Saudi Arabian Journalist Murdered in Consulate

I must have missed that. I knew they were educated together. My apologies. Still doesn't have anything to do with this though. And the Muslim Brotherhood used to be relatively moderate back when I was a kid, so membership in it doesn't mean much.

The reasons aren't in dispute, except by the Saudis, who can't make up their damn minds what excuse to use. He was killed because he was criticising MBS. Possibly he'd uncovered something he wasn't supposed to know as well, but that's speculation.
Because he was critic with the current prince in power seems like a weak reason to take such crazy risk, unless it was accidental. I am sure there are lots of critical saudis all around. We are probably very far of knowing the real reasons behind all this. Not justifying any murder at all, but i think Khasoggi played a complex game. "Three cushion billiard" as we say in Spanish.

About the relevance of pointing out Kashoggi being an islamist, things are usually way more complex and twisted than the way the news present them at us and it is always a good thing to know more aspects than the ones we are feed with by the press and the mass media.
 
The reasons aren't in dispute, except by the Saudis, who can't make up their damn minds what excuse to use. He was killed because he was criticizing MBS. Possibly he'd uncovered something he wasn't supposed to know as well, but that's speculation.

Criticizing, eh? Everyone and their aunt are criticizing Mohammad. And what could Khashoggi uncover that he didn't already know, being a member of one of the richest and well connected families in the middle east? Perhaps a more valid reason is somewhere between the lines of illustrious life story of another family member, his uncle.. and is beyond the scope of mere criticizing, but more along the lines of power struggle in arms trade and other businesses the family was in to.

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Khashoggi's early years were spent among some of Saudi Arabia's most influential figures. "While attending school he met Hussein bin Talal, the future King of Jordan. It was at school that Khashoggi first learned the commercial value of facilitating a deal, bringing together a Libyan classmate whose father wanted to import towels with an Egyptian classmate whose father manufactured towels, earning US$1,000 for the introduction. Khashoggi's subsequent education at university would serve as a launchpad for his commercial career."[10][11]

In one of his first big deals, a large construction company was experiencing difficulties with the trucks that it used on the shifting desert sands. Khashoggi, using money given to him by his father for a car, bought a number of Kenworth trucks, whose wide wheels made traversing the desert considerably easier. Khashoggi made his first US$250,000 leasing the trucks to the construction company, and became the Saudi Arabia-based agent for Kenworth.[10][11]

In the 1960s and 1970s, Khashoggi helped bring together Western companies and the Saudi Arabian Government to satisfy the needs of the young Kingdom for its infrastructure and defense needs.[10][11]Between 1970 and 1975, Lockheed paid Khashoggi $106 million in commissions. His commissions started at 2.5% and eventually rose to as much as 15%. Khashoggi "became for all practical purposes a marketing arm of Lockheed. Khashoggi would provide not only an entrée but strategy, constant advice, and analysis", according to Max Helzel, then vice president of Lockheed's international marketing.[12]

A commercial pioneer, he established companies in Switzerland and Liechtenstein to handle his commissions as well as developing contacts with notables such as CIA officers James H. Critchfield and Kim Roosevelt and United States businessman Bebe Rebozo, a close associate of U.S. President Richard Nixon. His yacht, the Nabila, was the largest in the world at the time and was used in the James Bond film Never Say Never Again.[10][11] After Khashoggi ran into financial problems he sold the yacht to the Sultan of Brunei, who in turn sold it for $29 million to Donald Trump, who sold it for $20 million[13] to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal as part of a deal to keep his Taj Mahal casino out of bankruptcy.

Khashoggi headed a company called Triad International Holding Company, which among other things built the Triad Center in Salt Lake City, which later went bankrupt.[14] He was famed as an arms dealer, brokering deals between US firms and the Saudi government, most actively in the 1960s and 1970s. In the documentary series The Mayfair Set, Saudi author Said Aburish states that one of Khashoggi's first weapons deals was providing David Stirling with weapons for a covert mission in Yemen during the Aden Emergency in 1963. Among his overseas clients were defense contractors Lockheed Corporation (now Lockheed Martin Corporation), Raytheon, Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation and Northrop Corporation (the last two of which have now merged into Northrop Grumman).[11][15]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Khashoggi
 
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Criticizing, eh? Everyone and their aunt are criticizing Mohammad. And what could Khashoggi uncover that he didn't already know, being a member of one of the richest and well connected families in the middle east? Perhaps a more valid reason is somewhere between the lines of illustrious life story of another family member, his uncle.. and is beyond the scope of mere criticizing, but more along the lines of power struggle in arms trade and other businesses the family was in to.

Spoiler Wiki :
Khashoggi's early years were spent among some of Saudi Arabia's most influential figures. "While attending school he met Hussein bin Talal, the future King of Jordan. It was at school that Khashoggi first learned the commercial value of facilitating a deal, bringing together a Libyan classmate whose father wanted to import towels with an Egyptian classmate whose father manufactured towels, earning US$1,000 for the introduction. Khashoggi's subsequent education at university would serve as a launchpad for his commercial career."[10][11]

In one of his first big deals, a large construction company was experiencing difficulties with the trucks that it used on the shifting desert sands. Khashoggi, using money given to him by his father for a car, bought a number of Kenworth trucks, whose wide wheels made traversing the desert considerably easier. Khashoggi made his first US$250,000 leasing the trucks to the construction company, and became the Saudi Arabia-based agent for Kenworth.[10][11]

In the 1960s and 1970s, Khashoggi helped bring together Western companies and the Saudi Arabian Government to satisfy the needs of the young Kingdom for its infrastructure and defense needs.[10][11]Between 1970 and 1975, Lockheed paid Khashoggi $106 million in commissions. His commissions started at 2.5% and eventually rose to as much as 15%. Khashoggi "became for all practical purposes a marketing arm of Lockheed. Khashoggi would provide not only an entrée but strategy, constant advice, and analysis", according to Max Helzel, then vice president of Lockheed's international marketing.[12]

A commercial pioneer, he established companies in Switzerland and Liechtenstein to handle his commissions as well as developing contacts with notables such as CIA officers James H. Critchfield and Kim Roosevelt and United States businessman Bebe Rebozo, a close associate of U.S. President Richard Nixon. His yacht, the Nabila, was the largest in the world at the time and was used in the James Bond film Never Say Never Again.[10][11] After Khashoggi ran into financial problems he sold the yacht to the Sultan of Brunei, who in turn sold it for $29 million to Donald Trump, who sold it for $20 million[13] to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal as part of a deal to keep his Taj Mahal casino out of bankruptcy.

