Osubaker
Democratic Socialist
K, thanks luddi ill download that and see if it helps.
And heres the landing craft again
And heres the landing craft again
Scenario preview: Vietnam War
- Thread starter Luddi VII
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El Justo
Deity
BTW, that's wyrmshadow's mech landing craft LCM
Luddi VII
Sheep farmer
Thanks again The Osu.
Tomorrow I can't be reached because I'm going to be in a party.So just work on and try to fid a solution for the game balance.
Tomorrow I can't be reached because I'm going to be in a party.So just work on and try to fid a solution for the game balance.
Osubaker
Democratic Socialist
Finally got the scenario working 
Couple questions. I havent been on the boat with you guys from the beginning so I dont know for sure exactly how you want this scenario to work out. My vietnam history is a little hazy. Been a long time since I studied that, but 1965 was about the time when things were getting really heavy in Vietnam, correct?
If im correct then you would want to have some serious battles. I started as the americans and I noticed thier cities are really weak. Most were producing like 10-20 shields. A city toward the end of a epic game can produce 100-200 shields so there is quite a bit of room for adding there if you want. To take care of the happiness in the american city or cities you coould add an improvement like liberty and have it give 5 or whatever happy faces. By boosting thier production you and with accelerated production on you could realy churn out some units
Ideas on bombers, fighters, and B52
fighters 2 rof, bomber 3 rof, and B52 5 rof to symbolize the different payload sizes and amount of area they are able to destroy. The reason your B52 wasnt working is because you have the rof for it set at 0. Rof is how many times the unit can hit unit it is attacking. Unlike how it sounds it does not let you repeatedly bombard in one term. No matter what you set it at you will still on get one chance to bombard it will just allow it to hit a unit more than once. For example like radar artillery's 3 rof symbolizing firing off multiple rockets.
EDIT: if you tag B52 as footunit you can prevent it from landing on aircraft carriers which would be a lot more realistic.
Wasnt the sabre outdated by the Vietnam war? The F4 phantom I thought had pretty much taken its place doing a terrible job at first with its lack of gun, being the first jet to try and rely on inaccurate missles alone. Later in the war a gun was eventually added to the phantom
Couple questions. I havent been on the boat with you guys from the beginning so I dont know for sure exactly how you want this scenario to work out. My vietnam history is a little hazy. Been a long time since I studied that, but 1965 was about the time when things were getting really heavy in Vietnam, correct? If im correct then you would want to have some serious battles. I started as the americans and I noticed thier cities are really weak. Most were producing like 10-20 shields. A city toward the end of a epic game can produce 100-200 shields so there is quite a bit of room for adding there if you want. To take care of the happiness in the american city or cities you coould add an improvement like liberty and have it give 5 or whatever happy faces. By boosting thier production you and with accelerated production on you could realy churn out some units
Ideas on bombers, fighters, and B52
fighters 2 rof, bomber 3 rof, and B52 5 rof to symbolize the different payload sizes and amount of area they are able to destroy. The reason your B52 wasnt working is because you have the rof for it set at 0. Rof is how many times the unit can hit unit it is attacking. Unlike how it sounds it does not let you repeatedly bombard in one term. No matter what you set it at you will still on get one chance to bombard it will just allow it to hit a unit more than once. For example like radar artillery's 3 rof symbolizing firing off multiple rockets.
EDIT: if you tag B52 as footunit you can prevent it from landing on aircraft carriers which would be a lot more realistic.
Wasnt the sabre outdated by the Vietnam war? The F4 phantom I thought had pretty much taken its place doing a terrible job at first with its lack of gun, being the first jet to try and rely on inaccurate missles alone. Later in the war a gun was eventually added to the phantom
El Justo
Deity
good to see you got it up and running
the americans sent the marines to vietnam in march 1965 i think. the army had been there for some time, operating under the guise of 'consultant' to the s vietnamese. they were there as early as 1961. kennedy sent them there. the first real battle of the vietnam war was that mel gibsoin movie "We were Soldiers". i forget where it occurred exactly (na trang valley?) but it was one of the only times outside of the Tet Offensive where US forces battled the commies in conventional, head-to-head fashion. that's why we should emphasize the 'invisible' and 'stealth' flags for the N Vietnamese.
i hadn't even thought of the ROF thing. thanks. i'll switch it in my biq to reflect your suggestions.
the added production thing is cool too. maybe we could cut the US cities down to 2 or 3 with that.
the initial air unit for the US is the Sabre but eventually they can build the Phantom. i'm not much on the specs of the planes but i do know that the F100s were in Nam early on. there are actually a couple of others that aren't in the scen. A10 thunderhawk (?) and another one i can't remember right now. napalm bomber is in there after 'incendiary tactics' is researched (US only).
the americans sent the marines to vietnam in march 1965 i think. the army had been there for some time, operating under the guise of 'consultant' to the s vietnamese. they were there as early as 1961. kennedy sent them there. the first real battle of the vietnam war was that mel gibsoin movie "We were Soldiers". i forget where it occurred exactly (na trang valley?) but it was one of the only times outside of the Tet Offensive where US forces battled the commies in conventional, head-to-head fashion. that's why we should emphasize the 'invisible' and 'stealth' flags for the N Vietnamese.
i hadn't even thought of the ROF thing. thanks. i'll switch it in my biq to reflect your suggestions.
the added production thing is cool too. maybe we could cut the US cities down to 2 or 3 with that.
the initial air unit for the US is the Sabre but eventually they can build the Phantom. i'm not much on the specs of the planes but i do know that the F100s were in Nam early on. there are actually a couple of others that aren't in the scen. A10 thunderhawk (?) and another one i can't remember right now. napalm bomber is in there after 'incendiary tactics' is researched (US only).
