RT-01 Triadic Warfare

[Rex Tyrannus]

Not the most promising start, but we'll see. Maybe we have two coppers and iron in our capital, and just past the FOW is a city site with three cows, seven hills, and four gold. Or maybe not.

Discuss settlers and scouts and wars and crap. I'm gonna get to work and play 20 tonight. Suggest 20 per set in the first round, 10 thereafter.

 

[GreyFox]

good, finally things are moving ...

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I say move scout to pop hut first, then move settler 1SW/1W to settle near pigs, corns, and freshwater (I hope).

Rational: Settling on site waste a forest, so we should move it. By settling W,/SW we would immediately pop the hut. Scout gives better results, thus I suggest popping the hut with scout first.

The way the soutern FoW is jagged suggest peaks towards the south, thus 1W might be better than 1SW.

Alex starts with Fishing (useless) and Hunting, so suggest researching AniHus or Arg and starts with Worker.

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

I say move scout to pop hut first

I agree.

then move settler 1SW/1W to settle near pigs, corns, and freshwater (I hope).

I say move southwest. That gives you the corn, the pigs, the lake (freshwater), and at least four hills.

Alex starts with Fishing (useless) and Hunting, so suggest researching AniHus or Arg and starts with Worker.

Fishing isn't useless on a lake. It means we can work the lake tile (2f/2c) off the get-go, so we can research and grow at the same time. That gives us a great shot at an early religion.

 

[Bede]

The multitide that loafs and fishes.

Corn and pigs: BBQ!

Where's the beer?

 

[Kikinit]

For me it's a toss-up between settling in place and 1W. In place has more grasslands but has by the look of it, 2 coastal cells which will not provide enough food to pay for themselves and not being on the coast, we won't be able to build a lighthouse.

1W will have our city spread irrigation to the plains in the NW so those forests will have to be chopped for a good cause. I think the cell to the east of our present position will pop horses. Or if not then copper or iron.

1SW will bring 2 more mountains into the BFC if I am seeing the pic right. Moving the scout will expose it for us.

1W is my preference until we move the scout. Wait for our city location expert, blid to come on and give us his ideas.

 

[Akuma-sama]

Lurker's comments:
If that shore I see in the east is a coast, then settling in place would be a BAD idea. SW seems like a good bet; this much food and good hills means production powerhouse later on.

Peaceful win at Monarch, hm? Good luck!

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

Peaceful win at Monarch, hm? Good luck!

Quasi-peaceful. We'll let Bede out to wreak havoc three times this game. I've tried a completely peaceful monarch in SP and got less than nowhere.

Thanks for lurking, Akuma-sama.

 

[Kikinit]

Rex, I think that if Fox-03 was anything to go by, we won't need declare war three times. The AI will declare on us often enough. And we can't let declarations go unpunished. You always have to extract a payment for the foolishness. 1/4 of their cities is a suitable payment for me.

 

[Kikinit]

By saying that you Are the man from Nantucket, are you trying to imply something Rex?

http://www.jokes2go.com/poems/9719.html Caution: obscenties located within.

 

[GreyFox]

1/4??? There is 7 civs and we can only declare 3 time ... 1/4 means we must wait for them to choose unwisely 16 times before we can win this!

Oh, wait, there are peaceful ways to win this game ...

@Akuma: is there coast in a highland map?

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

By saying that you Are the man from Nantucket, are you trying to imply something Rex?

http://www.jokes2go.com/poems/9719.html Caution: obscenties located within.

Learning more colloquilisms than you bargained for, eh?

I'd like to point out that now would be the perfect time to reply: "Just ask Fox's sister," or ,"Just an observation your mother made the other day," or some such rude remark.

But I'm the leader in this managerie now and I ought not to spread dissent amongst the troops. I'll leave that to Bede and Blid . Have fun gentlemen.

 

[GreyFox]

"Just ask Fox's sister,"

You mean Fox's sister is not abducted by aliens, but actually abducted by you? ...

Oh, wait ... ... you are talking about Fox Mulder's sister, aren't you?

 

[Kikinit]

Rex, I'm and Aussie and we've plenty of colloquilisms of our own. I don't even normally know when I'm saying them.

That limerick was one we learnt in the primary school yard though. Or at least a very similar one.

 

[blid]

at work and my graphic card here is mediocre at best. Are we sure this piece of water east is a coast, not another lake ? Never played highlands before, but those mountains west doesn't mean we are away from coast ?

