RR-01 World Conquest
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Hajime said:
Roster:
Hajime - you really are up.
fbouthil - on deck
TimBentley - waiting (im?)patiently
Bede - bench warming
t3h_m013 (the mole) - off digging in a garden somewhere (just kidding
)rrau - just finished and now tackling gotm36
Note: Am not bothering to write down Worker actions anymore.
1250 BC: Did a whole lot of nothing
1225 BC: Persepolis produced Barracks. Set next production to Worker. (Bleed off excess pop.)
Arbela produced Immortals. Set next production to Immortals.
Moved Immortals to Perse - Need the contentment bonus from military units.
Moved the lux slider up 10% to 30% to deal with Perse cit unhappiness.
1200 BC: Noted a Byzantine Spearmen coming into Persian territory, but it was only one, so I didn't bother.
Founded Tyre, the fur city. Set it to producing a worker.
1175 BC: Perse produced worker, set it to producing another to bleed off excess pop.
1150 BC: Perse produced another Worker. Set it to Immortals, lowered science rate to 60% - Phil in 3.
1125 BC: Antioch produces Immortals. Set it to Immortals again.
Sent Antioch immortals to Arbela.
1100 BC: Pasargardae produces Immortals. Set it to Immortals again.
Sidon produces worker. Set it to Temple as a pre-build for what the next player wants, as it can't build anything before my turns end.
Sent Pasar immortals to Arbela.
1075 BC: Learned Phil. Gained Literature as our free tech. Set next tech research to Code of Laws.
1050 BC: Perse built Immortals. Set next build to Temple (Act as pre-build if next player wants it.)
1025 BC: Arbela produces Immortals. Just fortified them.
1000 BC: Antioch produces Immortals. Set it to Immortals again. Sent Immortals to Arbela.
Roster:
fbouthil - Up
TimBentley - On deck
Bede - bench warming
t3h_m013 (the mole) - off digging in a garden somewhere (just kidding )
rrau - just finished and now tackling gotm36
Hajime - Off practicing secret ninja techniques.
Got a stack of Immortals about 6 deep or so in Arbela now. Shouldn't take too much more effort to get us to a point where we can own the Iro's collective asses from what I'm looking at right now.
1250 BC: Did a whole lot of nothing
1225 BC: Persepolis produced Barracks. Set next production to Worker. (Bleed off excess pop.)
Arbela produced Immortals. Set next production to Immortals.
Moved Immortals to Perse - Need the contentment bonus from military units.
Moved the lux slider up 10% to 30% to deal with Perse cit unhappiness.
1200 BC: Noted a Byzantine Spearmen coming into Persian territory, but it was only one, so I didn't bother.
Founded Tyre, the fur city. Set it to producing a worker.
1175 BC: Perse produced worker, set it to producing another to bleed off excess pop.
1150 BC: Perse produced another Worker. Set it to Immortals, lowered science rate to 60% - Phil in 3.
1125 BC: Antioch produces Immortals. Set it to Immortals again.
Sent Antioch immortals to Arbela.
1100 BC: Pasargardae produces Immortals. Set it to Immortals again.
Sidon produces worker. Set it to Temple as a pre-build for what the next player wants, as it can't build anything before my turns end.
Sent Pasar immortals to Arbela.
1075 BC: Learned Phil. Gained Literature as our free tech. Set next tech research to Code of Laws.
1050 BC: Perse built Immortals. Set next build to Temple (Act as pre-build if next player wants it.)
1025 BC: Arbela produces Immortals. Just fortified them.
1000 BC: Antioch produces Immortals. Set it to Immortals again. Sent Immortals to Arbela.
Roster:
fbouthil - Up
TimBentley - On deck
Bede - bench warming
t3h_m013 (the mole) - off digging in a garden somewhere (just kidding )
rrau - just finished and now tackling gotm36
Hajime - Off practicing secret ninja techniques.
Got a stack of Immortals about 6 deep or so in Arbela now. Shouldn't take too much more effort to get us to a point where we can own the Iro's collective asses from what I'm looking at right now.
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fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
@Hajime: It is your turn. So, have you got it or are you upgrading your computer today so you cannot play?
I agree that a war with Iroquois is next on the agenda. Personnally, I have never done an archer war when I had access to better troops, but Bede has a point about trying to delay GA. I would like to try it, but it would be more risky. In any event, we should replace the blocking archers with warriors. We can also build some spearman to replace the archers doing some garrison. If the romans or the mongols decide to attack us, a spearman has a better chance of resisting it.
Persepolis is growing much faster than Sidon. Persepolis should profit from its +5f as much as possible. We still need workers and we need a few settlers to replace the Iroquois cities we will be destroying. There is no way to avoid destroying their cities since they will pop-rush units before we attack them. IMHO, Sidon should start on a barrack instead of a worker and Persepolis switched to settler and then workers for some time.
Edit: Forget that post, Hajime played while I was writing it. Ok. Got it. I will play tonight so that the team has the time to post strategies.
