty enough to keep the trolls out.)
Lamrek, Captain of the Guard, 2206BC
The Celts have sent an army from their more distant land. I believe from scouting reports that they are using a similar military doctrine, with spears supplemented by archers, like my predecessor Lysaros faced. Unfortunately, I will have to divert some men to face them. Our men are mostly trained to use the bow, but that may bode well since spears are designed to hold off nearby men, not archers! Many of our men leading the frontlines are very skilled at hiding in the woods, so I think we should be able to keep them at bay. Hattusas barely has enough men left there among all the women and children, but I wish they could send reinforcements! It will indeed be many years before it regains its former glory. Perhaps we can take some Celtic slaves.
Since Kanesh is working its silk, my economy isn't doing too bad (18
/turn), so I think I can afford another unit or two to regain access to the rice that Spain is blocking. Fortunately, I don't really need it yet, since that slave revolt killed two of my population four city (I couldn't calm it with 
and only lose one population, I didn't have enough of it). I can work the two farms (4
each) until I have population 3 and still have some production due to having a village hall in Hattusas, which gives a free specialist (at the cost of maintenance). This will be a slave "specialist".
Jailonkin, Chieftain of the Hittities, 2115BC
The Khmer have declared war on us. Considering that we're already at war with our two closest neighbors, I don't see this as a threat. I suspect our enemies allied with them and the war is only a means to show their alliance, so they might not even send a token attack force.
Lamrek, Captain of the Guard [2050BC]
The Spanish forces have moved northwest, possibly hoping to rendezvous with their Celtic allies. I send men northward to recapture our rice fields they have long controlled and decide that allowing them to rendezvous may actually help us since we won't have to fight in two areas of our lands.
Lamrek, Captain of the Guard [2000BC]
The Spanish and Celtic armies have rendezvoused in a valley in the midst of the Hills of Hattusas. I will try to hold on to our rice fields and keep them from moving deeper into our territory.
By this point, I have just been using several archers and the very defensive terrain around me to block enemy movement and defend improvements that I really need. This isn't really a dangerous army, just a spearman and archer from both Spain and Celtia. My cities are in no danger as long as I can move archers into them when they are under threat.
Sarvos, Captain of the Guard, 1985BC
We have always fought off the Celts and Spanish, but this is not good. I have reports of another Celtic army opening up a new front north of Kanesh. They seem to have a few wheeled platforms of some sort that I've never encountered before, so I'm trying to send some spears up north to keep them away from our archers.
That is a chariot (a well-promoted warlord one) and spearman approaching. How do they have chariots anyway? What are they drawn by? There are no horses on this continent. Maybe they are drawn by pigs, which they Celts have.
(Technically they were given the chariot when they settled down, but I wish there was a check done to ensure that horses were at least nearby first.)
Sarvos, Captain of the Guard, [1972BC]
Our men in the north report that the enemy is moving around a force that we have defending the lands between Kanesh and Mount Jarvek, the mountain east-northeast of it. That will give us the time we need to reinforce Kanesh. Meanwhile, the Celtic-Spanish army in the south has started moving northward.
Sankrelot, Cheiftain of the Hittites [1946BC]
Now that I have had Sarvos beheaded and we have found a new Captain of the Guard, my rage has quelled enough to begin writing. Kanesh has been utterly destroyed by the Celtic army in the north. They had plowed through our troops between there and Mount Jarvek, and then took Kanesh and razed it. We may still win this war, but at what a cost! I will soon send reinforcements to seek vengeance on the Celtic army there, seeing that at least they are battered from fighting us. We will triumph yet in this war.
Meanwhile, the Spanish are expanding towards the coastline to our south.
So that small Celtic stack took me by surprise, but in all fairness, their chariot attacks with a strength of 6 (more than a match for an unpromoted archer, even in a city), and my military strength was devoted to the south. That's ok. Hattusas's borders will expand again in 18 turns, giving me access to those shrimp. This will also let me build a couple other buildings that help food production, so I can easily get a settler over there again. It also looks like the Spanish have founded a city right on the copper (and there are only two of those on the continent), which is a poor spot in my opinion. The Vikings have also founded another city (and their revolt is probably over by now but I hope it will come back).
An unnamed Hittite soldier [1933BC]
After a battle with the Celts, they were routed, but most of them hastily withdrew. Afterwards we regrouped and pursued them, delivering a crushing defeat. We captured a mighty warlord known as Schwarzkopf, who we delivered to Hattusas. I hear that Sankrelot had him executed as an example to all who oppose us and to take vengeance for their destruction of Kanesh. My friends tell me that we are having success keeping the enemy at bay towards the south and that we are joining them soon since this front has collapsed.