Khashoggi headed a company called Triad International Holding Company, which among other things built the Triad Center in Salt Lake City, which later went bankrupt.[14] He was famed as an arms dealer, brokering deals between US firms and the Saudi government, most actively in the 1960s and 1970s. In the documentary series The Mayfair Set, Saudi author Said Aburish states that one of Khashoggi's first weapons deals was providing David Stirling with weapons for a covert mission in Yemen during the Aden Emergency in 1963. Among his overseas clients were defense contractors Lockheed Corporation (now Lockheed Martin Corporation), Raytheon, Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation and Northrop Corporation (the last two of which have now merged into Northrop Grumman).[11][15]
This is conspiracy nonsense.

According to this, Khashoggi was an active arms dealer at the age of 5. Unless this is the uncle you're talking about, in which case you might want to actually provide a link. At any rate, no one believes Khashoggi's death had anything at all to do with the arms trade.
 
It doesn't have to do with Khashoggi's arms trade in particular. Zooming out of the situation a little: who can gain from severing ties between US and SA? Which company/country wouldn't happily sell weapons to the crown prince, who wages multiple wars and needs arms and money? It seems Jamal Khashoggi is the right man to get rid of, if one wants to try push SA away from US and into the arms of another group of interests. It is very convenient too, everyone can be easily persuaded to believe that this killing had to do with Khashoggi inspirational work as a critic of Saudi regime.
 
It doesn't have to do with Khashoggi's arms trade in particular. Zooming out of the situation a little: who can gain from severing ties between US and SA? Which company/country wouldn't happily sell weapons to the crown prince, who wages multiple wars and needs arms and money? It seems Jamal Khashoggi is the right man to get rid of, if one wants to try push SA away from US and into the arms of another group of interests. It is very convenient too, everyone can be easily persuaded to believe that this killing had to do with Khashoggi inspirational work as a critic of Saudi regime.
But how can anyone push the US and SA away from one another, when we all know the Earth is flat?

Like I said; conspiracy nonsense. Even the damn Saudis have admitted they murdered the guy. Right after they faked the Moon landing, I guess.
 
Maybe they can look to China to be BFFs and take lessons from the Uyghurs. Kinda dangerous though, once your suddenly part of China you've always been part of China.
 
How about setting off car bombs in crowded streets?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing
I mean, in the 80s half of my mom's family in New York (the Irish Catholic side) were giving money to organizations that were Definitely Not A Front For The IRA.

I'm not saying it's not 'bad'. I'm saying which one is currently objectively worse. Currently.

Of the next ten videos showing the intentional decapitation of an aid worker, how many do you think will be done by people trying to impose a Catholic State as their stated goal?

I think relativism causes people to miss things. We literally have people advertising their atrocities in order to recruit. Successfully. Like, people sat in their suburban homes, watched videos of atrocities (marketed to *recruit*), and then decided to fly to a different country to help the organizations doing the recruiting.

You're just not measuring the different levels. The Catholicists are just not on the same page today. Scriptures are different. They inspire different mandates.
 
But NPR keeps playing that interview with the American Muslim doctor of Pakistani heritage that despises the right bigots along with all the tertiary random hick fatties in southwest Missouri... And it's election season...
 
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only if all sufferings were this easy . One will always meet cucumbers in the street , it's like fate or something . And obviously the idiot in question must be totally happy . Having started a war in Yemen (because it was clear he is actually a fool and having so far achieved zilch in his bid to impress) this murder in the consulate mystery adds so much glory to MbS , which actually translates as Mega BS . Has killed a pal of his greatest enemy (if you like ever read Turkish newspapers) has "weathered" a storm of adverse public reaction , has convened a meeting where all the Westerners kiss his shoes for a possibility that he might let them a contract of billions . In which he distributes a mere 56 billions ... Nobody ever misses the chance of winning a glorious victory against the Turks , as long as the field is clear and no possibility of Turk being there whatsoever ...

yeah , there are like 43 Turkish employees in the Saudi Consulate , they have so far failed to interview a remaining 5 . For the entire week they are in a hurry and they will investigate the well in the Consulate because the killers might have dumped parts ... They have camera footage / evidence a diplomatic car went to this "Belgrade Forest" in Istanbul , a wooded area that serves as a park - as a scouting party . One day before the incident , so that on the day they would drive their diplomatic car in with the body and dump the body and not be filmed by the security cameras . This proves it was a pre-mediated murder . As if Saudis now will not accept that , now that the idiot who will become the next Saudi King has killed enough Yemeni kids and nobody cares , so he is getting away with murder in New Turkey ... They have the recording , they have hinted they have bugged the Consulate and New Turkey is asking the Saudis where the body is , so that they can start a court case ... Oh , because that would be really funny , Party newspaper claims that they know who have listened to the recording . Oh , you see , there is a recording and people have listened to it and the Party newspaper knows who have listened to it , so this proves , ı don't know , everything . Yes , these are the people who destroyed the Republic and they weren't any better then ...


and that needs to be taken seriously so we have Western news agencies reporting the CIA Director has threatened Ankara . If Ankara releases the recording , CIA will release recordings of corruption related to Canal Istanbul , where the Party decided the location only after they bought all the land and they will compensate themselves . Like that would ever work in New Turkey . Today's Cumhuriyet has the front page covered with how they created an extra 240 billion liras of "wealth" with irregularities regarding buildings in Istanbul alone .

oh the facts , then and straightaway . A-K-P supposedly polls 40% ; there are 81 provinces in the country and A-K-P can get 40 mayors in March 2019 . When allied with the almost racists they will get up to 71 . The remaining 10 can only go to the seperatists . The bad part ? They can loose Istanbul and Ankara . Some Kurds , not fans of the Party or seperatists apparently have gone over to Iyi Parti , that splinter from the almost racists . America put that up to break up the "Western Turkey" , the famous coastline where a percentage of the former Center Right (both from the DP-AP tradition and Nationalists) joins CHP in a preference for the secular Republic founded by Atatürk , whom they do not insult . To do that IP has to be Centre Right , and well , that's not a crime , right ? A-K-P needs the said votes , hence they have a fake break-up with the almost racists . Which goes like this : Sides refrain only from offering sex to each others' mothers . For a day . There's vote in the Parliament which the almost racists vote against the Party . Their leader immediately sacks assigned MP to lead the party group in the Parliament and the next vote on the same subject gets reversed . Guess what , they don't want to be seen next to the seperatists . If the Parliament burns , they would refuse to leave , because the seperatists were getting out from the same door ? Guess not ... So , just naturally the almost racists are so ready to get into fistfights with all the Opposition . Some Kurds mentioned above , ı guess they are expected to have IQs of 80 or 90 and will not notice the fakeness of the entire affair , but then , it doesn't exactly matter anyhow . PM even alleges that his voters slap him when things go wrong and why the courts decided to take a decision on stuff that happened 5 years ago , "breaking" the alliance with the almost racists ? They wouldn't , without clearing it with the Ministry first ... The Hour of the Opposition on the Voice of Russia even talks on the tears of the former Justice Minister , called a Kurd and stuff . No vaseline ? Why , ı said as much . In the movie business , like the only thing more impressive than tears on demand is vomiting on demand .