Didn't know that scout gives better results than settling. You don't get no techs before settling, right ?

Wait for our city location expert, blid to come on and give us his ideas.

That's flattering Kikin, don't know what earns me this title. Let's give it a try to prove you're wrong

- move scout NE to see If we are missing something wonderful north.
The scout will have the time to grab the hut before city expands even if we settle SW
- Hover on the forest NE of settler. If it says fresh water than there are chances we have a second fresh lake

If anything special north and the water east is fresh, then I suggest settle in place. Starting with a lake tile is not bad

If nothing special and water east is salty, then I say SW (1W looses two hills) . I think that there is a forest SW of pig but don't trust those eyes of mine

If nothing special north and water east is fresh, then I am 50-50.

Pig is great. Some good "saucisson" to feed the geeks and merchants. We are discussing city location but what about tech path.
Do we go for worker tech or chase a religion. The latter can hurt the early expansion for a peaceful game. My preferences go for agri->AH (in this order to get the modifier)

 

[blid]

Off-Topic

By saying that you are the man from Nantucket, are you trying to imply something Rex?

http://www.jokes2go.com/poems/9719.html Caution: obscenties located within.

That was quite lyrical, Kikin. Throwing Rex such a line, I am impressed he (almost) refrained to react

 

[Bede]

Worker techs and make a play for Confucianism.

 

[GreyFox]

Didn't know that scout gives better results than settling. You don't get no techs before settling, right ?

It is. Scout gives better reaults. I am not too sure abt not geeting tech b4 settling though, not much chance to pop a hut before I have a city. But I don't see why not. Afterall, we do know Fishing and Hunting before we had a city.

- move scout NE to see If we are missing something wonderful north.

SE you mean?

The scout will have the time to grab the hut before city expands even if we settle SW

IIRC, huts adjacent to cultural border will get popped.

- Hover on the forest NE of settler. If it says fresh water than there are chances we have a second fresh lake

Nice trick! Learn something everyday!

If anything special north and the water east is fresh, then I suggest settle in place. Starting with a lake tile is not bad

why in place? You waste a precious forest!

I think that there is a forest SW of pig but don't trust those eyes of mine

It is forest ... and on a hill I suspect (not sure abt hill though)

We are discussing city location but what about tech path.

I did suggest AniHus or Arg, and before you say "what about build order", I did suggest worker first.

Early religion is a lost cause. We did not start with Mysticism, so one can forget abt Buddhism. We did not start with Mining, so one can forget abt Monothesim too. Thus our only hope is to get Polythesim ... not worth the lost for growth, me think.

 

[blid]

- SE you mean?
- IIRC, huts adjacent to cultural border will get popped.

Didn't know that huts adjacent to cultural borders get popped. Learn something everyday!
I was referring to NE to see what we were missing north if we settle SW. This means popping the hut with city though

why in place? You waste a precious forest!

Me think that another lake is good. Gives 2 coins and more irrigatable lands to feed the specialists. And we're not loosing the special resources. But did I mention that I'd probably be wrong ?

I did suggest AniHus or Arg, and before you say "what about build order", I did suggest worker first.

Early religion is a lost cause. We did not start with Mysticism, so one can forget abt Buddhism. We did not start with Mining, so one can forget abt Monothesim too. Thus our only hope is to get Polythesim ... not worth the lost for growth, me think

Agree with everythin' here

 

[namliaM]

Didn't know that huts adjacent to cultural borders get popped. Learn something everyday!
I was referring to NE to see what we were missing north if we settle SW. This means popping the hut with city though

No they dont... IIRC

Agree with everythin' here

Me 2, tho just for my 2 bits... I would settle 1SW

I am pretty sure I read somewhere you cannot research before getting a city... thus no popping hut techs either... but ... I ... may ... be ... wrong (as ussual in CIV)

I may be seeing things but I think I see 3 water tiles E-E, E-NE and NE-NE of the settler... In which case it will allmost certainly be salt....
Moving SW tho, will pick up (what looks to me like) 2 peaks ....

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

I opened the save and have a couple of things:

1) namliaM's right. Cities don't pop huts adjacent to their cultural borders.

2) The water to the east is fresh, using Blid's technique (cool).

3) Since I was testing #1 and #2, I decided to dick around and popped the hut with the scout. It gave us sailing. I really did intend to throw it away....but....free tech... Oh the dilema. Then I realized that sailing is pretty useless on this map and really will throw away my "experiment".