I'm using a setting that lets withdrawing troops do a defensive withdraw. That's what that Celtic chariot did, but he wasn't able to escape.
1881BC:
Change of plans! Something tells me that I need to change my strategy:
I was thinking that that Spanish stack would remain defensive, like they usually do, but now I have to fight them. Here's what I'll have to do. I will suspend researching Math and will switch to Ceremonial Burial, which is a cheaper tech that neither the Celts nor the Spanish have, and use it to sue for peace. It probably would have been better if I had done that in the first place, but that is not something that I think normally works well in my games. An annoying situation has slowly turned rotten and I'll try to save it. Even if I have to hole up my whole army in Hattusas while all of my land is pillaged, I have four workers and will be able to work that shrimp soon (which is currently unpillageable, being on a ocean tile).
Arabia still hasn't founded another city, leading me to hope that they are doing poorly. That would mean that at the very least, I could probably still found like three cities north of me and try to salvage this situation.
1790BC:
Someone's founded Naghualism (before Confucianism, strangely). What I described before is pretty much what is happening, which the Spanish stack right outside my city and both Spain and Celtia pillaging away. The Celts have sent a couple units as reinforcements.
1712BC:
My borders have expanded and I grabbed the shrimp. The Spanish keep acting like they're going to settle a new city somewhere north of that silver but it seems like they can't decide where since they keep moving around.
1673BC:
Someone had earlier founded Confucianism and now the Celts converted to it- it was them. They also just captured and razed Shangian, forever changing politics in the South.
1608BC:
Arabia is now Confucian. I have finished Ceremonial Burial and am ready to trade it. The Spanish will accept it for peace but the Celts won't. I have also attached a save of the game at this point, in case someone now or in the future wants the challenge of growing the Hittites from a small city state to a mighty empire. It is a good point to start. (Hint: The pen is mightier than the sword, and your enemies have more swords. Okay, spears, whatever.
).
Lalivladstok, Chieftain of the Hittites, 1595BC
I have made peace with the Spanish. Both they and we are tired of our fighting, and I gave them very favorable conditions in our peace treaty, ensuring them good borders and our acceptance of any lands they choose to expand into. We are still at war with the Celts, but after several major battles, have pushed them out of our territory. The fighting was fierce, with many losses on both sides, but they lost more and we now have complete control of our lands for the first time since the ancients. Despite having to contend against any future aggression from Bibracte and Madrid, I think we can expand and be successful.
Lalivladstok, Chieftain of the Hittites, 1569BC
The Spanish have expanded into the lands north of us. There is little I can do about it, since our peace treaty allows it. Many of our people still reside in that area even though it is not formally under our nation's control anymore. I hope they will overthrow the Spanish there later.
Spain! What were you thinking?!? That is a horrible city spot compared to the one I had before. Silk gives 6 with an improvement! Now I will have to later raze Seville when it's mine. Besides, I can probably isolate it now that those workers chopped down that rainforest. (I think maybe my culture will take effect there now, although I'm not sure. This realistic culture spread option is hard to get used to.) Also, most of that area is under my culture, making Seville even harder for the Spanish to keep (it will be very likely to revolt). There will be some interesting events happening in the future.
Here's the save I mentioned before. Kanesh has been razed! As the leader of your people, can you lead the Hittite City State to victory and expand their nation? Can you stop the evil Spanish from resettling the lands north of you? If someone tries this and does better than me, or just ends up with a completely different story, let me know!
: why do the barbarian civs (i.e. Celtia and Spain) have so much better starts than everyone else? In my opinion, they have the two best starts on the map, with the Spanish having three (three!) food resources and two silver and the Celts having two food resources, gems, and nearby stone and salt (which gives +1 and +1 :health with some buildings, as well as enabling some other buildings). Probably the barbarian cities that start with the regular civs are given the same priority as the regular ones.2206BC:
Someone built the Great Wall
Also, I built the Great Wall of Text in 2011AD in the city of Thispost. (Edit: the next three posts were originally all one, so it really was a great wall, probably mighty enough to keep the trolls out.)