the Hour of Opposition also becomes the only venue where a former MP of A-K-P tells of how he was almost physically attacked by a current A-K-P MP . The current is the son of the 3rd founder of the Party , who was best crier of all ; the former calls the father a traitor , secretly still allied with Congregation . Can't tell whether the CIA director directly told the Party that Congregation had "suffered" far too much ; but the son would be hardly that brave to attack a PM man . Unless of course , attacking Kurds is somehow still necessary , with the former MP being one ...

but then yours idiotly scores big and so easily . Honest to God , ı was channel surfing randomly and had 10 seconds of one TV debate where the guest declared scientists had already cloned humans but all kept silent because they fear the Pope . You know , just in case ... Congragulations to Mr. Kaşıkçı , now he will also be killed by the Papists , the long arm of Popery , the vaunted and mysterious Catholic Intelligence , even darker than Opus Dei , even mightier than Venice's still functioning spy agency , for he is a blasphemy . Even in 15 pieces , he has been immediately cloned and is still roaming the realm . Though the Expanded Universe teaches us Palpatine's were all crazies , doesn't it ? ı have Monday already covered with Dr. Frankenstein hisself if nothing comes up ...


translation : America feels symbolisms do not suffice for the required level . That the Republic is under six feet of soil and won't come back and why don't people just roll over and die and join the Republic under ? PM is opening his airport on Monday , taking most of Anniversary of the Republic celebrations to Istanbul . Yet his airport is not complete to the extent it was claimed it would be . Flight operations in "full" is supposed to start on the last day of the year ; to look it more heroic some newspaper has claimed it might be dangerous enough to cause a crash until more fully ready in May 2019 . So , the PM returns to Çankaya , the residence of Presidents of the Turkish Republic and convenes a committee or two . Assigning and no doubt giving an office inside Çankaya to Iskender Pala . A former Navy officer sacked without rights as an Islamist back in the day . Like coincidentally a former colleague of his , a Leftist Kemalist and like really famous in the Left as a strategist and having done a couple years in jail as a victim of the Ergenekon Conspiracy is on TV . The guy turns out to be first ever to name an Ergenekon , an American proxy against the Republic back in 1994ish . Apparently he heard it an officer's club , like back in 1988 . Now corrects that as there are two . One on Cyprus , as one of the myriad organizations , fractured so that more targets were offered to the enemy to be infiltrated and betrayed . Second , a different one , under America's thumb , because the first might have impressed the Officer caste . In this he is wrong , the first would never be called Ergenekon , because that's the name American fundamentalists died to give to it . Mustafa Kemal's fault , he should have avoided the study of that ancient myth . And 1988 ı have no doubts that the general (the Leftist Kemalist talked with) would still laugh at the first as fools , a Turkish equivalent of celebrated American Survivalists . The guys are yet to brief the now dead Turkish Military in full about the whole Cyprus fracas , because like 90% of any possible audience would rush in to Americans and whatever comes to mind (as states that would be interested to hear dat) ... Like , if there's any need to brief Americans , ancients would do it themselves , with no translation errors on how America would be raped . Anyhow the TV show runs smoothly with the Leftist Kemalist giving ohs and wows at the required spots , being surprised at how his old friends have been so quickly filmed with reminicences . ı have no doubt the Leftist Kemalist wrote the entire programme himself , otherwise he wouldn't come up , making to host to follow the routine to the last full stop on the page . So , the grand finale arrives and the Leftist Kemalist implies they created online stuff you should be readily to able to imagine by now , offering a hand to the CIA director and the like (in the name of the clique that lost to the clique that now forms the Army of Petrol) . And the only real surprise for the Leftist Kemalist -to the extent of jaw dropping low. As the host buries his head down , because people are obviously fools or bad luck and the host doesn't want to go to jail . Like he is hosting the most ağdalı/sticky tales of heroism against the Congregation on channels who claim not to be owned by the Party ...
 
CNN reports that Salah bin Jamal Khashoggi has returned safe & sound to the United States. That's something, I guess. The Saudis had revoked his Saudi passport, but let him leave after our Secretary of State made a special request. (Salah has dual citizenship.)
 
CNN reports that Salah bin Jamal Khashoggi has returned safe & sound to the United States. That's something, I guess. The Saudis had revoked his Saudi passport, but let him leave after our Secretary of State made a special request. (Salah has dual citizenship.)
That's the son, right? They had their propaganda photos with him, no need to keep him. Presumably they have threatened his family if he talks out of turn or something.
 
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two troopers frozen to death . Might happen , if you send people up in the mountains to catch some seperatists unawares . We hear revolutionary New Turkey winter gear is proof to -40 degrees Celcius . The interior secretary of the palace goverment much loves to brag about how the Republic was all treason and did not operate in winter but New Turkey is heroic and New Turkey will operate in winter ; he was only talking about how a blizzard made it impossible to evacuate by helicopter .