I agree that a war with Iroquois is next on the agenda. Personnally, I have never done an archer war when I had access to better troops, but Bede has a point about trying to delay GA. I would like to try it, but it would be more risky. In any event, we should replace the blocking archers with warriors. We can also build some spearman to replace the archers doing some garrison. If the romans or the mongols decide to attack us, a spearman has a better chance of resisting it.
Persepolis is growing much faster than Sidon. Persepolis should profit from its +5f as much as possible. We still need workers and we need a few settlers to replace the Iroquois cities we will be destroying. There is no way to avoid destroying their cities since they will pop-rush units before we attack them. IMHO, Sidon should start on a barrack instead of a worker and Persepolis switched to settler and then workers for some time.
Edit: Forget that post, Hajime played while I was writing it. Ok. Got it. I will play tonight so that the team has the time to post strategies.
wow that was fast.I think we can trade the philosophy or literature to Byzantines for map making to go meet more civs.
Hajime - just curious, why take lit as our free tech instead of polytheism which would let us start researching monarchy as our next government? I think we had pretty much decided to use that as our government (at least until communism). Right now, I don't think we can take the time to build libraries for a few more turn sets as we're gearing up for war. Also, we don't want to invest the shields in TGL.
Well we have a couple options: trade lit and let someone else build TGL for us, or keep it as a monopoly tech for a few more turns and trade when another tech becomes available - if it's not demanded from us. The AI's are set to be very aggressive and I would prefer not to hang onto techs too long and let this happen as then we lose the benefits from trading it around.
[edit] we're only 3 turns into CoL (still researching at a deficit though). Do we want to waste the beakers and switch to polytheism or wait and see if an AI researches it while we finish CoL?
If memory serves, Lit is worth more to the comp then Poly, Rrau.
Was assuming the intent here was to trade up to Monarchy with the current trend of trading for all techs (Edit) related to Monarchy, as the comp'll get them earlier then we can with our penalties(/edit), and went for techs the comp researches a lot later then Monarchy.
Was assuming the intent here was to trade up to Monarchy with the current trend of trading for all techs (Edit) related to Monarchy, as the comp'll get them earlier then we can with our penalties(/edit), and went for techs the comp researches a lot later then Monarchy.
Ah, crap.
Sorry.
For some reason, Lit being more valuable to the comp then Polytheism is stuck in my head....
There's gotta be a reason. Perhaps it is because the comp doesn't research it, but they go after Poly real fast, reducing Poly's value quickly?
Sorry.
For some reason, Lit being more valuable to the comp then Polytheism is stuck in my head....
There's gotta be a reason. Perhaps it is because the comp doesn't research it, but they go after Poly real fast, reducing Poly's value quickly?
TimBentley
Deity
While avoiding a despotic GA is always preferred, it would not be completely wasted. I'm not sure whether an archer or immortals war would be better at the moment.
The Byzantines currently want more than philosophy and literature for map making, so we'll have to wait until somebody else learns it. We will want to build some galleys to explore some more and try to meet the other continent.
I suspect the AI will research construction before polytheism, but polytheism before code of laws.
The Byzantines currently want more than philosophy and literature for map making, so we'll have to wait until somebody else learns it. We will want to build some galleys to explore some more and try to meet the other continent.
I suspect the AI will research construction before polytheism, but polytheism before code of laws.
i cant remember if we have maths?? i think that an archer war without pults is suicide, so either go for an early GA, or wait for a decent pult stack? what cities are we aiming to take? i would say that we would need only a small stack to take mauch chunk (or whatever its called) and then maybe aim for allegheny and the one E of that... then see what we wanna do after that?
on the imortals/archer front if we use archers we're gonna start getting close to imortals vs pikes, which would be a waste...
on the imortals/archer front if we use archers we're gonna start getting close to imortals vs pikes, which would be a waste...
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
Well, we have 7 immortals already, so I think we have already committed to a war using them. It would take too long to my liking to build pults.
As many of you already know, I have a tendency to start wars and this SG will not be the exception! 
I will move some units around first. The warriors in Antioch and Arbela will be switch by the spears in Persepolis. Persepolis will start producing settlers again to replace the cities I am about to destroy. I would also like to switch a few immortals to spear since they are cheaper to build and I would like a few of them with the immortals. If our attack force gets attacked, then the spear would be attacked first. Between units with the same defense strength, the unit with the lowest attack is the defender. I will try to bring an archer also for the defensive shot.
I think I have to start the war as soon as possible, before the iroquois learn HR. They have 2 horses, so Allegheny should be first, then I would go west in a effort to cut take their second horse. I do not see why we should go after Mauch Chunk right now. It would force us to send forces on the wrong side of our territory.
Should I trade math to iroquois for their worker?
Any suggestions is appreciated.