Osubaker
Democratic Socialist
I also tagged the Huey with the explore flag. If you dont have any flag tagged the AI will just sell the unit.
Im gonna have to get used to infantry having to movement, I do like how it speeds the game up a little; I reduced the road bonus to 2 instead of 3 and gave huey movement 4 with all terrain as roads, which basically gives it a movement of 8.
And of course these are all just suggestions. Take what you like leave watcha dont
Im gonna have to get used to infantry having to movement, I do like how it speeds the game up a little; I reduced the road bonus to 2 instead of 3 and gave huey movement 4 with all terrain as roads, which basically gives it a movement of 8.
And of course these are all just suggestions. Take what you like leave watcha dont
El Justo
Deity
no, no. i agree with it all. i'll put it into my biq file
the movement bonuses are a plus.
the movement bonuses are a plus.
El Justo
Deity
yeah, i'd like to help after we get this one going
Luddi VII
Sheep farmer
What if we could be a scenario making team after this and then we can make many scenarios and mods.I have some problems with the NLF Infantry, but I shall try to fix it.Your suggestions are great Osu.
Luddi VII
Sheep farmer
Also we should make a separate Units_32 file for this sceanrio.
Luddi VII
Sheep farmer
I've also got it working, but it was some problems I met.I think I must DL the Art file on xdrive (if I can open it) because I was missing some civilopedia icons.When I tried as the N Vietnamese suddenly it came a blackout and I was back on the writing board.I haven't playd any yet, but I will.
, but it was some problems I met.I think I must DL the Art file on xdrive (if I can open it) because I was missing some civilopedia icons.When I tried as the N Vietnamese suddenly it came a blackout and I was back on the writing board.I haven't playd any yet, but I will.
El Justo
Deity
i agree. how is that done anyhow? open the master units_32 file in paintshop and cut/paste onto the blank spots? or is another program needed?
yes luddi, that Icons file on xdrive has ALL icons in the game lined up. well, those that actually came with the custom graphics. many did not and i used existing civ3 graphics that were close
Osubaker
Democratic Socialist
I dont have paintshop so im not sure if that would work. I use GIMP which you can download for free from thier website. Im going to be really short on time for a little while, been procrastinating ALOT, ive got to get this stupid 10 page economics paper done.
About that mod ive been working on, just so you have an idea what it is. Ive been working on it an hour or two here and there for like the past 4 months, ever since i bought conquests. It started out as just a few rule changes to make the game more fun but has grown pretty huge. I dont think civ has enough strategy so my goal is to try to add depth. So far ive added 103 new units, 40 new techs, 4 new resources, 10 new buildings which is the main area that still needs work, and extensive changes to all the unit stats. I really like it so far and went ahead and replaced the original civ rules with this so whenever i start a new game this scenario is applied. Like for example I added boomers so now the game has attack subs and specialized missle subs. So instead of relying on just the ICBMs you can park a boomer off the coast of your enemy loaded with 10 tactical nukes,
I also added chemical weapons, but its too bad theres not a "piss off all ai flag" like when you use nukes.
PS F@%$ the FCC, leave howard alone!
About that mod ive been working on, just so you have an idea what it is. Ive been working on it an hour or two here and there for like the past 4 months, ever since i bought conquests. It started out as just a few rule changes to make the game more fun but has grown pretty huge. I dont think civ has enough strategy so my goal is to try to add depth. So far ive added 103 new units, 40 new techs, 4 new resources, 10 new buildings which is the main area that still needs work, and extensive changes to all the unit stats. I really like it so far and went ahead and replaced the original civ rules with this so whenever i start a new game this scenario is applied. Like for example I added boomers so now the game has attack subs and specialized missle subs. So instead of relying on just the ICBMs you can park a boomer off the coast of your enemy loaded with 10 tactical nukes,
I also added chemical weapons, but its too bad theres not a "piss off all ai flag" like when you use nukes.PS F@%$ the FCC, leave howard alone!