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this is also a helicopter thing . Some advisor of the PM inspecting the area . They are only supposed to stress that it was a sudden blizzard , commanders were mistaken to send troops up in a "light" condition , as it can be seen from the advisor to advisor guy in jacket and tie , the conditions are not that harsh , stuff ? Haute Couture types identify that blue thing as "Lui Vuitton" , 100 % real Kashmir , worth 3000 liras , about 500 or 600 dollars . Which will soon be corrected to 4500 liras / 810 dollars . These guys are geniouses , never faling to look humble , so makes this suspect as how they do not care for the dead troopers , because as everybody knows , everyone is voting for whichever party he/she has voted , except a Kurdish percentage that will decide ...

opposition says the father of one of the dead learned it when people from the local office called to tell they had dug one grave and rwere eady for the funeral . From TV footage , some poor village , that might not be regularly voting for A-K-P , then there would be the Governor of the province around . You must readily remember Sarıkamış is big in Turkey where Enver lost an army to winter (before New Turkey came and taught us Enver didn't and it's only a Kemalist lie) . Troops freezing cause much talking , especially in 2018 . So the PM tells his grandfather was frozen in Sarıkamış , clutching his rifle . Despite the no need to stress that , now that records list him as "unknown" and nobody has been saying he was shot as a deserter ... Trump has been easy on the credits and stuff , not even a economic crisis thing over the horizon .


there are even people who mock the kinda lackluster opening of the PM's airport , named as Istanbul , despite the months long preparations to make it Abdülhamid , and make it double sure to be known it was not named Atatürk and insult the 48% that does not vote for the Party ... Rather odd for a country that has also seen declarations from some university that obeying the PM is a "farz" , like the obligation to pray 5 times a day . Which is barely the Umeyyad way , this time to get more votes from those flexible Kurds . Yeah , making it a sin to disobey the PM . Indeed so , as every single Al Crusading journo reports live from Istanbul on the great success story of the teddy bear that should have given Caliphate to New Turkey by now . The only foreign news channel ı can watch and in the last decade ı have seen them all . Congragulations to Mr. Kaşıkçı , now that am pretty sure there are a couple of tigresses outta there who will chop Kaşıkçı to pieces if they see him alive . By bare hands if necessary . No , this is not a repeat ; am talking about newspeople , not Qatari operatives or the Royal Family ! UN joins New Turkey in demanding Saudis to tell where the body is and while gallow humours and the like is unfitting for actual death , as survivors deserve respect and the like , well , this is .



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this place was supposed to have the image of Samsun Mehter Team who were in the Parliament listening to the PM talking . Because they are reportedly of Roman origin , not even Opposition news sites have it , because they look really odd with their full Ottoman regalia and stuff ... People would laugh or whatever .


this is the New Turkey , that's supposed to replace the Saudis as the dominant "Muslim" power . Putin the statesman knows New Turkey is an house of cards , Putin the oligark loves the folding money he gets out , so he is turning a blind eye to the Idlip deal "failing" where Jihadists have told Ankara , their supposed boss , to get lost . There's bound to be a 3rd operation in Syria which like revolves around killing Kurds despite all the pandering that takes place above ... To which Pentagon once again meekly responds with delaying tactics , instead of woving to protect their boots on the ground . Almost racists have acted "badly" , instead of the realisation of Washington's solemn promises that they would become part of the A-K-P , instead of talking but secretly always supporting . Explains why there's so much "lack of effort" to solve the mystery ; because the Saudis might turn out to be best friends of New Turkey , now that they have been paying for it for the last half century . As such the journo who would prosper under Goebbels now hints the local collaborator is just a Turkish employee of the Consulate ...
 
And we may finally know wh the Saudis can't produce a body, even a hacked up one.

Source.

The body of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi was “dissolved” after his murder and dismemberment at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, an adviser to the Turkish president has said.

“We now see that it wasn’t just cut up; [the Saudi suspects] got rid of the body by dissolving it,” Yasin Aktay, an adviser to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and an official in Turkey’s ruling party, told the newspaper Hurriyet on Friday.

“According to the latest information we have, the reason they cut up the body is it was easier to dissolve it. They aimed to ensure no sign of the body was left,” said Aktay, who was a friend of the dissident Saudi writer. “Killing an innocent person is one crime, the treatment and extent of what was done to the body is another crime and dishonour.”

The body of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi was “dissolved” after his murder and dismemberment at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, an adviser to the Turkish president has said.

“We now see that it wasn’t just cut up; [the Saudi suspects] got rid of the body by dissolving it,” Yasin Aktay, an adviser to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and an official in Turkey’s ruling party, told the newspaper Hurriyet on Friday.

“According to the latest information we have, the reason they cut up the body is it was easier to dissolve it. They aimed to ensure no sign of the body was left,” said Aktay, who was a friend of the dissident Saudi writer. “Killing an innocent person is one crime, the treatment and extent of what was done to the body is another crime and dishonour.

The remarks represented the first official statement from a Turkish authority about what allegedly happened to Khasoggi’s body. Turkish investigators have been trying to determine whether Khashoggi’s remains could have been dissolved in acid at the nearby consul general’s house.

An unnamed official also told the Washington Post “biological evidence” in the consulate’s garden suggested that because of acid “Khashoggi’s body was not in need of burying”.

Forensics experts have questioned the theory, as they say disposing of a body using acid can take months.

Cars that travelled between the consulate and the consul general’s residence on the day of Khashoggi’s death spent about three hours in the garage under the property before moving on again. Turkish police have traced at least one vehicle to Belgrad forest, north of Istanbul, later that night.

The journalist’s body has still not been found a month after his disappearance on 2 October, when he entered the consulate to obtain marriage papers while his fiance, Hatice Cengiz, waited outside.

Saudi Arabia previously said his intact remains had been wrapped in a rug and disposed of by a “local collaborator”, although the Saudi attorney general, Saud al-Mojeb, walked back that claim in talks with Istanbul’s chief prosecutor this week.

The body of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi was “dissolved” after his murder and dismemberment at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, an adviser to the Turkish president has said.

“We now see that it wasn’t just cut up; [the Saudi suspects] got rid of the body by dissolving it,” Yasin Aktay, an adviser to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and an official in Turkey’s ruling party, told the newspaper Hurriyet on Friday.

“According to the latest information we have, the reason they cut up the body is it was easier to dissolve it. They aimed to ensure no sign of the body was left,” said Aktay, who was a friend of the dissident Saudi writer. “Killing an innocent person is one crime, the treatment and extent of what was done to the body is another crime and dishonour.”


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The remarks represented the first official statement from a Turkish authority about what allegedly happened to Khasoggi’s body. Turkish investigators have been trying to determine whether Khashoggi’s remains could have been dissolved in acid at the nearby consul general’s house.

An unnamed official also told the Washington Post “biological evidence” in the consulate’s garden suggested that because of acid “Khashoggi’s body was not in need of burying”.

Forensics experts have questioned the theory, as they say disposing of a body using acid can take months.

Cars that travelled between the consulate and the consul general’s residence on the day of Khashoggi’s death spent about three hours in the garage under the property before moving on again. Turkish police have traced at least one vehicle to Belgrad forest, north of Istanbul, later that night.

The journalist’s body has still not been found a month after his disappearance on 2 October, when he entered the consulate to obtain marriage papers while his fiance, Hatice Cengiz, waited outside.