As many of you already know, I have a tendency to start wars and this SG will not be the exception! I will move some units around first. The warriors in Antioch and Arbela will be switch by the spears in Persepolis. Persepolis will start producing settlers again to replace the cities I am about to destroy. I would also like to switch a few immortals to spear since they are cheaper to build and I would like a few of them with the immortals. If our attack force gets attacked, then the spear would be attacked first. Between units with the same defense strength, the unit with the lowest attack is the defender. I will try to bring an archer also for the defensive shot.I think I have to start the war as soon as possible, before the iroquois learn HR. They have 2 horses, so Allegheny should be first, then I would go west in a effort to cut take their second horse. I do not see why we should go after Mauch Chunk right now. It would force us to send forces on the wrong side of our territory.
Should I trade math to iroquois for their worker?
Any suggestions is appreciated.
Quoth Bede:
Our next tech trades should carry us toward Currency then Monarchy. We will never be able to trade for a government tech without lots of cash and a decent piece of trade bait (Currency).
I would have taken Polytheism from the successful Philo gambit myself as well as it gets us closer ot Monarchy. Try to pull out all the stops to get Polytheism and Currency (trade bait for Monarchy).
Don't trade tech for a slave. Use Persepolis to produce workers and settlers. Slaves are only worth 130g and clutter up the landscape at this stage of the game. As long as we keep founding a new town every 10 turns or so it will be a long time before unit support becomes an issue.
We don't need need a Despot GA. We are not building any wonder so don't need the additional production.
Stack cats and archers and spears in a ratio of 4-3-2 then put some serious hurt on the Iro.
Gordium needs a barracks about as much as I need another wife. It's got no shields till the jungles are cleared. Use Gordium for now as a worker farm. toclear its own jungles, then think about a rax when we know the terrain bonuses or lack thereof.
Our next tech trades should carry us toward Currency then Monarchy. We will never be able to trade for a government tech without lots of cash and a decent piece of trade bait (Currency).
I would have taken Polytheism from the successful Philo gambit myself as well as it gets us closer ot Monarchy. Try to pull out all the stops to get Polytheism and Currency (trade bait for Monarchy).
Don't trade tech for a slave. Use Persepolis to produce workers and settlers. Slaves are only worth 130g and clutter up the landscape at this stage of the game. As long as we keep founding a new town every 10 turns or so it will be a long time before unit support becomes an issue.
We don't need need a Despot GA. We are not building any wonder so don't need the additional production.
Stack cats and archers and spears in a ratio of 4-3-2 then put some serious hurt on the Iro.
Gordium needs a barracks about as much as I need another wife. It's got no shields till the jungles are cleared. Use Gordium for now as a worker farm. toclear its own jungles, then think about a rax when we know the terrain bonuses or lack thereof.
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
@Bede: I initially agreed with posponing the GA, but if you look at what the rest of the team has built, you will see that they disagreed. I think we are too late to turn back.
We lack the spear and pults and if we keep immortals as defensive units in nearby cities, we will get GA when the Iroquois attack and fail. They are very close to having Mounted warriors and going at war with archer-spear-pult against mounted warriors produced twice as fast because of their GA is not a very pleasant prospect. Sorry, I am too chicken.
I would prefer to attack the Iroquois now, and try to prevent them from ever having MW even if that means a GA for us.
I could play after supper. If the team prefers, I could wait until tomorrow so we can discuss this some more. After all, it is a very important decision for the game, so we should make sure the best decision is taken.
Why not have a vote: archers or immortals?
I vote for immortals and Bede for archers. I am not sure what the other players prefer. I suspect rrau & Hajime prefer immortals since they are the ones who built them, but they may have changed their mind.
We definitely should have agreed on this before we started building immortals. I thought it was agreed when we started building archers, but I see it wasn't.
I would prefer if we elaborate strategies before we actually implement them and stick to the team game plan from now on. I think it would be more enjoyable and we could learn from each other. If you are not sure what the game plan is, ask before you play. I hope I don't sound too serious when I say this.
We lack the spear and pults and if we keep immortals as defensive units in nearby cities, we will get GA when the Iroquois attack and fail. They are very close to having Mounted warriors and going at war with archer-spear-pult against mounted warriors produced twice as fast because of their GA is not a very pleasant prospect. Sorry, I am too chicken.
I would prefer to attack the Iroquois now, and try to prevent them from ever having MW even if that means a GA for us.
I could play after supper. If the team prefers, I could wait until tomorrow so we can discuss this some more. After all, it is a very important decision for the game, so we should make sure the best decision is taken.
Why not have a vote: archers or immortals?
I vote for immortals and Bede for archers. I am not sure what the other players prefer. I suspect rrau & Hajime prefer immortals since they are the ones who built them, but they may have changed their mind.
We definitely should have agreed on this before we started building immortals. I thought it was agreed when we started building archers, but I see it wasn't.
I would prefer if we elaborate strategies before we actually implement them and stick to the team game plan from now on. I think it would be more enjoyable and we could learn from each other. If you are not sure what the game plan is, ask before you play. I hope I don't sound too serious when I say this.
Well, when I was building the immortals, I thought we'd get polythiesm as our free tech and not be too far from a government change and would be ready to use them. I definitely don't want a despotic GA, so depending on how everyone votes, our war may be on hold. 
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