Lamrek, Captain of the Guard, 2206BC
The Celts have sent an army from their more distant land. I believe from scouting reports that they are using a similar military doctrine, with spears supplemented by archers, like my predecessor Lysaros faced. Unfortunately, I will have to divert some men to face them. Our men are mostly trained to use the bow, but that may bode well since spears are designed to hold off nearby men, not archers! Many of our men leading the frontlines are very skilled at hiding in the woods, so I think we should be able to keep them at bay. Hattusas barely has enough men left there among all the women and children, but I wish they could send reinforcements! It will indeed be many years before it regains its former glory. Perhaps we can take some Celtic slaves.
Since Kanesh is working its silk, my economy isn't doing too bad (18
/turn), so I think I can afford another unit or two to regain access to the rice that Spain is blocking. Fortunately, I don't really need it yet, since that slave revolt killed two of my population four city (I couldn't calm it with and only lose one population, I didn't have enough of it). I can work the two farms (4 each) until I have population 3 and still have some production due to having a village hall in Hattusas, which gives a free specialist (at the cost of maintenance). This will be a slave "specialist".Jailonkin, Chieftain of the Hittities, 2115BC
The Khmer have declared war on us. Considering that we're already at war with our two closest neighbors, I don't see this as a threat. I suspect our enemies allied with them and the war is only a means to show their alliance, so they might not even send a token attack force.
Lamrek, Captain of the Guard [2050BC]
The Spanish forces have moved northwest, possibly hoping to rendezvous with their Celtic allies. I send men northward to recapture our rice fields they have long controlled and decide that allowing them to rendezvous may actually help us since we won't have to fight in two areas of our lands.
Lamrek, Captain of the Guard [2000BC]
The Spanish and Celtic armies have rendezvoused in a valley in the midst of the Hills of Hattusas. I will try to hold on to our rice fields and keep them from moving deeper into our territory.
By this point, I have just been using several archers and the very defensive terrain around me to block enemy movement and defend improvements that I really need. This isn't really a dangerous army, just a spearman and archer from both Spain and Celtia. My cities are in no danger as long as I can move archers into them when they are under threat.
Sarvos, Captain of the Guard, 1985BC
We have always fought off the Celts and Spanish, but this is not good. I have reports of another Celtic army opening up a new front north of Kanesh. They seem to have a few wheeled platforms of some sort that I've never encountered before, so I'm trying to send some spears up north to keep them away from our archers.
That is a chariot (a well-promoted warlord one) and spearman approaching. How do they have chariots anyway? What are they drawn by? There are no horses on this continent. Maybe they are drawn by pigs, which they Celts have.
(Technically they were given the chariot when they settled down, but I wish there was a check done to ensure that horses were at least nearby first.)Sarvos, Captain of the Guard, [1972BC]
Our men in the north report that the enemy is moving around a force that we have defending the lands between Kanesh and Mount Jarvek, the mountain east-northeast of it. That will give us the time we need to reinforce Kanesh. Meanwhile, the Celtic-Spanish army in the south has started moving northward.
Sankrelot, Cheiftain of the Hittites [1946BC]
Now that I have had Sarvos beheaded and we have found a new Captain of the Guard, my rage has quelled enough to begin writing. Kanesh has been utterly destroyed by the Celtic army in the north. They had plowed through our troops between there and Mount Jarvek, and then took Kanesh and razed it. We may still win this war, but at what a cost! I will soon send reinforcements to seek vengeance on the Celtic army there, seeing that at least they are battered from fighting us. We will triumph yet in this war.
Meanwhile, the Spanish are expanding towards the coastline to our south.
So that small Celtic stack took me by surprise, but in all fairness, their chariot attacks with a strength of 6 (more than a match for an unpromoted archer, even in a city), and my military strength was devoted to the south. That's ok. Hattusas's borders will expand again in 18 turns, giving me access to those shrimp. This will also let me build a couple other buildings that help food production, so I can easily get a settler over there again. It also looks like the Spanish have founded a city right on the copper (and there are only two of those on the continent), which is a poor spot in my opinion. The Vikings have also founded another city (and their revolt is probably over by now but I hope it will come back).
An unnamed Hittite soldier [1933BC]
After a battle with the Celts, they were routed, but most of them hastily withdrew. Afterwards we regrouped and pursued them, delivering a crushing defeat. We captured a mighty warlord known as Schwarzkopf, who we delivered to Hattusas. I hear that Sankrelot had him executed as an example to all who oppose us and to take vengeance for their destruction of Kanesh. My friends tell me that we are having success keeping the enemy at bay towards the south and that we are joining them soon since this front has collapsed.