Saudi Arabia previously said his intact remains had been wrapped in a rug and disposed of by a “local collaborator”, although the Saudi attorney general, Saud al-Mojeb, walked back that claim in talks with Istanbul’s chief prosecutor this week.

Aktay’s statement comes after the first official acknowledgement from the Istanbul chief prosecutor, Irfan Fidan, on Wednesday that Khashoggi’s body was “dismembered and destroyed” after his death at the hands of a team of Saudi officials who flew in from Riyadh to kill him.

Much of the information pertaining to the case has already been leaked to Turkish media, but the strengthening of Turkey’s official position suggests that Ankara is unwilling to let up on rivals in Riyadh in the search for answers in Khashoggi’s death.

Saudi Arabia has attracted international opprobrium for its handling of the case.

Riyadh initially denied it had anything to do with Khashoggi’s disappearance but then changed its story several times, first claiming Khashoggi died in a fist fight before admitting Turkish evidence suggested his killing was premeditated.

The affair has created Saudi Arabia’s worst diplomatic crisis since 9/11 and sullied the reputation of the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, whom it is alleged must have been aware of the murder plan.

It emerged this week that the prince called Khashoggi a “dangerous Islamist”in a phone call with Jared Kushner, the White House adviser and son-in-law to Donald Trump, just before Turkish police said they believed the missing journalist was dead.
TLDR: The Saudis didn't just hack up Khashoggi's body, they dissolved it in acid to dispose of the evidence. This is also a pretty major insult in Islam, I believe; Muslims are supposed to be buried within 24 hours of dying.
 
Somehow I don't think religious issues were their primary concern.
 
Somehow I don't think religious issues were their primary concern.
Probably not, but MBS was apparently bad-mouthing Khashoggi to Jared Kushner, calling him a "radicalIslamist," during this same time period. It's just an added FU to Khashoggi, even in death.
 
Probably not, but MBS was apparently bad-mouthing Khashoggi to Jared Kushner, calling him a "radicalIslamist," during this same time period. It's just an added FU to Khashoggi, even in death.

Generally speaking, acid baths are more a matter of convenience than political statement making.
 
the narrative claims am a master champion of the awkward . As in explanations of the weird ; Oumuamua is now a solar sailer , because Lockmart will claim patent rights for perpeuity in fusion power in 2019 and later and thanks to Xenforo nobody can read r16@CFC ancién and like nobody can dare topple the apple cart , right ? Sure , this is going to be such a borderline post , but (right on) something called AFP claims the murder of Kaşıkçı will benefit -New- Turkey greatly ...


calling myself an idiot once a week should have sufficed ; but yeah , it has to be in every post , and this one will be heavy with pictures , too .

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awkward ? Strange and weird ? Well , nobody needs me explaining what happens to some now dead guy in the UK . Apparently it involves some guy , some jelly and some olde British pug or whatever the hell and the guy not satisfied with female companionship . As a guy that phsically places stuff in the street for cats , ı have read newspapers and stuff that cats leave food when they are full and dogs do not . ı guess the olde thing just wanted the chew it in full ; as a dog owner he should have known ...

just inspires one to talk about Ramsey in the Game of Thrones , poor Theon and the former's love for sausages . The series were on public TV and last episode ı have seen must be where they are evacuating those survivors of the assault on the Wall from some port when Whitewalkers arrive and they lose all the obsidian blades . So can't tell whether there is indeed a court jester or a clown that matches Trump as in below .

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the producers of course are unhappy and the apparently bring in Dothrakis and their weird langauges . (As readers of my older stuff would know) they are modelled on Turks with their horselords and stuff and they are an insult and Congregation used a "lab" session where military high school students saw an episode to improve their language skills and the like (As a would-be-English teacher , ı know the method was actually developed by the US Army in WW II , books and headphones and some movies even) and people were thrown out and replaced by Congregation teachers . At a time like 98% of all military students were Congregation anyhow . Iranian response is more muted , they deliver a picture of Kowsar in series production , which is a good olde F-5E with 1973 specs .


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the only use of which would be justfying wholesale massacre of MiG-28s in Top Gun II ; because ı would be very prone to loathe it , 'cause Tom Cruise , oh my , they have Jennifer Connelly in . With the "Colonel" Mitchell , despite observations that after so many years of continious service since 1986 he would now be the JCS of all American military arms ... Guess ı will have to have very large wads of cottons for the ears now that any terrible Connelly movie can still be watched mute . And forgetting all about lifestyles , it had to be Tony Scott and right on , right on , the very same newspaper lauds Ridley Scott who has done an ad for New Turkey's flag carrier . Whose deputy director was on board the first plane that ever took off from the PM's airport on a regular schedule and had a "victory lap" over Ankara . Because New Turkey is the comin' superpower of the world and the PM is so angry at Opposition claims that he couldn't manage to name his airport after Abdülhamid (Ulu Hakan / Kızıl Sultan according to one's tastes and the prop for PM to call himself as the follow-on to the last real and great ruler of the Ottomans) , the airliner not only takes off from the 3rd airport but even manages to make a tour above the capital city of the Republic . Who would have known American ancients would be so yellow ?

but then the Saudi attorney-general , man , makes everyone yellow ... He arrives here , does nothing , says nothing . But leaves with very heavy suitcases which he apparently didn't have when he arrived . Here , you gotta remember media claims from this country that Mr. Kaşıkçı was dismembered and like put into 5 suitcases . Right on , right on , right on the attorney-general's suitcases are weirdly numbered with very big numerals and even yours idiotly sees number 5 as it starts on its way through the x-ray at the airport . See , even if they are reported to be 8 suitcases in total , even yours idiotly must accept the body was finally taken out of the country , like by unfailing assistance . Then the Saudi was truly called names about his un-cooperation about the case , with insults and the like hurled about like totally the tons of Turkish delight he had bought here , because we saw they were like filling some airport cart that might taken a couple of suitcases .

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the picture from some other web site , where the party supporter claims the guy arrived here to resurrect Mr. Kaşıkçı and chop him into pieces , because you know . Man , where is the resident Greek member of CFC , where yours idiotly has noticed him posting there after he went missing here ? He surely would have laughed to troll me with the stupendous tales of the stupendous New Turkey ambrassador to Uganda . Where she becames Helen or whatever at the October 29th reception at the Ugandan capital , and has her chief aide dressed as Zeus . Because you know , the declaration of the Republic in 1923 follows the defeat of the Greeks in '22 ...

