Science

What if you created a timer/no of turns then had a worker build the next tier live in game so there was no between turn calculation?

Make the highest tiers a priority of workers to build and the lower tiers prerequisites for the uppers.
 
What if you created a timer/no of turns then had a worker build the next tier live in game so there was no between turn calculation?

Make the highest tiers a priority of workers to build and the lower tiers prerequisites for the uppers.

That's a fantastic idea! (But .. well, your signature might be right about this one too. :p)
 
@rfxmills
Yes but if you could make that timer work based on turns the tile had been worked like Civ IV it would be even better.

@Seek
Arrrrghhh!
 
Isn't "monastery" a fairly universal, non-denominational term that's been in use since it appears on the tech tree?
I'm searching for a term to describe the type of private boarding school associated with a religious organization, where both secular and faith education take place. A monastery is a very different type of institution, with a specific religious lifestyle, and does not necessarily have an association with education.

In other words looking for a generic phrase to describe:

  • Parochial school
  • Jesuit school
  • Madrasah
  • Private catholic school
  • etc...
How about "private school" or "boarding school"?
Monasteries look too strong
It's comparable to a market:
Monastery
170 :c5production: cost
2 :c5culture:
2 :c5science:
25% :c5science:

Market
140 :c5production: cost
1:c5gold:
1:c5gold: on luxuries
20% :c5gold:
Perhaps the village science can be buffed by some policy that wide empires will want to avoid
How about the tradition finisher?
Science on villages at Writing will make that tech even more necessary to beeline to than it already is
It depends on playstyle. I typically go for happiness techs first (hooking up luxuries), followed by gold and production techs.

@AlextheGr8
The only bonus the AI gets on warlord difficulty is a small amount of :c5war: experience for military units.

@Dunkah
The pillage system is done in the game core; I don't think we can alter it much.

Unfortunately we can't have buildings affect improvements
We can, it would just take a few hours of work to set things up. :)
 
@rfxmills
Yes but if you could make that timer work based on turns the tile had been worked like Civ IV it would be even better.

Doing it on the tile might not be feasible, but doing an empire wide timer like culture bombs could be?

Every 40 turns your workers are allowed to commence one settlement upgrade.
 
Merriam-Webster for Seminary:
"a place or establishment for teaching and learning <a seminary exclusively for women>
Synonyms academe, academy, seminary
Related Words boarding school, prep, preparatory school, prep school; common school, elementary school, grammar school, high school, junior high school, kindergarten, middle school, primary school, public school, secondary school, senior high school, trade school, training school; charter school, magnet school, minischool; madrassa (or madrasa also madrassah or madrasah), Sunday school, yeshiva (also yeshivah)"
 
I'm searching for a general term to describe a private school (often a boarding school) connected to a religious organization, where both secular and faith-based education takes place. It's been a common form of educational facility from ancient items to the modern day. A monastery is a different type of institution, with a specific religious lifestyle, and does not necessarily have any association with education. Maybe "private school"?

I associate Monasteries with education, whether Buddhist or Catholic - what about "Monastic School"? Seminary could work too.
 
Monasteries as I understand them, train monks; they are not commonly open to educate the public, although some may operate separate schools in some places. Seminaries (at least where I came from, in Italy) trained young men to be good and well-educated Catholics, some, but not all, of whom went on to be further educated for the priesthood. I think Seminary and Monastery are good candidates for what we are looking for, but I favor Seminary - it is not exclusively associated with Catholicism.
 
Monasteries as I understand them, train monks; they are not commonly open to educate the public, although some may operate separate schools in some places. Seminaries (at least where I came from, in Italy) trained young men to be good and well-educated Catholics, some, but not all, of whom went on to be further educated for the priesthood. I think Seminary and Monastery are good candidates for what we are looking for, but I favor Seminary - it is not exclusively associated with Catholicism.

I should have phrased my last post differently - I associate Monasteries with deep study and inventiveness through meditation, not "education" per se, and certainly not public eductation. But again, Seminary is fine.
 
I'm searching for a general term to describe a private school (often a boarding school) connected to a religious organization, where both secular and faith-based education takes place. It's been a common form of educational facility from ancient items to the modern day. A monastery is a different type of institution, with a specific religious lifestyle, and does not necessarily have any association with education. Maybe "private school"?

There were no schools back then. The aristocracy and random individuals were tutored, and that was about it.

Monasteries don't necessarily apply to education, but they were as close as it came at the time: monks famously kept learning alive in the Dark Ages, and Buddhist monasteries also served as centers of philosophy (which was tightly linked to science at the time). However, monasteries have no connection to a multiplier. For the sake of realism, I would put monasteries at Education, and move Universities back at Acoustics, etc.

(A seminary is a school that creates clergy. They didn't exist until later, either.)
 
I'd keep temples and monasteries as they are, maybe add +2:c5science: to them monasteries at Theocracy. They would train the monks to read and write if not the whole populace (EDIT: plus Txurce's points).