I'm using a setting that lets withdrawing troops do a defensive withdraw. That's what that Celtic chariot did, but he wasn't able to escape.
1881BC:
Change of plans! Something tells me that I need to change my strategy:
Spoiler :
I was thinking that that Spanish stack would remain defensive, like they usually do, but now I have to fight them. Here's what I'll have to do. I will suspend researching Math and will switch to Ceremonial Burial, which is a cheaper tech that neither the Celts nor the Spanish have, and use it to sue for peace. It probably would have been better if I had done that in the first place, but that is not something that I think normally works well in my games. An annoying situation has slowly turned rotten and I'll try to save it. Even if I have to hole up my whole army in Hattusas while all of my land is pillaged, I have four workers and will be able to work that shrimp soon (which is currently unpillageable, being on a ocean tile).
Arabia still hasn't founded another city, leading me to hope that they are doing poorly. That would mean that at the very least, I could probably still found like three cities north of me and try to salvage this situation.
1790BC:
Someone's founded Naghualism (before Confucianism, strangely). What I described before is pretty much what is happening, which the Spanish stack right outside my city and both Spain and Celtia pillaging away. The Celts have sent a couple units as reinforcements.
1712BC:
My borders have expanded and I grabbed the shrimp. The Spanish keep acting like they're going to settle a new city somewhere north of that silver but it seems like they can't decide where since they keep moving around.
1673BC:
Someone had earlier founded Confucianism and now the Celts converted to it- it was them. They also just captured and razed Shangian, forever changing politics in the South.
1608BC:
Arabia is now Confucian. I have finished Ceremonial Burial and am ready to trade it. The Spanish will accept it for peace but the Celts won't. I have also attached a save of the game at this point, in case someone now or in the future wants the challenge of growing the Hittites from a small city state to a mighty empire. It is a good point to start. (Hint: The pen is mightier than the sword, and your enemies have more swords. Okay, spears, whatever.
).Lalivladstok, Chieftain of the Hittites, 1595BC
I have made peace with the Spanish. Both they and we are tired of our fighting, and I gave them very favorable conditions in our peace treaty, ensuring them good borders and our acceptance of any lands they choose to expand into. We are still at war with the Celts, but after several major battles, have pushed them out of our territory. The fighting was fierce, with many losses on both sides, but they lost more and we now have complete control of our lands for the first time since the ancients. Despite having to contend against any future aggression from Bibracte and Madrid, I think we can expand and be successful.
Lalivladstok, Chieftain of the Hittites, 1569BC
The Spanish have expanded into the lands north of us. There is little I can do about it, since our peace treaty allows it. Many of our people still reside in that area even though it is not formally under our nation's control anymore. I hope they will overthrow the Spanish there later.
Spoiler :
Spain! What were you thinking?!? That is a horrible city spot compared to the one I had before. Silk gives 6
with an improvement! Now I will have to later raze Seville when it's mine. Besides, I can probably isolate it now that those workers chopped down that rainforest. (I think maybe my culture will take effect there now, although I'm not sure. This realistic culture spread option is hard to get used to.) Also, most of that area is under my culture, making Seville even harder for the Spanish to keep (it will be very likely to revolt). There will be some interesting events happening in the future.Here's the save I mentioned before. Kanesh has been razed! As the leader of your people, can you lead the Hittite City State to victory and expand their nation? Can you stop the evil Spanish from resettling the lands north of you? If someone tries this and does better than me, or just ends up with a completely different story, let me know!
Still interesting though.
in every city instead of +5
per garrison that Chiefdom had). The main reason I chose it over despotism, a similar civic, is that it enables fixed borders, which I'll explain soon. I am the last one on my continent to switch away from Chiefdom.
I'll still need more troops to actually finish the war, even if I get the initiative from starting it, and it would really help to have some iron.
). So if I went to war with Spain, I could take their pigs north of Madrid (which they can't defend anyway except by using transports) and one of their silver. You cannot capture any tiles next to a city, unfortunately. Another very important rule is that forts can claim the tiles next to them.
in Akuwa for each of the four mines, which were forested. I've used them towards buildings that are very financial, boosting the commerce of my empire.
. That is one cool story - I can't believe I haven't noticed it until now! 
) If only I had a decent economy! I feel like I have one of those empires that can build a large army but only a poorly armed one, much like Russia in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Also, those power jumps for Spain, Celtia, and Khmer are probably all due to them converting their garrisons to longbowmen.
theatres bring and also so that I can trade it.