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irrelevant rambling ? Not at all , you see because all the media outlets claim Saudis will fall and New Turkey will replace and because Americans still think real Africans are far behind in IQ and Uganda lies on a part of the Nile and Egypt is a vassal of the Saudis and Egyptians would readily oppose any Ugandan interest in dams over the Nile , the female ambrassador assigned there 5 years ago , hence obviously fully acceptable to A-K-P , becomes a Greek goddess or what-ever Helena is . Africans who haven't benefited from the never failing American education then would be able to see that nothing has changed . At least it wasn't in Tanzania , which happens to be part of the Turkish jargon for backwardness for some reason like Patagonia . Whatever its failings Turkey was never as primitive as those two and no , ı don't think there are many people in New Turkey , let alone Turkey itself to know that Tanzania at least once repelled the supersonic invasion of Uganda , during Idi Amin .


gives an inkling why Miss State Department causes such rancor ? Because we are not as smart ? And be instantly overtaken as soon as she deploys her beads and trinkets ? At least she has had a full lesson on the diplomatic skills of New Turkey . On the day actor boyfriend was beating the singer opponent of the Party , women of New Turkey were in Argentina on some UN meeting and they made journalist accompanying them proud . Actor boyfriend has an history of violence , we learn , once breaking a finger of his previous companion and the couple broke up some 9 months ago due to his violence . Even Opposition newspapers cover him with tales of how the singer was talking to some woman he didn't like and he smashed a vase on her and bit her shoulder and whatever . Guy was last seen in ad campaign where he played an android /robot from the West that was always outclassed by the glorious tech advances of some bank ; he should have been a robot and double checked when some "friend" texted him on a night he was heavily loaded with alcohol and "proved" her infidelity during the 8 months of seperation . Ashtray on the head , kick on the groin , Miss State Department , stuff you obviously did not cause yourself , right ? Because the former editor-in-chief of the newspaper was there in the lunch or whatever the singer and the boyfriend were re-united and because he follows every fashion in the West and he was such a supporter of MeToo movement , the newspaper's Hollywood report this week is naturally on the replacement of Kevin Spacey from House of Cards . You could really rant to anyone but me on how it has gone too far and Trump's required victory over Democrats has been achieved but guys in Hollywood are so back in their scoring rate because every budding starlet now knows how to tweet .

american ancients are thus adviced either to stand up or shut up 'cause they are achieving nothing . "Good thing they are fighting with words" cause only trouble , and obviously only for me ; we have never called rods of gods rods of gods . New Turkey has Zeus instead , a mere assistant to ambrassador who was heroically removed , while no doubt the women in Argentina that made the journalist proud were all head covered . One of them was apparently the female PM sacked from the Parliament by court decision , because America wanted to forward Moderate Islam and it needed Turkey because this country had been struggling at it , officially since 1839 but you can take it back to 1620s and "Kemalists" had to be shown to be intolerant barbarians . Ecevit , Prime Minister of the time , had once allied with Erbakan in a coalition , he might have failed to act fully . Because of that America had Congregation imply Ecevit needed to use adult diapers , later on as he refused to leave "peacefully" and give the country to A-K-P on the cheap . Thus Merve Kabakçı had also American passport , while the election laws required candidates to the Parliament be citizens of only this country . She should not have been made an Islamist candidate , you know , like in any country that requires single citizenship from its MPs ? Yeah , American ancients , care to explain or are you even more yellow mellow than it's told to me ? She would be thrown out of the Parliament no matter what , but her turban was given as the reason . And the A-K-P members (after years of ranting that it was against Human Rights) finally "managed" to remove the ban against Goverment employees to cover their heads in office (because they were losing a prime political weapon) were so modest . A MP of theirs was full of their greatness , because Muhammed had taken Mekke from the Infidels and broken their idols and was "proud" , but theirs was a bigger victory and they were so bigger than Muhammed that they didn't brag .

this is the country where some proffessor just said Human Rights are bad and have to be given away alongside other drivel like Women's Rights and Animal Rights because they are products of secular antagonisms and "Kul Hakkı" is enough . That's people's equality before God , Allah May Forgive you for not praying 5 times a day but you will answer on the Judgement Day for not paying the wage to a guy you employed kind of things . A "kul" also happens to be a subject of a Sovereign . See where it might just be taken , that laws do not count if the Sovereign knows it best and naturally will be held accountable only by God . This is also the country where Sayıştay (which might be the equal of General Accounting Office of the US) is rather surprisingly rocking the boat . Despite months long battles in previous years where it was divested of its powers to investigate , it's surprisingy active exposing A-K-P way of running the Goverment . This despite the head of Sayıştay hanging a picture of some Ottoman Sultan instead Kemal , which means a lot of one thing in this country . Some Party mayor takes 100 odd people to Gallipoli battlefields as a cultural tour , 648 to the city of Bursa to see its celebrated mosques , pays the tour company a cost based on 5 000 for the former , 10 000 for the latter . The same very publicly declared the PM had it wrong and some company will be paid at least 18 times the amount of money he said .

this is entirely on topic , because the going turned out to be rough as soon as New Turkey faced semi-real opponents , like the dimwit Russian intervention in Syria bolstering the somewhat more real Iranian operations . Kaşıkçı dead means there is an opening for a golden age , only if Kemalists give up their godless ways so that a return can be made to the glorious days . Which were so quickly ruined by Little Imperialist declaring they actually knew every suicide bomber of ISIL but they surely could not arrest any of them before they actually blew themselves up . Just as a coincidence , the new Governor of Istanbul comes from the East where his chief press release of note seems the one where he like thanked the ISIL suicide bomber blowing himself up in an empty area so that Muslims were not hurt . Because old school Islamists have only two MPs and one of them had to temerity to claim two evils faced each other on the Disgrace of July 15th (instead of one truly good vs one truly evil) every single newspaper has the picture of the police chief shot in the head and left for dead . Remains in a coma for 5 months and his first words are naturally "Is there Democracy in the country?" Which we hadn't heard of in 2017 and the like , but then we are all idiots , what can we do ? And like am pretty sure that MP must be married to the sister of Merve Kabakçı , the American MP to the Grand National Assembly of Turkey .

don't think it lacks finesse . Because Americans readily know that there are more Faithful among the ancients who are giggling like girls with Lord Vader and a few have done the Pilgrimage and they all readily despise the Saudis , having a full apreciation on how the current "servants" of Mecca and Medina will bring back the idols , New Turkey keeps the "driplet" going on . Like Mr. Kaşıkçı was dissolved in acid ! And you can like totally imagine that they are bargaining with the Saudis and they want a control of the Pilgrims during the season . Like running a better service so that 2 000 or 7 000 people will not be crushed to death when some Saudi Prince wants to become a pilgrim without bothered by the crowds . Was on the cards when the Congregation was bringing Democracy to Turkey , too .