El Justo
Deity
hey, i like that mod! i agree that civ3 needs more depth. once we finish this one, maybe we can team up on it. is it ancient to modern? or just modern-future?
i made those changes to the air units and playtested some w/ it as the US. let me tell ya, i was bombin' em back to the stone age
the napalm bombers are vicious w/ a ROF of 5 and bombing 25. i think we should reduce the ROFs. instead of 1-3-5 (fighter-fighter-b52/napalm), maybe 1-2-3? i also need to look at the ROF for the artillery units.
i am also in the middle of a 15 pg history paper
i made those changes to the air units and playtested some w/ it as the US. let me tell ya, i was bombin' em back to the stone age
the napalm bombers are vicious w/ a ROF of 5 and bombing 25. i think we should reduce the ROFs. instead of 1-3-5 (fighter-fighter-b52/napalm), maybe 1-2-3? i also need to look at the ROF for the artillery units. i am also in the middle of a 15 pg history paper
Osubaker
Democratic Socialist
its ancient to future
I also added 4 new specialists alchemist, banker,philosopher, and beurocrat
maybe napalm could be rof 5 but low bombing to represent good at hitting alot of infantry but not as good at destroying fortifications/tanks etc, while B52 would have maybe 2 or 3 rof but high bombard
what about giving the north vietnamese one extra movement point so they can hit and run?
I also added 4 new specialists alchemist, banker,philosopher, and beurocrat
maybe napalm could be rof 5 but low bombing to represent good at hitting alot of infantry but not as good at destroying fortifications/tanks etc, while B52 would have maybe 2 or 3 rof but high bombard
what about giving the north vietnamese one extra movement point so they can hit and run?
Osubaker
Democratic Socialist
I got sick of my paper so I was playing around with the americans a little and the american bombers can pound the commy out of communism So we should probally either make the VC more powerful or tone down the americans. I vote for VC, cuz bombing the crap out of them is just too much fun!
BTW who made the map its great! vietnam looks so realistic
So we should probally either make the VC more powerful or tone down the americans. I vote for VC, cuz bombing the crap out of them is just too much fun!BTW who made the map its great! vietnam looks so realistic
El Justo
Deity
yeah more mvmt for the N vietnamese couldn't hurt. i'll take a look at it. the bombing is cool. though that napalm .wav is a little annoying. maybe i'll look for another sound file and post it in the thread.
i also had some problems with the Escorted Worker unit. the creator forgot to put a certain .amb file into the unit folder. i think it was 'workerforestwhatever.amb' that it was looking for but couldn't find so i made the 'forest' wav. the same as the 'jungle' one. no biggie. also, the escorted worker finishes building the 'highway' in 1 turn. i think it should be higher. maybe 2 or 3 turns to complete. no?
the map was made by El Mencey and it is nice, isn't it?
btw, I finished my paper
i also had some problems with the Escorted Worker unit. the creator forgot to put a certain .amb file into the unit folder. i think it was 'workerforestwhatever.amb' that it was looking for but couldn't find
so i made the 'forest' wav. the same as the 'jungle' one. no biggie. also, the escorted worker finishes building the 'highway' in 1 turn. i think it should be higher. maybe 2 or 3 turns to complete. no?the map was made by El Mencey and it is nice, isn't it?
btw, I finished my paper
El Justo
Deity
here's the corrected Escorted Worker INI ...you guys should all DL it and replace the ini file you already have...also, Change the unit folder name to Escorted Worker (w/ the space) and the 'PRTO_' entry in the biq from "PRTO_EscortedWorker" to "PRTO_Escorted_Worker".
i also vote to make the n vietnamese units more powerful also. i'll play around with it later.
i also vote to make the n vietnamese units more powerful also. i'll play around with it later.
Luddi VII
Sheep farmer
Agreed with all of your suggestions and funny historys.Could you attach the BIQ with all the changes you have done because I'm to lazy to do it.
The mod sounds interesting.
The mod sounds interesting.
El Justo
Deity
changes for version 1.5:
changed ROFs for american air units from 1-3-5 to 1-2-3 (fighter-fighter-bombers)
added another mvmt point to each n vietnamese foot unit. NVA Infantry and SA-7 grenade launcher each has 2 mvmt now and the VC and NLF guys are 3 mvmt. this should accurately capture the hit-and-run/guerilla tactics they really used.
changed build time of 'paved highway' for Escorted Worker from 1 turn to 3.
gave the huey and cobra the 'explore' flag and altered it's mvmt costs so that it treats all terrain as roads.
i think that's it. later i'll try and find a better .wav for the Napalm Bomber. also, preplaced are all of the American airunits so that they can be playtested from turn 1. we'll remove the more advanced units later.
changed ROFs for american air units from 1-3-5 to 1-2-3 (fighter-fighter-bombers)
added another mvmt point to each n vietnamese foot unit. NVA Infantry and SA-7 grenade launcher each has 2 mvmt now and the VC and NLF guys are 3 mvmt. this should accurately capture the hit-and-run/guerilla tactics they really used.
changed build time of 'paved highway' for Escorted Worker from 1 turn to 3.
gave the huey and cobra the 'explore' flag and altered it's mvmt costs so that it treats all terrain as roads.
i think that's it. later i'll try and find a better .wav for the Napalm Bomber. also, preplaced are all of the American airunits so that they can be playtested from turn 1. we'll remove the more advanced units later.