Then add a new science/education building in between library and university... Academy.

If you wanted to break an existing culture building into a combined science and culture building I think museum is a better fit.
 
If I remember my history right, during the 500-1500 period classical European knowledge was primarily maintained by Roman and Arabic scholars in Constantinople and Baghdad. The concept of monks keeping the flame of knowledge burning during the period is a somewhat romanticized narrative of European storytellers. Much of our knowledge of classical European history traveled through the Eastern Roman Empire to Baghdad, then Spain, and was re-introduced to western Europe during the Spanish Reconquista. :)
 
@Txurce
During the 500-1500 period knowledge was primarily maintained by Roman and Arabic scholars in Constantinople and Baghdad (respectively), not European monks. The concept of monks keeping the flame of knowledge burning through the "dark ages" is a somewhat romanticized narrative created by storytellers. It was not the primary center of world learning during the time period. Most of our knowledge of classical European history traveled to Baghdad, then Spain, and was re-introduced to western Europe during the Spanish Reconquista.

I never said European monasteries were "the primary center of world learning during the time period." I said they kept learning alive in the Dark Ages. In fact, the discovery of a Roman manuscript in a monastery by a monk is one of the prime catalysts of the Renaissance - which is when science got back on the clock in Europe.

Knowledge was not maintained by the Roman and Arabic scholars at the time: it was advanced by them, as this was their Renaissance. You could also add the Chinese in this period, who blew everybody else out of the water. (Literally.)

All these scholars - Chinese, Arabic, and lastly European - were either at a court, a library, or some sort of monastery. Courts were probably number one, which is why I suggested "salon" yesterday.
 
From Wikipedia's entry on Science in the Middle Ages:
De-urbanization reduced the scope of education and by the 6th century teaching and learning moved to monastic and cathedral schools, with the center of education being the study of the Bible. Education of the laity survived modestly in Italy, Spain, and the southern part of Gaul, where Roman influences were most long-lasting.
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The leading scholars of the early [Middle Age] centuries were clergymen
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Around 800, Charles the Great, assisted by the English monk Alcuin of York, undertook what has become known as the Carolingian Renaissance, a program of cultural revitalization and educational reform ... From the year 787 on, decrees were issued recommending the restoration of old schools and the founding of new ones throughout the empire. Institutionally, these new schools were either under the responsibility of a monastery, a cathedral or a noble court.
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Beginning around the year 1050, European scholars built upon their existing knowledge by seeking out ancient learning in Greek and Arabic texts which they translated into Latin. They encountered a wide range of classical Greek texts, some of which had earlier been translated into Arabic, accompanied by commentaries and independent works by Islamic thinkers. ... This period also saw the birth of medieval universities, which benefited materially from the translated texts and provided a new infrastructure for scientific communities.
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The 15th century saw the beginning of the cultural movement of the Renaissance. The rediscovery of Greek scientific texts, both ancient and medieval, was accelerated as the Byzantine Empire fell to the Ottoman Turks and many Byzantine scholars sought refuge in the West, particularly Italy. Also, the invention of printing was to have great effect on European society: the facilitated dissemination of the printed word democratized learning and allowed a faster propagation of new ideas.

From this, I think Monastery or Monastic School works well (though Txurce and pthmix are right, a flat bonus would be more fitting), Universities seem to be at an appropriate place and science on villages should unlock at Printing Press.

Edit: I really think this last (village science at PP) would balance the proposal well. It is far more historically accurate and would prevent messing too much with the early-game science balance. It would make for an interesting transition in the mid-game away from pop-based science to terrain-based science, giving incentive to expansion and land-grabs which seems historically accurate in my mind as well for the time period.
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One unrelated idea that came to me while reading this is that Oxford could have a Porcelain Tower effect (the wonder would probably have to change) representing the more widespread dissemination of knowledge among civilizations as the university system arose. This would benefit peaceful and tall empires in a good way.
 
Just saw your edits above.:)

It's comparable to a market:

Monastery
170 cost
2
2
25%

Market
140 cost
1
1 on luxuries
20%

Yes, but the Market doesn't have the Bank unlocked one tech later.

How about the tradition finisher?

I was thinking that, but rejected it because Trad is quite powerful in conjunction with Lib for wide empires. I considered Freedom as well, but in either case I think we'd have to institute SP tree exclusion for that method to work right. A high-tier building would be much better if you're willing to code it (great to hear it's feasible!) - the only reason I suggested a policy is because I was under the impression you couldn't create such an effect for a building.

It depends on playstyle. I typically go for happiness policies first (hooking up luxuries), followed by gold and production policies.

I assume you mean techs here. Writing and thus science speeds acquisition of the other techs enough that it is often my second or third tech and fourth or fifth if I really put it off. I infer from this that you often REX in the early game; Writing will become a priority for REXing empires as well since it'll drastically increase science from villages, whereas in the current setup libraries take too long to build for such an empire to prioritize Writing.
 
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