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when oil runs out , there will still be pilgrims and do you ever get the Ring and Sauron vibe out of this ? You should , Evangelists of the US love the resemblence and the promise it promises , Saudis will remain unassailable American allies , have no doubts on that . So , they would draw out their long swords they still execute people with and descend down here ? Or they would not reportedly give a 99 million 990 thousands dollars cheque to the foundation of the PM's son ? Why , it's an American thing , everybody knows it won't happen .

filled an entire newspaper on your own ? No , there is always sports pages , which were first about the fan who had a stroke and died during a match . Knowing nothing about him , ı can only say the Turkish equivalent of RIP , even if there would be ample debates to split hairs on whether the phrases are fully same . Even if turns out that he was the nephew of a beauty queen whose father was my music teacher at the prep class of Anatolian High for a very short time before he retired . Second , the glorious fight on the field , where Fatih Il Imperatore Terim might get a big fine for punching and the lot . See , Ali Koç of Fenerbahçe comes from a family in international trade , so he wants a relaxed environment and stuff now that involvement with crazy hooliganism might hurt business in most unexpected ways . A-K-P doesn't think like that and thinks he will gain popularity so like pushes everyone against . Koç has woved he has no interest in politics , which does not convince now that Party has promised not top do a thing and has immediately reversed as soon as it got the power to do the thing ...

let's just avoid the travel page where ı was most unsurprised to read Concorde was Mach 3.0 capable . Oh , ı know they are embellishing everything wildly , them those who giggle like girls but the legend has it that one of those more Faithful was there on the very first day of a very young Lord Vader at the office , getting him sign for the typewriter and various supplies and the letter arrives , accusing them leaking info to Tupelov . Yeah , they just made that up ... Pure chaos theory , but ı always forget a thing . You butterfly , move the wings at point A and it's an hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico , and ı can't ever remember what Point A is ...


or that poor Hashem Ahelbarra . Journo of Al Crusading , always happy when Arabs do something that disgusts "Western" sensibilities . He tells of the glorious New Turkey drop by drop info game which squeezes the Saudis to a corner . Then the host asks what will New Turkey do next and the connection is gloriously severed , because there is evilocity out there , who will remember that Hashim said it two months back , when Hashim is telling something that's supposedly a new thing ...

ahem , who will now chop Mr. Kaşıkçı ? Shall we say Hollywood ? Yeah , why not ? Congragulations to Mr. Kaşıkçı , now that in the coming decade , someone will make a glorious movie as New Turkey keeps squeezing Saudis to the corner . Hear me , people , it surely has to have a Dexter cameo !
 
surely a conspiracy to get me into trouble them never stopping leaking ...


threadwise only developments are the BS from the sons of Kaşıkçı , that they only want the parts of their father back , so that they can have the solace of burying him in the Medina cemetery . Guys , guys , you are loyal Saudis , your understanding of burial involves putting the deceased into ground , cover with dirt and forget it all-together now that "Saudism" sees gravestones and all sorts stuff that you would need to find to visit the guy as pagan stuff . They would desecrate Prophet's and were ready to attempt a couple of times , back in Kemal's godless Kemalism and the solution was always being partial to the Shariff family , you know , those guys who had rebelled against the Ottomans , but had lost Holy Cities to Vahhabis in the 1920s . As long as Mr. Kaşıkçı is in the ground it doesn't matter , right ? Ah yes , Mr. Kaşıkçı , congragulations ...


and the (not) amazing declaration from the foreign affairs secretary of the palace cabinet . Who says it's upto Saudis to find the body , even if them New Turkey have evidence not yet used . Any idiot would think new Turkey indeed has no clue on where the body is , despite all those claims of having recordings and knowing everything ! New Turkey , man , where it's the defendant who has to prove his/her innocence .

rantwise , where to start ? The dimwit from the Foogy Bottom will no doubt be pleased to hear that no ashtray . Singer says the actor boyfriend threatened to hit her with one and it's only her that reported seeing blood in her urine ; hence not officially on paper . You know , exaggerated to the idea how Kemalism breeds barbarism ; only to be lookin' suspicious as the Police neglects duty and does not search the actor boyfriend at entrance to the courtroom ... The Sayıştay balloon is gloriously shot down . Instead of being her entrance fee , like she should deploy her beads and trinkets and maybe America will allow damaging courtcases against the Party that has destroyed the Republic whom the ancients were sworn to defend ? Some director resigns on November 2nd , but heard only on the 6th , because it might look awful after reading it on the web . See , the Metropolitan Municipality of Istanbul has an annual budget of 20 billion liras , with -maybe- 2 billion liras of corruption /outright theft . Sayıştay is supposed to directly go to courts when it finds irregularities . Instead it says it has found 70 cases that stink and reports on only 18 with not a single attempt at litigation ; the early claim that it still had honest men brave enough is also allowed to be gracefully retired . America even declares QFX (a BAe designed jet only intented to insult Republic's failure at Aviation despite Kemal's oft qouted "The future is in the skies!" -on the Centennary of 1923) is an Allied aircraft . You could even imagine it would be even able to take-off in a war ... Yeah , promises , promises so that there can be people to fight Iranians for real , instead of giving glorious speeches , if the war and regime change in Iran is delayed long enough , QFX might even shoot down an Alicat (Iranian F-14) or worse . Did it work ? Not very likely ?


so , America brings up real money . Offering 12 million dollars as reward to faciliate the arrest of 3 leaders of the seperatists . No doubt would end up with the seperatists to pay themselves wages and the like , but it's the gesture that counts , isn't it ? Almost racists naturally are the first to bring it up , so that they can act as the expected Trojan Horse thing . America wants a peace process (again) and almost racists refuse , as if it was me who always supported the A-K-P whenever there was a risk . And of course , it's the tried and tested way , when the seperatist leader ended up here , Ecevit got a massive win , who then went on to shun the Pakistanis (having once translated Tagore) like so that Pakistan could go nuclear to be bold enough to keep supporting the Taliban and their gloriously heroic rapist El Kaide brothers . Local elections are in March 2019 afterall .


rap , rap , rap

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the first is the sound of marching military boots on a paved road and not the rocket assisted projectile , the latest release of which reaches 85 . Second is simply that we want war . Apparently was chanted back in 1911 when the Italians landed in Tripolitania . Now that war was we were offered as "Or else" back in the day , let's just see how mighty Uncle Sam is . ı ought not to groan at any Connelly movie but am going to 50 and Top Gun II might be real taxing , WW III would be a nice diversion ...


below is what will NOT appear today elsewhere on the web , if ever . Due censorship by commercial entities . Deals with the allied aircraft thing and some surprise in the engine supplier .

