Bestbank Tiger
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Possibly.
Another difference that people might not notice is that people with a rural worldview value results and people with an urban worldview value credentials. But that's more downstream than upstream.
Rural/urban divide?
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Possibly.
Another difference that people might not notice is that people with a rural worldview value results and people with an urban worldview value credentials. But that's more downstream than upstream.
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I guess they're just trying to do the same thing with approximately the same information as everyone else. They aren't dumber than everyone else. Or smarter.
That's just healthy skepticism.
Forget whether they are dumber or smarter. Consider motives. Conservative voters are simply prioritizing things which are not their own economic well being. Other things matter more to them. And this is the cultural divide.
Bestbank Tiger
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Where did the Republicans raise my taxes or the Democrats cut them? Where did the Republicans make insurance more expensive or make my existing, affordable policy illegal? Where did the Democrats oppose bailing out Wall Street?
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Not necessarily - look at "bad" trade deals. They certainly aren't bad for corporate America.
If you support working people, you want fair trade. That *should* be the Democrats but if it had been, there never would have been a lane for Trump.
Trump himself doesn't think he would have had a chance against Bernie. But the DNC ran fraudulent primaries in both 2016 and 2020. Bernie, unlike the crappy neoliberal establishment, would act in the economic interests of the little guy. (Well, maybe he would be a pushover or sellout, but he can't be any worse.)
Don't forget how well Obama did in 2008.
It is not trivial to answer, as exactly what "Republicans" means (State or Federal, which branch?) but looking at some graphs it looks like quite a lot:
Spoiler Various graphs of tax rate :
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It is not trivial to answer, as exactly what "Republicans" means (State or Federal, which branch?) but looking at some graphs it looks like quite a lot:
Spoiler Various graphs of tax rate :
Well, I can't speak to all 50 states, so I was assuming federal. In that case, W cut the bottom marginal rate from 15 to 10. DJT doubled the standard deduction and cut the 25% bracket to 22%. The latter was of more benefit. Mississippi also effectively raised the standard deduction by eliminating the bottom tax bracket.
Democrats, on the other hand, banned a perfectly good, non subsidized insurance plan because it didn't cover contraception.
And none of the Blue cultists addressed the CBS article I linked. The Republicans didn't do anything but if neither party addresses an issue that issue is off the table.
I'm not a blue collar worker so I'm not directly affected by neoliberal trade policy. I basically get a slightly better deal from the GOP by keeping more of my paycheck. But if I were a blue collar worker the choice is clear (unless you're offering a Bernie type candidate who isn't a puppet of the oligarchy).
Your question was "Where did the Republicans raise my taxes?", and at a federal level that is basically all through the reigns of Regan and Bush I and II.
As far as healthcare is concerned, it sees quite obvious that both sides over there need to understand the for profit healthcare is just the wrong system. The incentives are just not the same as most manufactured goods, and state funded healthcare free at the point of delivery has objectively better outcomes wherever it is implemented.
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I wasn't working age for Reagan or HW. My taxes went down slightly under W. Crumbs and basically a lateral move, but no increase.
Which is the entire problem. Unless you benefit from direct or regulatory corporate welfare, you get zero from the Democrats and crumbs from the Republicans. And then get the Democrats gaslighting you by telling you you're just too stupid and deplorable to understand that they're screwing you for your own good.
We won't fix healthcare as long as the current crop of idiots is in charge of the DNC, because we won't have an honest nomination process. Biden is to the right of NIXON on health care.
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This is a very good perspective. It's 1992.
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I don't buy it.
I think that condemning the current Democrats is fair, even if a lot of their legislation is because they were trying to compromise with Republicans. And some of it is because they're building on a faulty foundation. There's a large distance between current Democrats and when left-leaning policies become useful.
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How old are you, where do you live, and how much have you been making?
Because chances are Democrats have cut your taxes more than Republicans.
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40s / Mississippi, previously New Orleans / relatively modest income.
I can do simple arithmetic, and when my take home pay went up it was because of GOP tax cuts. Not enough to buy my loyalty, but the Democrats offer even less. As mentioned earlier, I got screwed on my insurance because of the HHS mandate.
The brunch crowd loves to try to gaslight me by telling me they know my situation better than I know it myself.
Assuming others in the Deep South and not particularly well off are in the same boat, it's extremely easy for me to understand why they don't think the Democrats are their friends. And you aren't going to win anyone over with "YoUrE jUsT tOo StUpId To SeE tHiS iS fOr YoUr OwN gOoD! YoU jUsT hAtE bLaCk PeOpLe!"
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What I don't get us why pro-establishment voters circle the wagons instead of recognizing that the DNC and the GOPe are the real enemy. Why not demand universal healthcare or paid maternity or a living wage?
The Republicans aren't going to give us any of that...but neither will the Democrats unless we show them we're willing to walk out of the dealership.
Krystal Ball made a great point once. When a constituency starts trending away from the Democrats, they never ask "What did we do wrong?" She used Ohio as the example. They just wrote it off.
An even better example would be 2016. They didn't ask "How did we lose to a buffoonish game show host?" They blamed Putin and deplorables. They probably think Obama-Trump voters suddenly realized in 2016 that Obama was black.
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you act like there's a difference... Not on Wall St
Hygro
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Relax. He says he did his math. But you meet people who ignore democrat pushed deductions, rebates, cuts, credits, stimuli, grants and so on.
No dude. Every time you walk, everyone believes people are more right wing than the Democrats and the Democrats become afraid of being too radical to do these things, and it shifts one step right. We've been watching that for decades.
It's like children, machine learning, or any iterative process. You have to expect multiple generations of movement to the correct place, and reinforce what's the most right each time. Otherwise it iterates elsewhere.
Every centrist and left wing fanatic that quits after one play is throwing the whole game. We will need 20 years of wins to pull this back, otherwise our best will be rare moments of reprieve, only.
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