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wildly paraphrased but straight from the guy who personally typed the actual document fifty to fiftyfive years ago

1-ONLY military requirement is to undisputably defeat the Greeks

2-which deters any permutation of Greece, Syria, Iraq and Iran

3-which repels the possibility of a general Kurdish uprising within

4-which annuls the possibility of an all out war with and an invasion by the US

5-due extremist beliefs of the said not to be discussed here

6-tactical air power is the only thing flexible enough for 1 and 2

7-and can be acquired within reason

8-airframe companies can fail , Curtiss of 1920-40s as the best example

9-any deal must be with the engine company ever surplus to American requirements

10- that every single jet that will be purchased will be powered by the same

if you wish , you can debate to the end of times whether we would really buy the F-16/79 or is there any possibility that America delivered F-35s not with the markings of a now dead Airforce ? In view of the claims that the exposure of the Gülen Movement for so little a gain has created an environment of "mistrust" in the country that poisons any long term assesment to the extent nobody knows what might happen and America needs some time before bigger things come up ? Time that would be used to re-arrange American assets within ? Time that might be in short supply with the dangerously surprising Russian behaviour after 2014 ? Time that might perhaps be bought by "respect" shown to existential struggle that might have been fought out in 1974-5 ? As in some old engine stuck in , in a plane with an entire function is to be merely a PR piece and any production was to be no better than a regular F-16 . Which was wargamed to a loss-rate of 70 to 1 facing USAF , but the expectation seems all the airbases will be abandoned immediately when the attacks begin and 50-55 on the ground and a couple of unfortunates in the air would be enough for Pentagon to gloat in the press briefings , declaring Air Dominance ...
 
The prosecuters are seeking the death penalty. But not for MBS, who totally had nothing to do with this guys.

Source.

Saudi crown prince shielded as death penalty sought over Khashoggi murder
Saudi prosecutor recommends death penalty for five suspects over killing of journalist in Istanbul consulate in October

Saudi Arabia says it will pursue the death penalty for five suspects charged with ordering and carrying out the killing of the Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi, in the latest effort to distance the country’s de facto ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, from the grisly murder.

The Saudi public prosecutor claimed that Saudi agents, including the head of forensics at the national intelligence service and members of Prince Mohammed’s security detail, had orders to abduct Khashoggi but decided to kill him when he resisted. The claim had been contradicted by an earlier Saudi finding that the murder was premeditated.

Prince Mohammed was not implicated in the murder, a spokesman for the prosecutor said. Turkey has been formally asked to hand over audio tapes that allegedly capture the journalist’s death, he added.

The announcement follows growing international outcry over the killing of Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist last seen entering the consulate on 2 October to obtain paperwork for his marriage.

Almost seven weeks later, who ordered the exiled journalist’s death remains central to the scandal. Turkey believes that approval was given by the Prince Mohammed himself, and has continued its efforts to isolate the designated heir to the throne through a damning drip feed of evidence. On Thursday Turkey’s foreign minister, Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, described the Saudi statement as insufficient and insisted that the killing had been premeditated.

Saudi prosecutors say 21 of its officials have been indicted – including the 15-man hit team as well as crews alleged to have carried out reconnaissance before the murder.

Ankara and Riyadh have been conducting a joint investigation into Khashoggi’s death. However, Turkish officials accuse their Saudi counterparts of stonewalling on the whereabouts of his body, and sending a forensic team disguised as investigators, who, rather than investigating the murder, attempted to scrub the consulate of Khashoggi’s DNA.

Turkey says it holds audio recordings that prove Khashoggi was strangled, then dismembered within minutes of being lured into the consulate. A search for his remains in an Istanbul forest has been unsuccessful. However, biological evidence of the murder is understood to have been found at the nearby consul general’s residence.

Investigators are working on the assumption that a second phase of the murder operation was carried out in the garage of the official residence, where Khashoggi’s body parts were dissolved in acid and poured down drains and into a garden well.


Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman: the Saudi public prosecutor said he had not been implicated in Jamal Kashoggi’s murder. Photograph: Reuters
Turkey is yet to publicly table full transcripts of the audio tapes it says depict the killing, or reveal how the recordings were made. However, they have been widely shared with allied intelligence agencies and even played to a Saudi agent, according to President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who is leading the diplomatic offensive against Prince Mohammed.

Erdoğan has said the order to murder Khashoggi came from “the highest levels” of the Saudi government. The former head of MI6, Sir John Sawers, has described Saudi claims that Prince Mohammed was unaware of the murder plot as a “blatant fiction”.

The US, meanwhile, is attempting to shield Prince Mohammed from an investigation that poses the greatest threat to the kingdom since the 9/11 attacks, in which 15 of the 19 hijackers who attacked the twin towers and Pentagon were Saudi citizens.

The US national security adviser, John Bolton, said earlier this week that nothing on the tapes incriminates the crown prince. Turkey has hinted that separate, as yet undisclosed material it is holding brings the killing to the doorstep of the royal court, from where Prince Mohammed’s most influential domestic aide, Saud al-Qahtani, has been forced to leave. Qahtani is accused of being the figure who organised the hit squad. The crown prince’s critics, and even some loyalists inside the kingdom, say it is inconceivable that such an operation could have been ordered without his authority.

In the last 18 months of his life, which he had lived in exile mainly in Washington, Khashoggi had been an influential critic of some aspects of Prince Mohammed’s reform programme. An insider turned outsider, he had used the powerful platform of his column at the Washington Post to pen pointed critiques and political observations that had made him one of the Arab world’s most influential pundits.

He had been an advocate of political Islam, which is viewed by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates as a subversive threat, and had defied overtures from al-Qahtani to return to Riyadh.
TLDR: The Saudis are going to execute some of their operatives in a pathetically transparent attempt to protect MBS from the fallout. Basically, he's covering his tracks by murdering people who can finger him for the initial murder - or, as Donald Trump called it, "a bad deal" - and trying to pass it off as justice for Khashoggi. The fact that the Saudis have changed their story half a dozen times doesn't help sell the new story. The Turks are continuing to slowly release info, prolonging the scandal and masterfully screwing with MBS. I suspect they'll leak the audio tapes once the US Election fever has died down, although they may wait until after the coming holidays.
 
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